The Rankings Thread (ATP)

[isabelle]

Whatever the reason, for a player of Nadal's caliber to have never won the WTF is pretty amazing. This isn't called obsession. It's called fascination. We may say the same thing about Djokovic's failure to win the French some day but he still has 2 or 3 more chances. At this point in his career, Nadal winning the WTF will be like Berdych or Ferrer winning a Slam.

Move Masters on clay ands he"l win at least 1 !! It's a question of surface, he hates indoor and plays poorly on it

 

[Kirijax]

Whatever the reason, for a player of Nadal's caliber to have never won the WTF is pretty amazing. This isn't called obsession. It's called fascination. We may say the same thing about Djokovic's failure to win the French some day but he still has 2 or 3 more chances. At this point in his career, Nadal winning the WTF will be like Berdych or Ferrer winning a Slam.

Move Masters on clay ands he"l win at least 1 !! It's a question of surface, he hates indoor and plays poorly on it

WTF is an indoor tournament at the moment. No reason to move it to clay just so Nadal can finally win it.

 

[isabelle]

Whatever the reason, for a player of Nadal's caliber to have never won the WTF is pretty amazing. This isn't called obsession. It's called fascination. We may say the same thing about Djokovic's failure to win the French some day but he still has 2 or 3 more chances. At this point in his career, Nadal winning the WTF will be like Berdych or Ferrer winning a Slam.

Move Masters on clay ands he"l win at least 1 !! It's a question of surface, he hates indoor and plays poorly on it

WTF is an indoor tournament at the moment. No reason to move it to clay just so Nadal can finally win it.

Agree with you, it was just to explain why he never won Masters. I don't want to move Masters on clay to please 1 player, he must adapt himself to conditions

 

[GameSetAndMath]

With Cilic's loss to Tomis yesterday coupled with Rafa's win over Stakhovsky, Rafa has now climbed to #8 in the rankings. He is virtually assured of a top 8 seed now at USO as he has nothing to defend and he is still in the draw in Montreal and is playing in Cincy as well. :clap

 

[Kirijax]

Just saw this easy-to-understand illustration of what will happen to Cilic's ranking after the USO.

 

[tented]

^ :lolz:

That looks so painful.

 

[rafanoy1992]

If Murray reaches the final in Montreal, he will temporarily pass Federer in the computer rankings next week.

So Federer to be seeded number 2 in the US Open, he has to reach at least the Cincy final AND Murray not winning the title.

It will be interesting to see who gets the two seed at the US Open.

 

[GameSetAndMath]

If Murray reaches the final in Montreal, he will temporarily pass Federer in the computer rankings next week.

So Federer to be seeded number 2 in the US Open, he has to reach at least the Cincy final AND Murray not winning the title.

It will be interesting to see who gets the two seed at the US Open.

Ya, for sure Fed's #2 position is precarious. Hope he maintains it at least for USO, even if he loses it later in the year.

 

[GameSetAndMath]

If Murray reaches the final in Montreal, he will temporarily pass Federer in the computer rankings next week.

So Federer to be seeded number 2 in the US Open, he has to reach at least the Cincy final AND Murray not winning the title.

It will be interesting to see who gets the two seed at the US Open.

It is even worse. If Murray reaches finals at Montreal, then even if Fed wins Cincy, Murray will be #2 at USO as long as he (Murray) can reach QF (or better) at Cincy.

Hope Tsonga takes out Murray tomorrow or Kei takes out Rafa or both (as otherwise, I will be forced to root for Rafa in the SF against Murray :cover :nono).

 

[herios]

GSM, what you have mentioned is not correct. What you see in the live ranking includes the Cincy points from 2014 subtracted already. All points are coming off one week earlier.
If Roger wins Cincy, he will go back to 9065 points.

 

[herios]

I do not think Roger is actually concerned with his ranking anymore, or at least as much as his fans are.

 

[GameSetAndMath]

GSM, what you have mentioned is not correct. What you see in the live ranking includes the Cincy points from 2014 subtracted already. All points are coming off one week earlier.
If Roger wins Cincy, he will go back to 9065 points.

Thanks for the correction. I feel little relived.

The ATP website has not yet dumped the Cincy points.

According to ATP, Fed has a lead of 1225 points. If Murray reaches finals in Montreals, Fed's lead would become 625.

