The Ultimate FEDAL (Wars) Thread

[Moxie]

What hyperbole did I use? I'm not really following. Saying Fed played like crap overall would be a bit too much, maybe I got carried away at times in the past and said that.

But I don't think it's exaggerating it to say he was disappointing that day like much of 2008. I also feel with stats like 1-13 BP's vs an average server and a blown 4-1 lead in a set it is difficult on that basis alone to say someone played well let alone amazing. I do also stand by the thought he was pure crap the first two sets. He just made it a great match with some better play the last few sets. Of note given some of the comparisons on the board lately is that Roger played a much stronger match in 2014 against Djokovic. The level of play in that match was higher than 2008 IMO, but it wasn't as great of a match by any means.

When you say "It seems your goal is to get everyone to say it's the best match Fed ever played and he hardly put a foot wrong in the match," that's hyperbole and a gross exaggeration of anything I've ever said about Roger's level in that match. I've always said he started more lackluster because that's the way I remember it, which is also what I saw when I watched it again. I think it's very fine of you to admit that you have, in the past, perhaps over-stated Roger's poor play in that match, and that at least you think it was a great match in terms of drama and context. From there, I'm happy to agree to disagree with you on just how much fine play there was in that very long match.

 

[Murat Baslamisli]

I believe that Rafa can beat Roger in Indoor and Outdoor. The reason that he has lost to him this year I think he knows the answer better than us but I would put my hand on the fire that he will do it soon

He sure CAN beat Roger Indoors Carol, just like Roger CAN beat Rafa on clay...but then again those things happen very rarely , no? Possible...not probable.

 

[Carol]

He sure CAN beat Roger Indoors Carol, just like Roger CAN beat Rafa on clay...but then again but those things happen very rarely , no? Possible...not probable.

Of course you as Federer's fan don't want that Rafa can beat him but like I said before I would be surprised if he doesn't

 

[Murat Baslamisli]

Here's a distinction I would make, @Murat Baslamisli. You are talking about a theoretical clay and a theoretical indoor HC. What we have in front of us is an actual situation. Roger is 36, and doesn't sustain the day-to-day he once did, though he's still playing beautifully (of late, and except today.) If they meet at the YEC, it will only be in the final. That's one day. At this age and stage of their careers, there's any reason to believe that the ground rules could change.

Maybe...but that would also mean Roger played well enough to make it to the final and is confident. And my post was more historical than theoretical. But I agree with you to a degree. It is just that no one expected Roger to do what he did this year.

 

[Moxie]

Maybe...but that would also mean Roger played well enough to make it to the final and is confident. And my post was more historical than theoretical. But I agree with you to a degree. It is just that no one expected Roger to do what he did this year.

Yes, but nor did they Rafa. So they've both astonished us, and Rafa is 5 years younger.

 

[Carol]

Maybe...but that would also mean Roger played well enough to make it to the final and is confident. And my post was more historical than theoretical. But I agree with you to a degree. It is just that no one expected Roger to do what he did this year.

No one expected Roger to do what he did the year, isn't? as you can see tennis sometimes is a box of surprises and that's one of the reasons why I think that Rafa could win in London

 

[Murat Baslamisli]

Yes, but nor did they Rafa. So they've both astonished us, and Rafa is 5 years younger.

He sure is but that did not help him this year so far. Listen, I definitely see the possibility of Rafa going all the way at the YEC but if the final is against Roger, my percentages would be 60%-40% for Roger.

 

[Moxie]

He sure is but that did not help him this year so far. Listen, I definitely see the possibility of Rafa going all the way at the YEC but if the final is against Roger, my percentages would be 60%-40% for Roger.

I never said different. I'm just saying that the percentages move farther in Rafa's direction, and I mean against the field, than in years.

 

[Carol]

He sure is but that did not help him this year so far. Listen, I definitely see the possibility of Rafa going all the way at the YEC but if the final is against Roger, my percentages would be 60%-40% for Roger.

Ok, I admit that Roger always has played better in Indoor but it doesn't mean that Rafa can't beat him and it could be great if he would do it in London, it's my hope

 

[mrzz]

If they meet at the YEC, it will only be in the final

In fact they can meet also in the semi, it depends in which position they qualify within their groups (if both qualify).

