The Ultimate FEDAL (Wars) Thread

[brokenshoelace]

(IF that was an actual knee issue and not something else).

This is very underrated as a "proof Fed fans can be borderline insane that doesn't get brought up nearly enough" kind of thing.

 

[brokenshoelace]

You should see what Laver just said about the grass and how much Rafa likely would've struggled on it. Under proper conditions the Wimbledon "score" would likely be Roger 10+ to Nadal's 0

This is the best. So Laver's quote essentially describes grass as an unpredictable mess with uneven bounces and portrays it as a bit of a struggle for players to adjust to, but THOSE were "proper" conditions. Yeah, ok.

Yeah, Nadal would certainly have struggled, but to claim those were "proper" conditions, and that grass court tennis was somehow more fun in the past is nonsense. .

Enjoy watching Sampras vs. Goran.

 

[monfed]

This is the best. So Laver's quote essentially describes grass as an unpredictable mess with uneven bounces and portrays it as a bit of a struggle for players to adjust to, but THOSE were "proper" conditions. Yeah, ok.

Yeah, Nadal would certainly have struggled, but to claim those were "proper" conditions, and that grass court tennis was somehow more fun in the past is nonsense. .

Enjoy watching Sampras vs. Goran.

Why do you have to take the extreme example of Goran vs Pete to prove that traditional grass tennis sucks? We can also say that fakervic vs dull on grass or dull vs mugray is an abomination. Or how about mugray vs fakervic? worst of the worst?

But look you're right we thoroughly enjoyed Fed Sampras, rafter goran, Becker edberg, Sampras krajicek matches. Way more entertaining than the 50 shot pushfests on green clay today.

 

[DarthFed]

This is the best. So Laver's quote essentially describes grass as an unpredictable mess with uneven bounces and portrays it as a bit of a struggle for players to adjust to, but THOSE were "proper" conditions. Yeah, ok.

Yeah, Nadal would certainly have struggled, but to claim those were "proper" conditions, and that grass court tennis was somehow more fun in the past is nonsense. .

Enjoy watching Sampras vs. Goran.

I did enjoy watching it back then. Actual surface variety, what a terrible thing...Not sure if you ever tune into Halle but guess what, everyone still plays from the baseline today even on lightning fast/slick grass.

It's just that the current mess at Wimbledon favors certain baseliners more, ie ones that need way more time and a much higher bounce. Laver basically said Nadal would suck on grass of his day and yes it is supposed to be difficult to adjust to after clay.

 

[brokenshoelace]

I did enjoy watching it back then. Actual surface variety, what a terrible thing...Not sure if you ever tune into Halle but guess what, everyone still plays from the baseline today even on lightning fast/slick grass.

It's just that the current mess at Wimbledon favors certain baseliners more, ie ones that need way more time and a much higher bounce. Laver basically said Nadal would suck on grass of his day and yes it is supposed to be difficult to adjust to after clay.

I mean, Nadal sucks on current grass now, so yeah, it's not hard to envision he would have struggled on old grass even if he's playing at his 06-11 grass level.

 

[GameSetAndMath]

 

[Moxie]

It still doesn't off-set that pathetic RG '08 final. 4 games? Total? But I understand why you try.

 

[Jelenafan]

Nor does it negate this unique scenario in their rivalry:

https://www.google.com/search?rlz=1...j30i10j33i21.f5LWeM2p8ew#imgrc=bmv7dZQcAS4BLM:

 

[Front242]

Nor does it negate this unique scenario in their rivalry:

https://www.google.com/search?rlz=1...j30i10j33i21.f5LWeM2p8ew#imgrc=bmv7dZQcAS4BLM:

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Perfectly acceptable to show emotion like that after losing to an obvious doper (no fatigue whatsoever after that crazy match against Verdasco), although it should have been a roar of anger really over that. I'd rather see tears shed than going around 24/7 with my hands smelling of shit from picking my ass personally.

 

[Moxie]

Perfectly acceptable to show emotion like that after losing to an obviously superior player.

There, I fixed it for you. You're welcome.

 

[DarthFed]

There, I fixed it for you. You're welcome.

Yeah C-dal was obviously superior? Given how terrible Roger was that match and the scar tissue from the Wimbledon 08 debacle that match shouldn't have gone 5. It is pathetic that Roger handed C-dal his only AO title.

 

[Moxie]

Yeah C-dal was obviously superior? Given how terrible Roger was that match and the scar tissue from the Wimbledon 08 debacle that match shouldn't have gone 5. It is pathetic that Roger handed C-dal his only AO title.

It's pathetic that Nadal handed Wawrinka his.

 

[Moxie]

Perfectly acceptable to show emotion like that after losing to an obvious doper (no fatigue whatsoever after that crazy match against Verdasco), although it should have been a roar of anger really over that.

I have told you that every time you make these unfounded doping allegations, I'm going to refer people to the thread where it was actually discussed, and in which you prove that you not only can't back them up, you have no real good counter to an alternative to your theories, and that you hold double standards where most other players are concerned. https://www.tennisfrontier.com/tennisforum/threads/murray-calls-for-dope-testing-reform.6138/page-4

 

[Front242]

I have told you that every time you make these unfounded doping allegations, I'm going to refer people to the thread where it was actually discussed, and in which you prove that you not only can't back them up, you have no real good counter to an alternative to your theories, and that you hold double standards where most other players are concerned. https://www.tennisfrontier.com/tennisforum/threads/murray-calls-for-dope-testing-reform.6138/page-4

Good for you. You can't prove he ISN'T a doper also but, since you're reposting stuff, so am I. Hey everyone, my name is Rafa and I never, ever doped, not even once. Kind of a shame I now look like shit but used to look like this. Not bad for a non doper huh? I supposedly lost all this weight to protect my knees but apparently I'm still the same weight. Go figure! Anyway, enough about me and how I look now, which again is shit but, hey, I once used to look like this and, btw, did I tell you I never go to the gym or lift weights? Pretty amazing huh? Iz the true, no? Iz fucking not the true, really. I just kidding.

