US Politics Thread

[Moxie]

he's setting up the lines of the 2020 debate. It's fascinating, he's going all out on race. He basically seems to be saying that enough white Americans will vote for his racist beliefs to carry him over the line. In a way I admire the clarity of his thinking, he absolutely, doesn't believe that he has a chance if he moderates his language towards inclusiveness. To me, it implies that he is fully aware that he is not competent and his administration is amateurish at best. He has to go the route of polemic, it's his only chance and he knows it. I have a feeling it might be a close run thing, it's fascinating to see that African Americans continue to see Biden as the safest bet to defeat this. I can understand why!

Since you posted this, he has doubled-down on racist statements. Women in congress who disagree with him should "go home." Elijah Cummings of MD disagrees with him, and Baltimore is a vermin-infested place where no one would want to live. He means no "white people." He uses the word "infested" or "infestation" when he refers to black and brown people a lot. What do you do with an infestation? Exterminate. It's all he's got. And Pelosi gets in trouble in Congress for calling him a racist. They really need to change that proscription in Congress. If he's a racist, and he is, that should be sanctionable by Congress. It's not a "personal attack."

 

[Federberg]

Since you posted this, he has doubled-down on racist statements. Women in congress who disagree with him should "go home." Elijah Cummings of MD disagrees with him, and Baltimore is a vermin-infested place where no one would want to live. He means no "white people." He uses the word "infested" or "infestation" when he refers to black and brown people a lot. What do you do with an infestation? Exterminate. It's all he's got. And Pelosi gets in trouble in Congress for calling him a racist. They really need to change that proscription in Congress. If he's a racist, and he is, that should be sanctionable by Congress. It's not a "personal attack."

yes I'm aware of that. That's why I posted my most recent comment yesterday I'm really interested to hear from posters like Cali to find out if they're still on the Trump train despite his overt use of racialised politics as a wedge issue

 

[Moxie]

yes I'm aware of that. That's why I posted my most recent comment yesterday I'm really interested to hear from posters like Cali to find out if they're still on the Trump train despite his overt use of racialised politics as a wedge issue

Some people prefer to see only what they want to. For my friends in Baltimore:

https://crooksandliars.com/cltv/201...nGto9LSxG12BGoBDiGDVnq0l3bd5EzRk-LN0DP0xEtUfk

 

[GameSetAndMath]

Personally I'm a bit down on conspiracy theories but this one's a doozy on what the Epstein thing could be...

This is really really becoming mysterious. Especially, the power of attorney by a young healthy Vexner to Eppstein.

Also, it is interesting to note that so may characters DJT, Vexner, Epstein, Senior Barr, Junior Barr, Acousta and Dershowitz all form a tangled web here.

 

[Murat Baslamisli]

After watching yet another debate of the current crop of Dems, I would like to congratulate the Reps on another 4 years in the WH. Man, is it really that tough to produce a center left candidate for the Dems? The further left they go, easier it gets for Trump.

 

[GameSetAndMath]

After watching yet another debate of the current crop of Dems, I would like to congratulate the Reps on another 4 years in the WH. Man, is it really that tough to produce a center left candidate for the Dems? The further left they go, easier it gets for Trump.

I find the notions "totally decriminalizing border crossings", "totally free college education for all" and "medicare for all (with removal of work place health insurance)" to be highly unrealistic.

 

[JesuslookslikeBorg]

usa politics is chock-a-block full of folk way over 70yrs old.

its like the top of men's tennis, people wandering how long can they all last.

 

[Federberg]

These Dem Presidential candidates... good grief. They know how to kill their own, but are too spineless to take on the orange buffoon. It's so depressing! I was NOT impressed with Harris yesterday. It feels increasingly like Warren will win the whole shebang. I'm not convinced Biden can sustain his lead all the way to next year

 

[GameSetAndMath]

These Dem Presidential candidates... good grief. They know how to kill their own, but are too spineless to take on the orange buffoon. It's so depressing! I was NOT impressed with Harris yesterday. It feels increasingly like Warren will win the whole shebang. I'm not convinced Biden can sustain his lead all the way to next year

The trouble is this large field looks very much like the large field of republicans in the last election, way high in quantity and way less in quality. Not particularly impressed by any single candidate, though impressed by some isolated statements by some of them in the debate.

---Liked Amy saying he would stand up to NRA

--- Delany's argument about tax rates for money earned through investing and work. No reason why investment income should be taxed at a lower rate than income tax on salary obtained through work. In fact, raising that tax is a better way of increasing revenue instead of simply directly taxing a rich person for just being rich (as Warren wants to do).

 

[Federberg]

The trouble is this large field looks very much like the large field of republicans in the last election, way high in quantity and way less in quality. Not particularly impressed by any single candidate, though impressed by some isolated statements by some of them in the debate.