About their chances if they meet there, specially in this surface/environment combination this became simply a match up issue for Nadal, and that's why I would give Federer some good 80% chance of wining. I guess both are playing at similar levels against the field but against each other (again, specially at this surface/environment combination) Federer is able to impose a rhythm that is not comfortable to Nadal, and the improved bh shuts the easy way out of this scenario. Obviously Nadal can play like that, but it is not ideal for him, so statistically he would lose more points than win. Just like back in the day, it was not that Federer would miss the first ball kicking high to his back hand. It is the way it all adds up in the end.

 

[the AntiPusher]

No one expected Roger to do what he did the year, isn't? as you can see tennis sometimes is a box of surprises and that's one of the reasons why I think that Rafa could win in London

The only way IMO that Rafa can win London is if Delpotro defeats Roger in the semifinals

 

[Carol]

The only way IMO that Rafa can win London is if Delpotro defeats Roger in the semifinals

Yeah.....like in Basel ? . I see that you are not very optimist about Rafa vs Federer but I do, forget about Shanghai, we can blame just Rafa playing so many matches in a very short time

 

[Front242]

Yeah.....like in Basel ? . I see that you are not very optimist about Rafa vs Federer but I do, forget about Shanghai, we can blame just Rafa playing so many matches in a very short time

He beat Roger at the WTF once, yes, once in his whole career and that was in 2013 when Roger had back issues. It's a match up issue on indoor hard court and not related to any overplaying. Likewise Rafa is just better on clay. Nothing more to it.

 

[Carol]

He beat Roger at the WTF once, yes, once in his whole career and that was in 2013 when Roger had back issues. It's a match up issue on indoor hard court and not related to any overplaying. Likewise Rafa is just better on clay. Nothing more to it.

To you when Federer has lost always has been because he had/has back issues or mono, sincerely I can't take any consideration in such poor excuse. Nadal can beat Federer in any surface even in Indoor which is the only surface that Federer is better

 

[Front242]

To you when Federer has lost always has been because he had/has back issues or mono, sincerely I can't take any consideration in such poor excuse. Nadal can beat Federer in any surface even in Indoor which is the only surface that Federer is better

That's all in your head and downright stupid. He's lost loads of matches when he wasn't injured. He had mono in 2008 only so stop making yourself look even more stupid. 1129–249 are his matches won and lost. Do you SERIOUSLY think I'm so retarded that I'm gonna say he was injured or had mono for all those 249 matches?! Please stop posting garbage.

 

[Carol]

That's all in your head and downright stupid. He's lost loads of matches when he wasn't injured. He had mono in 2008 only so stop making yourself look even more stupid. 1129–249 are his his matches won and lost. Do you SERIOUSLY think I'm so retarded that I'm gonna say he was injured or had mono for all those 249 matches?! Please stop posting garbage.

¨Likewise Just Rafa is better on clay. Nothing more on it¨. Look who is talking about stupidity and garbage which is the only thing you know to do, I¨m so sick of you and people like you!!!!:spank2:

 

[DarthFed]

To you when Federer has lost always has been because he had/has back issues or mono, sincerely I can't take any consideration in such poor excuse. Nadal can beat Federer in any surface even in Indoor which is the only surface that Federer is better

Yeah Federer isn't better than him on grass, fast hards, or slow hards? You're smoking some good crack clearly. Even the hardest Nadal fans would admit Federer is clearly better than Rafa on everything except clay.

 

[Front242]

¨Likewise Just Rafa is better on clay. Nothing more on it¨. Look who is talking about stupidity and garbage which is the only thing you know to do, I¨m so sick of you and people like you!!!!:spank2:

What the absolute f**k is wrong with you? Are you now denying Nadal is not better on clay or do you need someone to explain what the above means in Spanish?

 

[Federberg]

Lol! Guys why do you engage with her?

 

[DarthFed]

Lol! Guys why do you engage with her?

Sometimes it's just too fun especially after zingers like Roger only being better than Nadal indoors. Just when I thought it couldn't get any more ridiculous...