 

[Moxie]

You don't know what he weighs. Those official weights never change. Your whole case is circumstantial, but you don't even entertain that Fed has, even though the case could be made, as well. And that, based on your parameters. Double standards and sour grapes. No one believes that your endless hammering of it has nothing to do with him being such a pain on Roger's record for Nadal's whole career, basically.

 

[Front242]

You don't know what he weighs. Those official weights never change. Your whole case is circumstantial, but you don't even entertain that Fed has, even though the case could be made, as well. And that, based on your parameters. Double standards and sour grapes. No one believes that your endless hammering of it has nothing to do with him being such a pain on Roger's record for Nadal's whole career, basically.

There's very little to go by in terms of accusing Federer as he doesn't have great stamina and never did. He can barely play back to back long matches now for years without suffering a loss next match. Don't go telling us about 5 set matches either 'cos many of his 5 set matches feature him tanking sets 6-1 or 6-2 to conserve energy for a 5th and he's admitted when he played Novak he did this, and on top of all that, a 5 set match for Roger is about the same time as a 3 hour match for Nadal. He tires like a normal player and his game actually goes to crap when he's tired. Roger has also never gone from skinny to big in mere months. So once again there are absolutely ZERO double standards as there isn't anything to compare since Nadal could run for days and play back to back 5 hour matches with no repercussions and go from looking like a mini hulk to looking like shit (which he incidentally has) and you wouldn't even notice or at least you'd clearly avoid it and try and make out like we're lunatics for even suggesting the obvious and try and convince the gullible people here to believe you.

 

[Nadalfan2013]

Good for you. You can't prove he ISN'T a doper also but, since you're reposting stuff, so am I. Hey everyone, my name is Rafa and I never, ever doped, not even once. Kind of a shame I now look like shit but used to look like this. Not bad for a non doper huh? I supposedly lost all this weight to protect my knees but apparently I'm still the same weight. Go figure! Anyway, enough about me and how I look now, which again is shit but, hey, I once used to look like this and, btw, did I tell you I never go to the gym or lift weights? Pretty amazing huh? Iz the true, no? Iz fucking not the true, really. I just kidding.

Lol most 19 year olds at my gym look more muscular than this.

 

[Moxie]

There's very little to go by in terms of accusing Federer as he doesn't have great stamina and never did. He can barely play back to back long matches now for years without suffering a loss next match. Don't go telling us about 5 set matches either 'cos many of his 5 set matches feature him tanking sets 6-1 or 6-2 to conserve energy for a 5th and he's admitted when he played Novak he did this, and on top of all that, a 5 set match for Roger is about the same time as a 3 hour match for Nadal. He tires like a normal player and his game actually goes to crap when he's tired. Roger has also never gone from skinny to big in mere months. So once again there are absolutely ZERO double standards as there isn't anything to compare since Nadal could run for days and play back to back 5 hour matches with no repercussions and go from looking like a mini hulk to looking like shit (which he incidentally has) and you wouldn't even notice or at least you'd clearly avoid it and try and make out like we're lunatics for even suggesting the obvious and try and convince the gullible people here to believe you.

If seven months off, and going from winning no majors in 4.5 years, then winning 3 at 35-36 doesn't set off any alarm bells to you, then I repeat, you keep double-standards, and that is not lost on reasonable people around here.

 

[Front242]

If seven months off, and going from winning no majors in 4.5 years, then winning 3 at 35-36 doesn't set off any alarm bells to you, then I repeat, you keep double-standards, and that is not lost on reasonable people around here.

No it doesn't because Roger had been reaching finals multiple times before the injury and losing only to Djokovic. Now have a hard look back and see who either wasn't playing well and losing before the finals or wasn't playing at all when Roger won his recent slams. No double standards once again and no common sense from the Nadal camp. Just sour grapes and drivel.

 

[Nadalfan2013]

No it doesn't because Roger had been reaching finals multiple times before the injury and losing only to Djokovic. Now have a hard look back and see who either wasn't playing well and losing before the finals or wasn't playing at all when Roger won his recent slams. No double standards once again and no common sense from the Nadal camp. Just sour grapes and drivel.

Yeah but in most of those years (maybe except 2013) Federer was not injured. As for Rafa not long after his 2014 RG title got injured (wrist injury), missed the 2014 summer hardcourt season where he was the defending champion everywhere, then cameback a little bit but then had an appendicitis surgery in the off season wasn't sure if he was going to the 2015 AO but entered at the last minute without a lot of preparation, played most of 2015 trying to find his level, then in 2016 when he finally got his form back in the clay season had to withdraw during the 2016 RG (again wrist injury), missed Wimbledon, rushed a quick comeback for the Olympics, then struggled with his wrist again and decided to take a break to fully heal, etc. So that couple of years of bad results had a lot to do with him not being fully healthy long enough to find his form. Both Rafa and Roger are amazing, it was only matter of time before they lift slam trophies again, but please don't be bias.