US Open [Men] - Grand Slam

[Ricardo]

Sorry but Federer does whack the ball not as much as Djokovic but he also has sometimes a temper. I just want to make sure that you don’t put Djokovic and Federer in the same category as Nadal who is a true class act and professional. Thank you.

Ok Nadal never did anything wrong, he was raised good no dispute.

 

[Ricardo]

That is what i try to say, just suboptimal because of good portion of disappointment and anger.
Question is why, and the answer is not nice.

Why?

And why didn’t Henmen just get a warning? Shouldn’t Wimbledon have favoritisms for their countryman?

Keep bending, I will call you out.

 

[Bonaca]

Dumb opinion. Is there any evidence that even implies that Nadal or Fed would get away with it for doing the same? For starters they don’t even whack the ball so what’s the chance of that? Now, this is subject to interpretation how? It’s hit in the throat, not foot, not hip, not arm. Tell us why you think it was applied wrong.

They have another stand than Novak, so difficult to understand genius?
Federer and Nadal plays the act like they want, they are not uncomfortable, dont try to change anything. Puppets.
Look at how the greek idiot Kyrgios is treated?

 

[El Dude]

Dumb opinion. Is there any evidence that even implies that Nadal or Fed would get away with it for doing the same? For starters they don’t even whack the ball so what’s the chance of that? Now, this is subject to interpretation how? It’s hit in the throat, not foot, not hip, not arm. Tell us why you think it was applied wrong.

It is a judgment call whether or not it follows the Point Penalty Schedule schema or results in immediate default. Every situation is different, therefore requires interpretation of the rules and judgment. I'm not saying it was wrong, just that--as Novak said in the video above--the umpires had a variety of options to choose from. They chose default. I'm not sure if they would have chosen the same for Roger or Rafa, but there's no way to know for sure.

 

[calitennis127]

It's not true that Djokovic has "never done anything like this." He's hit the ball and thrown the racquet in anger often, and even prior in yesterday's match. He barely missed hitting a lines person at RG with his racquet. Are you seriously saying that he should get a warning the few first times he actually hits a person, and then someday get defaulted for it?

In this case, yes. And I would be saying the same for Nadal or anyone else. I don’t think the penalty fit the crime. You could penalize a player a game or even a set, but to just send someone packing from the tournament entirely for a first-time offense strikes me as excessive. Again, I find it funny just how heartlessly you want this rule applied (even though it doesn’t explicitly say that a disqualification is mandatory in this case), yet when it comes to the federal offense (a felony, actually) of entering the United States illegally, you sneer at anyone who says “the law is the law.”

There are 20 million-plus people in the country illegally (committing a felony by doing so) and many are faking Social Security numbers, and yet you say that any enforcement of the laws is inhumane and racist. But then Djokovic accidentally pokes a linesperson and here you are saying “welp, sorry, the rules are the rules.” All of a sudden you’ve become a hardline law-and-order person. What changed in recent days? Oh, I know. You like the fact that this law enforcement sent Djokovic packing. You have a slight agenda in this case, and it shows quite clearly.

As for Djokovic’s past, it is a fair point that he has shown a serious temper on the court, but the ATP should have issued more warnings to him if they were that offended by his conduct. The bottom line is that he had not hit a linesperson before in thousands of matches. In that sense, this had never happened before. I think there should be a penalty for this but instant disqualification is excessive in my view. Giving the opponent a set, warning the player, and fining the player seems sufficient to me for a first-time offense. But I see you have become a big law-and-order person in the last 24 hours, so my pleas are probably falling on deaf ears.

 

[Nadalfan2013]

If Djokovic would have punched that lady in the face Bonaca, Cali and some of the other Djokovic fans would have still defended his act or found excuses. So don’t waste your time guys trying to debate this they are hopeless. Now let’s just enjoy the rest of the tournament and hopefully we will get to see some great tennis without regretful incidents.

 

[El Dude]

If Djokovic would have punched that lady in the face Bonaca, Cali and some of the other Djokovic fans would have still defended his act or found excuses. So don’t waste your time guys trying to debate this they are hopeless. Now let’s just enjoy the rest of the tournament and hopefully we will get to see some great tennis without regretful incidents.

Nothing like possibly the most player-biased person on this board accusing others of being biased.

 

[calitennis127]

Sorry but Federer does whack the ball not as much as Djokovic but he also has sometimes a temper. I just want to make sure that you don’t put Djokovic and Federer in the same category as Nadal who is a true class act and professional. Thank you.

Please stop trying to make Nadal out to be perfect or a saint. His medical time-outs were clear gamesmanship and the ass-picking was unpleasant to say the least. I doubt you would have been okay with Djokovic picking his ass repeatedly, let alone called that “classy.”

