The Rankings Thread (ATP)

[Denis]

I'd like to see Gasquet make a move up to the top 8. I'm surprised he only has 2,490 points, he won 2 tourneys this year and got 720 for Wimbledon SF and 360 for USO QF. He must have a ton of 1st round losses aside from those results.

He did terrible at the masters events.

 

[herios]

I'd like to see Gasquet make a move up to the top 8. I'm surprised he only has 2,490 points, he won 2 tourneys this year and got 720 for Wimbledon SF and 360 for USO QF. He must have a ton of 1st round losses aside from those results.

He did terrible at the masters events.

Simon and Raonic who are just ahead of Richie in rankings still carry 600 points each for a master final last year, Simon in Shaghai and Milos in Paris. Those will come off when we roll over the 52 weeks and Richie will get ahead of them, like he is in the live ranking, unless Simon and Milos will outplay him for the rest of the season.

 

[herios]

New career highs as of 21 Sep.:

20. Bernard Tomic 22y
85. Ruben Bemelmans 27y
88. Daniel Munoz-de la Nava 33y
91. Marco Cecchinato 22y

 

[Fiero425]

New career highs as of 21 Sep.:

20. Bernard Tomic 22y
85. Ruben Bemelmans 27y
88. Daniel Munoz-de la Nava 33y
91. Marco Cecchinato 22y

I thought Tomic seemed like he should be moving up, but that DC effort didn't show me much! :cover :eyepop

 

[Front242]

Well he is moving up. This is his career highest ranking

 

[Fiero425]

Well he is moving up. This is his career highest ranking

I've seen them come and go for well over 40 years! Someone can have a career year and you never hear from them again; Soderling & Del PO at the top of the list! Then you have this current crop like Dimitrov, Simon, Dopo, and so many others that can contest for a Master for a few months, then totally forget how to play the game after that! This BIG 4 have staved off many challenges with little sweat; almost always making SF and F until recently! Now it's more about the BIG 2 with a semi-challenge going on with Murray and Federer! So far Murray's results may be better, but H2H Roger has embarrassed him w/o losing a set! How do you do that; esp. against a relatively OLD MAN? Right now it's all about Nole; with a lock on #1 in the foreseeable future! Roger can only hold on so long and Murray better make his move soon or Rafa might pass him up again! That would be even more embarrassing IMO! ;-) :cover

 

[tented]

New rankings for Monday, September 21, 2015.

 

[Front242]

Well he is moving up. This is his career highest ranking

I've seen them come and go for well over 40 years! Someone can have a career year and you never hear from them again; Soderling & Del PO at the top of the list! Then you have this current crop like Dimitrov, Simon, Dopo, and so many others that can contest for a Master for a few months, then totally forget how to play the game after that! This BIG 4 have staved off many challenges with little sweat; almost always making SF and F until recently! Now it's more about the BIG 2 with a semi-challenge going on with Murray and Federer! So far Murray's results may be better, but H2H Roger has embarrassed him w/o losing a set! How do you do that; esp. against a relatively OLD MAN? Right now it's all about Nole; with a lock on #1 in the foreseeable future! Roger can only hold on so long and Murray better make his move soon or Rafa might pass him up again! That would be even more embarrassing IMO! ;-) :cover

Soderling and Delpo are top of the list 'cos the former had to quit playing due to extremely bad mono and the latter is injured non stop. Otherwise they'd both be top 5-8 for sure. Hopefully both of them will be back next year.

 

[Kieran]

Murray better make his move soon or Rafa might pass him up again! That would be even more embarrassing IMO! ;-) :cover

Your lips to God's Ears, brother. tennis needs strong rivalries, but at the mo', Novak looks at a scene not dissimilar to Roger's early years at the top, when he sucked up a staggering 13 majors without beating a single great player in their prime. Or was it 15? Hard to tell, the nondescriptedness of everything became a blur.

Tennis needs Rafa....

 

[herios]

Tennis needs Rafa....

That is your opinion. :nono
There is enough zest in the Novak Roger finals these days. Why tennis needs to be a Rafa there?
Did you see the USO final? It was like a soccer match, with tons of hooligans

 

[Kieran]

Tennis needs Rafa....

That is your opinion. :nono
There is enough zest in the Novak Roger finals these days. Why tennis needs to be a Rafa there?
Did you see the USO final? It was like a soccer match, with tons of hooligans

You're kidding me, right? I mean, who knows how long Roger's extraordinary "conditioning" will last, but although Novak is making heavy weather of things against him in these slam finals, it's not "a rivalry." It's a foregone conclusion, and will become more so next year when Roger turns 80.

Tennis needs Rafa. A fit, strong fist-pumping Rafa who's back clicking W's, not the frail version we've seen trying to comeback this year, demented by the cycle of injuries and comebacks he's been on. Whether we'll get him, that's another seven threads someplace. :snicker

We also have Novak saying things like, "uh, I have to earn the fans support."

