US Politics Thread

[Federberg]

Big win for Biden for sure. Is it enough to turn things around on Super Tuesday? I think others like Bloomberg and Buttigieg would have to step out for anyone to have a chance against Sanders, so I'm not holding out much hope. But I imagine if Biden is close to Sanders at the end of Super Tuesday then he'll probably sneak the nomination. Still looks like a mess to me

 

[Moxie]

Big win for Biden for sure. Is it enough to turn things around on Super Tuesday? I think others like Bloomberg and Buttigieg would have to step out for anyone to have a chance against Sanders, so I'm not holding out much hope. But I imagine if Biden is close to Sanders at the end of Super Tuesday then he'll probably sneak the nomination. Still looks like a mess to me

This is the first big state to vote, Biden won by a landslide, and you still think Sanders has this all but wrapped up. 4 States have voted. You may remember that the US has 50 of them. I'm not sure clear as to what would be less of a "mess" to you.

 

[Federberg]

This is the first big state to vote, Biden won by a landslide, and you still think Sanders has this all but wrapped up. 4 States have voted. You may remember that the US has 50 of them. I'm not sure clear as to what would be less of a "mess" to you.

the problem is that Super Tuesday is so close. Biden was almost out of money. I'm not sure how much of a presence he's had to date in Super Tuesday States. It's literally down to informed primary voters to make their minds up as he's not really been able to build a case for himself. On that basis I'm guessing that Sanders has a serious advantage over him. Worse still Bloomberg is most likely to take votes away from Biden and he really has been active in these Super Tuesday States. Am I wrong? Because from where I'm sitting this SC vote casts doubt on Sanders but doesn't do a lick about the fact that he's had the resources to do his best on Tuesday

 

[Moxie]

the problem is that Super Tuesday is so close. Biden was almost out of money. I'm not sure how much of a presence he's had to date in Super Tuesday States. It's literally down to informed primary voters to make their minds up as he's not really been able to build a case for himself. On that basis I'm guessing that Sanders has a serious advantage over him. Worse still Bloomberg is most likely to take votes away from Biden and he really has been active in these Super Tuesday States. Am I wrong? Because from where I'm sitting this SC vote casts doubt on Sanders but doesn't do a lick about the fact that he's had the resources to do his best on Tuesday

I guess you didn't hear that Biden got such an influx of cash last night that he's viable to the end, from what I heard. Here's what I'm thinking, and it follows your own Sander-panic...that Biden's big win IS partly that. And if people are worried about Bernie, they might start coalescing (back) around Biden. Remember he led in most polls before the voting started. Yes, name recognition, I know, but still.

 

[Federberg]

I guess you didn't hear that Biden got such an influx of cash last night that he's viable to the end, from what I heard. Here's what I'm thinking, and it follows your own Sander-panic...that Biden's big win IS partly that. And if people are worried about Bernie, they might start coalescing (back) around Biden. Remember he led in most polls before the voting started. Yes, name recognition, I know, but still.

wow! where did the funds come from? A super pac?

 

[Moxie]

wow! where did the funds come from? A super pac?

Dunno. Just heard them say it on the news.

 

[tented]

None of that will matter much when Trump can apportion blame.

we shall see. I'm not sure there's a template for what could happen here. We're in unknown territory. This is peoples lives we're talking about here. They might blind themselves to the lies when it doesn't affect their own lives, it's an entirely different thing when it's personal

That’s why VP Pence is now in charge of handling this. Trump will blame him entirely if/when things go sideways.

 

[tented]

wow! where did the funds come from? A super pac?

Five million, according to Biden. Not enough to go that far, but it’s a beginning.

 

[the AntiPusher]

Five million, according to Biden. Not enough to go that far, but it’s a beginning.

I wonder if Bloomberg will make the offer to bank role Biden's campaign like he did to Bernie last week.

 

[tented]

I wonder if Bloomberg will make the offer to bank role Biden's campaign like he did to Bernie last week.

Bloomberg has said he will support the nominee, no matter who it is.

 

[GameSetAndMath]

Big win for Biden for sure. Is it enough to turn things around on Super Tuesday? I think others like Bloomberg and Buttigieg would have to step out for anyone to have a chance against Sanders, so I'm not holding out much hope. But I imagine if Biden is close to Sanders at the end of Super Tuesday then he'll probably sneak the nomination. Still looks like a mess to me

As long as Sanders does not get nominated on the first ballot and if anyone of the moderates Biden/Amy/Pete are reasonably close behind, the establishment will nominate them using the superdelegates. But, if it is something like Sanders 45% and the nearest next candidate is 25% and below, it would be hard for the establishment to deny Sanders again.

According to current odds, there is a 52% chance that no candidate wins a majority in the first ballot.

 

[Federberg]

Buttigieg is dropping out. All of a sudden it's looking like those who are taking votes away from Biden are dropping out. I see the strong silent hands of Obama and Pelosi working in the dark. I don't see Warren dropping out until she loses Massachusetts so she might actually hurt Bernie. Amazing how this thing seems to be flipping around all of a sudden

 

[GameSetAndMath]

Buttigieg is dropping out. All of a sudden it's looking like those who are taking votes away from Biden are dropping out. I see the strong silent hands of Obama and Pelosi working in the dark. I don't see Warren dropping out until she loses Massachusetts so she might actually hurt Bernie. Amazing how this thing seems to be flipping around all of a sudden

Both Massachusetts and Minnesota are part of super Tuesday primary states. I expect both Warren and Klobuchar to drop out within a couple of days after the results of super Tuesday are out.

Also, In Massachusetts, Bernie is leading Warren. That loss will sting to Warren.

 

[Murat Baslamisli]

I think Warren will start to look for the VP possibilities very soon.

 

[Moxie]

Buttigieg is dropping out. All of a sudden it's looking like those who are taking votes away from Biden are dropping out. I see the strong silent hands of Obama and Pelosi working in the dark. I don't see Warren dropping out until she loses Massachusetts so she might actually hurt Bernie. Amazing how this thing seems to be flipping around all of a sudden

You're too paranoid. There's an argument that the electorate sees theses things happening and votes accordingly, too. Jeepers.

 

[Federberg]

You're too paranoid. There's an argument that the electorate sees theses things happening and votes accordingly, too. Jeepers.

not sure how you get to paranoid Cynical perhaps. But there's an obvious reason for it. All of these guys can still argue that they have a mathematical chance. No one is out of it. They would most probably have had to be convinced about the greater good. Just my take

 

[tented]

You're too paranoid. There's an argument that the electorate sees theses things happening and votes accordingly, too. Jeepers.

I agree with @Federberg. It’s an open secret that Obama and Pelosi (among others) are talking to the various campaigns, trying to steer things in what they perceive to be the right direction(s).

 

[brokenshoelace]

If the "right direction" is Biden, then Obama, who on top of being overrated (yes. I realize I'm not talking about a tennis player), is an idiot. But I guess sticking up for his buddy is more important than the country.

 

[tented]

If the "right direction" is Biden, then Obama, who on top of being overrated (yes. I realize I'm not talking about a tennis player), is an idiot. But I guess sticking up for his buddy is more important than the country.

If you had asked him six months or so ago, I don’t think Obama would have picked Biden, otherwise he would have endorsed him when Biden announced he was running again. I simply think Obama is trying to make the best of the current situation.

 

[brokenshoelace]

If you had asked him six months or so ago, I don’t think Obama would have picked Biden, otherwise he would have endorsed him when Biden announced he was running again. I simply think Obama is trying to make the best of the current situation.

Yeah well if Biden is the best out of the current situation then the democrats are screwed.