The Ultimate FEDAL (Wars) Thread

[shawnbm]

1. 15 of their 38 matches played on clay and almost all of those (save two???) in a Masters or Roland Garros final. Wow!

 

[Carol]

I guess you won't answer my question Carol?

I answer you question. Rafa has showed many times that he can beat Federer in all the surfaces even with a worse serve and many injuries and showing that he is as good as him in HC. And about grass is a different story because after to win most of the tournaments on clay plus of course RG to jump right after in a very short time to grass I don't think is too easy for the body even that he has won Wimbledon twice. His worst surface? Indoor which is the Roger's best but it doesn't mean that he can't beat him

 

[Carol]

All fans are biased to some degree or another.

And then there's Carol.

And then some of you too or you are going to tell me that I can't give my opinion about who is better or not?

 

[Front242]

And then some of you too or you are going to tell me that I can't give my opinion about who is better or not?

He doesn't need to as the facts don't lie.

 

[Federberg]

I answer you question. Rafa has showed many times that he can beat Federer in all the surfaces even with a worse serve and many injuries and showing that he is as good as him in HC. And about grass is a different story because after to win most of the tournaments on clay plus of course RG to jump right after in a very short time to grass I don't think is too easy for the body even that he has won Wimbledon twice. His worst surface? Indoor which is the Roger's best but it doesn't mean that he can't beat him

That's not the standard for judging how good one player is in comparison to another Carol. Sorry but that argument is flawed. The thing with tennis is that match ups can skew results on surfaces, but performance against the field never lies. The only viable way to assess how good a tennis player is on a surface is their success on that surface. I don't think that anyone but the most biased fans believe that Rafa is comparable to Roger on grass, indoors or hardcourt. I haven't looked at the stats, but I think that Roger is probably (by number of titles) the best grass court and hard court player in the open era. I'm not sure about indoors, I suspect that Mac would have something to say about that unless we make a distinction between carpet and other indoor surfaces. Using H2H might make you feel better but it just doesn't make sense, otherwise we would be saying that Adriano Panatta was a better player than Borg at Roland Garros and that's just plain silly. It's simply absurd to compare Rafa to a player who has won 5 consecutive Wimbledon titles and 5 consecutive titles at Flushing. Please be rational

 

[Carol]

That's not the standard for judging how good one player is in comparison to another Carol. Sorry but that argument is flawed. The thing with tennis is that match ups can skew results on surfaces, but performance against the field never lies. The only viable way to assess how good a tennis player is on a surface is their success on that surface. I don't think that anyone but the most biased fans believe that Rafa is comparable to Roger on grass, indoors or hardcourt. I haven't looked at the stats, but I think that Roger is probably (by number of titles) the best grass court and hard court player in the open era. I'm not sure about indoors, I suspect that Mac would have something to say about that unless we make a distinction between carpet and other indoor surfaces. Using H2H might make you feel better but it just doesn't make sense, otherwise we would be saying that Adriano Panatta was a better player than Borg at Roland Garros and that's just plain silly. It's simply absurd to compare Rafa to a player who has won 5 consecutive Wimbledon titles and 5 consecutive titles at Flushing. Please be rational

Because I'm rational I haven't said that Rafa is better than Roger in HC and grass but I said that he is as good as him. I explained very clear why Rafa has not better numbers on grass which any "rational" person has to see why but on HC has enough numbers to say the he is AS GOOD as Federer

 

[Carol]

Same like I can't understand why the WTF is playing in the same surface, I think it's very unfair because it could be much better to play in different surfaces, Indoor and outdoor, and on clay, HC and grass too

 

[Front242]

Because I'm rational I haven't said that Rafa is better than Roger in HC and grass but I said that he is as good as him. I explained very clear why Rafa has not better numbers on grass which any "national" person has to see why but on HC has enough numbers to say the he is AS GOOD as Federer

He's just pointed out that 5 consecutive slam titles on grass AND hard court cannot possibly make them equal and the word is rational, not national. He does NOT have the numbers to say he's as good as Federer unless you're a raving lunatic but just as I typed that I realized hmmm...

One more time btw, Nadal has NEVER defended a title off clay. Another reason why he can't possibly be in the same league as Federer but don't let facts upset your fandom.

 

[Front242]

Same like I can't understand why the WTF is playing in the same surface, I think it's very unfair because it could be much better to play in different surfaces, Indoor and outdoor, and on clay, HC and grass too

This has already been discussed to death. We have a slam on slow/medium hard court (AO), clay (RG), grass (Wimbledon) and medium hard court (USO). Sadly the USO is no longer a fast hard court like before but we still have no indoor slam. Since there are only 4 slams but the WTF is the next most important tournament on tour, it makes sense to have it on the only surface missing from the above, namely indoor.