Gimme a well deserved break. Sampras wouldn't say that. Connors, Borg, Nadal, Federer. These boys play to win, not boogie with the fans down the aisles. If the crowd are rowdy, it's not up to Novak to win them over - his job is tennis matches, and he did that quite well at Flushing Meadows...

 

[Front242]

Murray better make his move soon or Rafa might pass him up again! That would be even more embarrassing IMO! ;-) :cover

Your lips to God's Ears, brother. tennis needs strong rivalries, but at the mo', Novak looks at a scene not dissimilar to Roger's early years at the top, when he sucked up a staggering 13 majors without beating a single great player in their prime. Or was it 15? Hard to tell, the nondescriptedness of everything became a blur.

Tennis needs Rafa....

Careful now when you talk about people racking up slams while not beating great players in their prime. How many of Novak and Rafa's slams have been against opponents well past their prime or opponents who weren't even great in the first place? And we could say that about any era. It amounts to nothing but sour grapes.

 

[Fiero425]

Murray better make his move soon or Rafa might pass him up again! That would be even more embarrassing IMO! ;-) :cover

Your lips to God's Ears, brother. tennis needs strong rivalries, but at the mo', Novak looks at a scene not dissimilar to Roger's early years at the top, when he sucked up a staggering 13 majors without beating a single great player in their prime. Or was it 15? Hard to tell, the nondescriptedness of everything became a blur.

Tennis needs Rafa....

Careful now when you talk about people racking up slams while not beating great players in their prime. How many of Novak and Rafa's slams have been against opponents well past their prime or opponents who weren't even great in the first place? And we could say that about any era. It amounts to nothing but sour grapes.

You're kidding right? Who's had it tougher than Nole with Roger and Rafa getting "all the love" while he was the perennial #3 for a while until "breaking though" in 2011? People fault him for not winning earlier, but ignore his competition! He only had 1 lower level player in TSonga back in '08 final at AO! Since then he's had to deal with the other Big 4 in Murray, Federer, and Nadal! Fedal have had plenty of walkover competition in major finals; Ferrer, Roddick, Berdych, an aging Agassi, and others too numerous to name OTTH! Nole came of age, got his head on right, has a great team and work ethic, and he's finally reaping the benefits of that hard work! I give him all due credit and praise for what he's been able to accomplish with "most of the cheers" going to his rivals! I guess I love an underdog! I see so many parallels with Ivan Lendl when he had to compete against Borg, Connors, Agassi, Becker, Wilander, Edberg, and McEnroe and never got his due no matter how much he won! uzzled :nono :angel: :dodgy:

 

[Front242]

Your lips to God's Ears, brother. tennis needs strong rivalries, but at the mo', Novak looks at a scene not dissimilar to Roger's early years at the top, when he sucked up a staggering 13 majors without beating a single great player in their prime. Or was it 15? Hard to tell, the nondescriptedness of everything became a blur.

Tennis needs Rafa....

Careful now when you talk about people racking up slams while not beating great players in their prime. How many of Novak and Rafa's slams have been against opponents well past their prime or opponents who weren't even great in the first place? And we could say that about any era. It amounts to nothing but sour grapes.

You're kidding right? Who's had it tougher than Nole with Roger and Rafa getting "all the love" while he was the perennial #3 for a while until "breaking though" in 2011? People fault him for not winning earlier, but ignore his competition! He only had 1 lower level player in TSonga back in '08 final at AO! Since then he's had to deal with the other Big 4 in Murray, Federer, and Nadal! Fedal have had plenty of walkover competition in major finals; Ferrer, Roddick, Berdych, an aging Agassi, and others too numerous to name OTTH! Nole came of age, got his head on right, has a great team and work ethic, and he's finally reaping the benefits of that hard work! I give him all due credit and praise for what he's been able to accomplish with "most of the cheers" going to his rivals! I guess I love an underdog! I see so many parallels with Ivan Lendl when he had to compete against Borg, Connors, Agassi, Becker, Wilander, Edberg, and McEnroe and never got his due no matter how much he won! uzzled :nono :angel: :dodgy:

Fiero, I'm not disputing Novak is playing great. What I am disputing, however, is the nonsense from Kieran regarding Roger's early slams 'cos it's double standards. Roger has been past his prime for years and his post was about Roger racking up slams against no great players in their primes. You can say that about this era or in fact any era 'cos it'll never be the case that all the great players are the same age. It's pointless. Novak is 6 years younger than Roger. Rafa is 5 years younger than Roger. Andy is 6 years younger than Roger. This is huge in tennis. I hope people are getting the picture here.