For the record, I do think Nadal generally comports himself well. But he is far from perfect, and Djokovic is nowhere near as malevolent as you are making him out to be.

 

[calitennis127]

Dumb opinion. Is there any evidence that even implies that Nadal or Fed would get away with it for doing the same? For starters they don’t even whack the ball so what’s the chance of that? Now, this is subject to interpretation how? It’s hit in the throat, not foot, not hip, not arm. Tell us why you think it was applied wrong.

Ricardo where in the rules does it say that this action mandated instant disqualification? You keep repeating that but without evidence. There is nothing that explicitly says a player must be disqualified for this act.

 

[El Dude]

Ricardo where in the rules does it say that this action mandated instant disqualification? You keep repeating that but without evidence. There is nothing that explicitly says a player must be disqualified for this act.

Section I, Line B of Ricardo's Version of All Things Tennis:

"In the case where a forum poster disagrees with Ricardo's view, they shall be insulted and attacked."

Section I, Line F:

"Any and all differences of opinion from Ricardo's screed shall be deemed idiotic and interpreted as stupidity."

 

[tented]

For those in the US: ESPN is showing the US Open right now, not ESPN2 (Which is the channel listed on their schedule).

 

[Moxie]

It is a judgment call whether or not it follows the Point Penalty Schedule schema or results in immediate default. Every situation is different, therefore requires interpretation of the rules and judgment. I'm not saying it was wrong, just that--as Novak said in the video above--the umpires had a variety of options to choose from. They chose default. I'm not sure if they would have chosen the same for Roger or Rafa, but there's no way to know for sure.

If she hadn't been hurt, but how was that ever going to look if a lines person gets injured due to negligent behavior on the part of the player, who happens to be #1 in the world and the favorite to win, and yet that player stays in the tournament?

 

[Moxie]

For those in the US: ESPN is showing the US Open right now, not ESPN2 (Which is the channel listed on their schedule).

Thank you for this. I was so confused I actually reset my modem.

 

[calitennis127]

If she hadn't been hurt, but how was that ever going to look if a lines person gets injured due to negligent behavior on the part of the player, who happens to be #1 in the world and the favorite to win, and yet that player stays in the tournament?

Mrs. Law-and-Order, where does it explicitly say in the rules that this action mandated instant disqualification? Please tell me.

 

[tented]

Thank you for this. I was so confused I actually reset my modem.

What? I can’t hear read you. Try resetting your modem.

 

[Nadalfan2013]

I have no interest in talking about Nadal in this thread any further because he is not entered in the tournament and I am especially not interested in comparing “picking his butt” with violent acts like smashing balls and breaking rackets. Now if some of you have no more interest in the rest of the tournament now that Djokovic has been disqualified then you may leave the thread.

Stop defending such reckless acts and finding excuses for him. In fact you should be thankful that the previous ball that Djokovic hit at 100 mph on the side of the court didn’t hit a cameraman because he could have injured that person much more seriously and been disqualified for the rest of the year. So be thankful, really.

 

[tented]

This may be off-topic, but de Minaur and Pospisil are playing. It’s 2-2.

 

[Bonaca]

If Djokovic would have punched that lady in the face Bonaca, Cali and some of the other Djokovic fans would have still defended his act or found excuses. So don’t waste your time guys trying to debate this they are hopeless. Now let’s just enjoy the rest of the tournament and hopefully we will get to see some great tennis without regretful incidents.

No i would not, that isnt comparable at all.

 

[tented]

Pospisil given a time warning before serving the first point at 4-4. Harsh.

 

[calitennis127]

I have no interest in talking about Nadal in this thread any further because he is not entered in the tournament and I am especially not interested in comparing “picking his butt” with violent acts like smashing balls and breaking rackets. Now if some of you have no more interest in the rest of the tournament now that Djokovic has been disqualified then you may leave the thread.

Stop defending such reckless acts and finding excuses for him. In fact you should be thankful that the previous ball that Djokovic hit at 100 mph on the side of the court didn’t hit a cameraman because he could have injured that person much more seriously and been disqualified for the rest of the year. So be thankful, really.

Djokovic knew there was no one around when he hit the ball 100 mph you idiot. That would be like saying “when Federer hit the ball into the stands out of frustration, there could have been someone hovering above the court out the side of a helicopter and it could have hit him.” Stop making Djokovic out to be a totally unhinged lunatic when he isn’t. Yes, he has somewhat of a temper but you are exaggerating ridiculously because you dislike him and don’t want him to catch Nadal. That’s all this is about for you.