 

[Carol]

Because it’s the next important tour at the final of the year I don't see the reason that has to be always in the same surface, there are too many HC already so after Asia and Paris it should be to be played in diferent surfaces

 

[Obsi]

Lol! Guys why do you engage with her?

She is better than you fucking shit.

 

[Ricardo]

He's just pointed out that 5 consecutive slam titles on grass AND hard court cannot possibly make them equal and the word is rational, not national. He does NOT have the numbers to say he's as good as Federer unless you're a raving lunatic but just as I typed that I realized hmmm...

One more time btw, Nadal has NEVER defended a title off clay. Another reason why he can't possibly be in the same league as Federer but don't let facts upset your fandom.

oh but don't be so hard on Carol, she is just here to make everyone happy......by making all of us feel clever.

 

[Federberg]

Because I'm rational I haven't said that Rafa is better than Roger in HC and grass but I said that he is as good as him. I explained very clear why Rafa has not better numbers on grass which any "rational" person has to see why but on HC has enough numbers to say the he is AS GOOD as Federer

How on earth can he be as good as Federer on hard courts? What stats can you use to back that up? This is pointless and a little embarrassing for you.

 

[Ricardo]

Because I'm rational I haven't said that Rafa is better than Roger in HC and grass but I said that he is as good as him. I explained very clear why Rafa has not better numbers on grass which any "rational" person has to see why but on HC has enough numbers to say the he is AS GOOD as Federer

if they are equal as you claimed, how does that stack up as Fed has like 10 slams on hard not to mention other superior results than Rafa? oh even H-H Fed has an edge, there isn't a single key factor that says they are equal.....

so how did you decide you are 'rational'? must be a reason.

 

[Ricardo]

She is better than you fucking shit.

you and Carol, are a match made in heaven......for entertainment value.

 

[Carol]

you and Carol, are a match made in heaven......for entertainment value.

And what about you? I ‘d love to see who really you are, let me guess.....nah, it’s not worth
Entertainment is to see all of you showing around when someone says something that you don’t like. I understand your passion for Federer (out of normal and unlimited) but it doesn’t matter how mad you get I can’t see that your idol is better than Nadal, he is not . Unfortunately Nadal has not had any opportunities to defended the HC titles because his injuries (neither on grass) and talking about this surface I don’t deny that Federer is one of the best on that surface but he has been beaten several times so he is not the best so far comparing to Nadal on clay

 

[Carol]

She is better than you fucking shit.

And he asked the others why they engage with me when he does the same......:cuckoo:

 

[Ricardo]

And what about you? I ‘d love to see who really you are, let me guess.....nah, it’s not worth
Entertainment is to see all of you showing around when someone says something that you don’t like. I understand your passion for Federer (out of normal and unlimited) but it doesn’t matter how mad you get I can’t see that your idol is better than Nadal, he is not . Unfortunately Nadal has not had any opportunities to defended the HC titles because his injuries (neither on grass) and talking about this surface I don’t deny that Federer is one of the best on that surface but he has been beaten several times so he is not the best so far comparing to Nadal on clay

You didn't answer he question but never mind. Oh I am not a fan of Fed, a real dan would never deny that but I see silly things and I have to point out. Now you raised another funny thing, every time Nadal defends a title off clay he has injury so he couldn't but just by sheer luck he has defended his clay titles a zillion times, as there is no injury then. How is it possible that such coincidence would occur?

Another rational lesson Carol taught us.....made my day yet again. Good on you Carol!!

 

[Carol]

You didn't answer he question but never mind. Oh I am not a fan of Fed, a real dan would never deny that but I see silly things and I have to point out. Now you raised another funny thing, every time Nadal defends a title off clay he has injury so he couldn't but just by sheer luck he has defended his clay titles a zillion times, as there is no injury then. How is it possible that such coincidence would occur?

Another rational lesson Carol taught us.....made my day yet again. Good on you Carol!!

I gave my opinion and I have answered enough but of course I don’t expect that all of you would agree with what I said, to each one his own

 

[Moxie]

if they are equal as you claimed, how does that stack up as Fed has like 10 slams on hard not to mention other superior results than Rafa? oh even H-H Fed has an edge, there isn't a single key factor that says they are equal.....

so how did you decide you are 'rational'? must be a reason.

Why is 10 Slams on HCs a superior result? Rafa has 10 Slams on clay, so that's seems equal. And what is your version where Roger has the edge in the H2H? Roger's resume has many advantages, to be sure, but Rafa has the others: most consecutive years winning a Major (a record,) first player to hold Majors on all 3 surfaces, Golden Slam, 10 x 3 tournament wins (3x record)...and the H2H v. Roger, and most of the field. Rafa was also the only of the Big 4 to hold the H2H record against them all. It's not without merit.