 

[Kieran]

Murray better make his move soon or Rafa might pass him up again! That would be even more embarrassing IMO! ;-) :cover

Your lips to God's Ears, brother. tennis needs strong rivalries, but at the mo', Novak looks at a scene not dissimilar to Roger's early years at the top, when he sucked up a staggering 13 majors without beating a single great player in their prime. Or was it 15? Hard to tell, the nondescriptedness of everything became a blur.

Tennis needs Rafa....

Careful now when you talk about people racking up slams while not beating great players in their prime. How many of Novak and Rafa's slams have been against opponents well past their prime or opponents who weren't even great in the first place? And we could say that about any era. It amounts to nothing but sour grapes.

Well, you never have to be careful when you speak the truth, and it's very true that Roger banged out over a dozen slams without beating a single great player in their prime.

Was Roger in his prime in 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008? Rafa beat him in all those years, and in 2009 Roger won 2 slams, and reached a further 2 finals, and Rafa beat him in Oz.

Nole beat Rafa in 2011 and Oz in 2012, then Rafa beat Nole in Paris in 2012, and then beat the world #1 on hards at the USO. These boys took a rough road, but Nole is heading into a similar situation to the one Roger faced in his early years: his toughest match at Flushing Meadows was a 34 year old. That was kinda like Wodger ten years earlier. Both of them made heavy weather of light work, but whatever...

 

[Front242]

Your lips to God's Ears, brother. tennis needs strong rivalries, but at the mo', Novak looks at a scene not dissimilar to Roger's early years at the top, when he sucked up a staggering 13 majors without beating a single great player in their prime. Or was it 15? Hard to tell, the nondescriptedness of everything became a blur.

Tennis needs Rafa....

Careful now when you talk about people racking up slams while not beating great players in their prime. How many of Novak and Rafa's slams have been against opponents well past their prime or opponents who weren't even great in the first place? And we could say that about any era. It amounts to nothing but sour grapes.

Well, you never have to be careful when you speak the truth, and it's very true that Roger banged out over a dozen slams without beating a single great player in their prime.

Was Roger in his prime in 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008? Rafa beat him in all those years, and in 2009 Roger won 2 slams, and reached a further 2 finals, and Rafa beat him in Oz.

Nole beat Rafa in 2011 and Oz in 2012, then Rafa beat Nole in Paris in 2012, and then beat the world #1 on hards at the USO. These boys took a rough road, but Nole is heading into a similar situation to the one Roger faced in his early years: his toughest match at Flushing Meadows was a 34 year old. That was kinda like Wodger ten years earlier. Both of them made heavy weather of light work, but whatever...

Fact is every player in history has won slams against what you may consider players who aren't great. Thing to remember is they got to the finals because they were playing great, beating everyone they faced. Would people not agree Cilic was an absolute beast last year? But yet he's not by any means great. Nadal has won slams against Puerta and Berdych ffs! You can't have it both ways.

 

[Kieran]

Thanks for agreeing with me, buddy, first time for everything. Baggy, Gonzo and Fozzy bear. I like that line. All the funnier for being true. I'd have more in common with brother Fiero when it comes to these things.

You still sick over the Dubs? :clap :snicker

 

[herios]

Tennis needs Rafa....

That is your opinion. :nono
There is enough zest in the Novak Roger finals these days. Why tennis needs to be a Rafa there?
Did you see the USO final? It was like a soccer match, with tons of hooligans

You're kidding me, right? I mean, who knows how long Roger's extraordinary "conditioning" will last, but although Novak is making heavy weather of things against him in these slam finals, it's not "a rivalry." It's a foregone conclusion, and will become more so next year when Roger turns 80.

Tennis needs Rafa. A fit, strong fist-pumping Rafa

Last I knew Rafa is still fist pumping his way to a Hamburg title. He just managed to annoy enough his opponent F3 there, to make him hungry for a revenge at Flushing Meadows:clap
Rafa just picked the wrong place to fist pump

 

[Fiero425]

That is your opinion. :nono
There is enough zest in the Novak Roger finals these days. Why tennis needs to be a Rafa there?
Did you see the USO final? It was like a soccer match, with tons of hooligans

You're kidding me, right? I mean, who knows how long Roger's extraordinary "conditioning" will last, but although Novak is making heavy weather of things against him in these slam finals, it's not "a rivalry." It's a foregone conclusion, and will become more so next year when Roger turns 80.

Tennis needs Rafa. A fit, strong fist-pumping Rafa

Last I knew Rafa is still fist pumping his way to a Hamburg title. He just managed to annoy enough his opponent F3 there, to make him hungry for a revenge at Flushing Meadows. :clap
Rafa just picked the wrong place to fist pump.

Players like Nadal and Murray seem to do those "fist pumps" at inopportune or ridiculous times! It's like "look at the score dude!" If they would kick in some urgency early on, they wouldn't have to make such physical wins from being down and needing to "pump it up!" It all catches up with you sooner or later! :cover :nono :angel: :dodgy:

 

[kskate2]

New rankings for Monday, September 28, 2015.