---Liked Amy saying he would stand up to NRA

--- Delany's argument about tax rates for money earned through investing and work. No reason why investment income should be taxed at a lower rate than income tax on salary obtained through work. In fact, raising that tax is a better way of increasing revenue instead of simply directly taxing a rich person for just being rich (as Warren wants to do).

Their inability to come up with a coherent anti-Trump stance is just amazing to me.


Wtf is going on in Texas. 3 GOP Congressmen have announced their retirement in the last few weeks, including Will Heard who's actually a decent guy. Someone should tell Beto to get out of the Presidential and take on Cornyn!

 

[Federberg]

Fascinating watching these shooting tragedies from afar. White men commit mass murder and the President tries to infatilise them, talking about the dangers of video games Remember when far fewer people died in an Islamic terrorist attack? Trump went on and on and on about it....

And then I saw this....

 

[brokenshoelace]

White supremacy is literally the biggest threat facing America.

 

[DarthFed]

Fascinating watching these shooting tragedies from afar. White men commit mass murder and the President tries to infatilise them, talking about the dangers of video games Remember when far fewer people died in an Islamic terrorist attack? Trump went on and on and on about it....

And then I saw this....

Saturday just highlighted the two-headed monster in the States. A president that enables white supremacy and the copycat syndrome that is the main understated factor in the mass shootings.

There was a huge uptick in school shootings after Columbine and now there are just endless amounts overall with no end in sight. Every nut case has these mass shootings as examples to live up to instead of just either dealing with their depressed, fucked up lives or committing suicide.

 

[Murat Baslamisli]

I may be wrong but whatever little I saw online, the Ohio shooter was a far left nut and the Walmart dude was a far right nut. Of course most people killed were probably , and I am just guessing here, middle of the road, everyday folks. Amazing...

 

[Federberg]

I may be wrong but whatever little I saw online, the Ohio shooter was a far left nut and the Walmart dude was a far right nut. Of course most people killed were probably , and I am just guessing here, middle of the road, everyday folks. Amazing...

yes that seems to be what I've seen from CNN.,.,.

 

[DarthFed]

I may be wrong but whatever little I saw online, the Ohio shooter was a far left nut and the Walmart dude was a far right nut. Of course most people killed were probably , and I am just guessing here, middle of the road, everyday folks. Amazing...

Most killed were minorities but I think only El Paso was a hate crime. The Dayton shooter is almost certainly just a copy cat random nut.

 

[calitennis127]

Since you posted this, he has doubled-down on racist statements. Women in congress who disagree with him should "go home."

Moxie, this is typical of your airheaded, whistling-down-the-street-in-total-oblivion nature. Trump was sloppy in not checking what the actual origins of all 4 of those venerable "women in Congress" were, but there was some truth in what he was trying to get at, even if he did so very carelessly. Omar in particular is a political moron (not to mention a fraud who very likely married her biological brother for tax reasons). Tlaib is an imbalanced doofus, full of rage and hate, and totally ignorant of the world. Ocasio seems like a fairly likable person, but politically and historically she is totally ignorant.

That said, where Trump's comments were completely stupid is that these "women of color" have identical views to most white people in the major suburbs and major cities, especially those under the age of 35. These 4 Bernie clones are simply the voice of millennials, and, by the way, white leftists in America have far more power and influence in society than minority leftists do. So why doesn't Trump tell them to go home? Ocasio grew up in a wealthy 90% white town near NYC called Yorktown Heights where she picked up her ideas in adolescence. Trump should direct his wrath at white leftists, not these 4 figureheads.

 

[calitennis127]

Most killed were minorities but I think only El Paso was a hate crime. The Dayton shooter is almost certainly just a copy cat random nut.

The Dayton shooter was also an Elizabeth Warren fan who made it clear on social media that he loved Antifa, hated Trump, and wanted "socialism" in America. It doesn't look like any of your news sources reported that so here you go. Screenshots included:

https://www.redstate.com/bonchie/2019/08/04/dayton-shooter-leftist-elizabeth-warren-fan/

 

[calitennis127]

White supremacy is literally the biggest threat facing America.

Exactly dude, exactly. Not the drug epidemic that has taken hundreds of thousands of lives, not the widespread family breakdown that leaves millions of kids of all races in screwed-up home environments, not the immense violence in urban areas (over 50 shootings in Chicago this past weekend alone). Nope. None of that is more important than once every 5 years some tool deifying the white race and killing people in some naïve belief that he is going to save whiteness by shooting up a public space.

 

[calitennis127]

Saturday just highlighted the two-headed monster in the States. A president that enables white supremacy .

You do know that the El Paso shooter said in his manifesto that his ideas predated the Trump campaign, right?

Also, when Obama was president in 2014 and Dylan Roof shot up the black church in South Carolina, I don't remember people saying that Obama was enabling white supremacy.

Trump had absolutely nothing to do with this shooting. Nothing. Zilch. Blaming him is ridiculous. It would be like blaming Obama for the cop shootings in Louisiana and Dallas because he criticized police.