Fed's 1000 pts will come off this Monday. Also, Murray's 180 points from last years QF will come off. Also, Murray is able to count 7 other tourneys instead of 6 due to the ranking points coming off early. Once that gets resolve, an additional 180 points of Murray will come off.

So, Fed's lead will be 625+360 -1000 = -15 or Murray's lead will be 15 points.

So, in order to remain #2, Fed has to basically reach one round higher than Murray.
Fed will have #2 seeding at Cincy and so I think this is doable.

 

[GameSetAndMath]

I do not think Roger is actually concerned with his ranking anymore, or at least as much as his fans are.

Once, you are not #1, it does not matter much whether you are #2 or #3, especially when you have previously stayed as #1 for more than 300 weeks. I agree that Roger is not concerned about his rankings for the ranking sake.

However, he still would want to remain #2 at least for this USO, to give himself better chances of winning it. After all Wimby and USO are his best chances out there and he would want to be ranked as high as necessary to get seeding advantage.

 

[sid]

Andy past Roger for now,final v Nole is going to be huge for Andy.Cincy,fingers crossed Andy holds his own with Roger for USO.
C'mon.

 

[Murat Baslamisli]

If Roger has any concerns regarding ranking, it must be staying at top 4. You fall out of top 4 , life becomes very difficult.

 

[sid]

If Roger has any concerns regarding ranking, it must be staying at top 4. You fall out of top 4 , life becomes very difficult.

Agreed,being out the top 4 is not good,2nd seed @ slams,most times get's better draws.

 

[GameSetAndMath]

I posted this accidentally in the Cincy thread, when I meant to post it here. So, I am reposting it here.

Murray's win at Montreal means that Fed should do the following in order to retain #2 seed at USO.

a. If Murray reaches SF at Cincy, Fed should win Cincy outright. Merely beating Murray at SF would not do.

b. If Murray falls at QF or earlier at Cincy, Fed needs to reach the final at Cincy. Merely doing one round better than Murray would not do.

 

[rafanoy1992]

I posted this accidentally in the Cincy thread, when I meant to post it here. So, I am reposting it here.

Murray's win at Montreal means that Fed should do the following in order to retain #2 seed at USO.

a. If Murray reaches SF at Cincy, Fed should win Cincy outright. Merely beating Murray at SF would not do.

b. If Murray falls at QF or earlier at Cincy, Fed needs to reach the final at Cincy. Merely doing one round better than Murray would not do.

So basically it is the final or bust for Federer. It will be a very interesting week that's for sure!

 

[GameSetAndMath]

I posted this accidentally in the Cincy thread, when I meant to post it here. So, I am reposting it here.

Murray's win at Montreal means that Fed should do the following in order to retain #2 seed at USO.

a. If Murray reaches SF at Cincy, Fed should win Cincy outright. Merely beating Murray at SF would not do.

b. If Murray falls at QF or earlier at Cincy, Fed needs to reach the final at Cincy. Merely doing one round better than Murray would not do.

So basically it is the final or bust for Federer. It will be a very interesting week that's for sure!

Yes, if Fed cannot reach the final, he cannot retain #2 seed. However, merely reaching final will not do, if Andy manages to go as far as SF. In that case, Fed needs to win it outright.

All of this happened due to Fed's decision to skip Montreal. However, I would not second guess his decision. He needs to listen to his body. That is more important than worrying about ranking and seeding.

 

[Busted]

If Roger has any concerns regarding ranking, it must be staying at top 4. You fall out of top 4 , life becomes very difficult.

I think if Roger had any concerns about the rankings he'd have shown up in Montreal to defend his 600 points. And he'd be playing more tournaments. At this point Murray has played 22 tourneys this year - 5 more than Roger, so he should be #2 since he didn't have many points to defend from last year. As always with Murray the problem will come next year when he has to defend those points. Nobody seems to be able to string together back-to-back great years anymore. Nole couldn't repeat 2011 in 2012. Murray couldn't repeat his 2012 in 2013 - and then Nadal couldn't repeat his 2013 in 2014. Sure, Roger's old - but at least his results are consistent from one year to the next - discounting 2013 when he was injured. And the ultimate irony - now the media is starting to ask Nadal if he's planning to retire soon and he's saying he's playing because he loves the game and knows his best days are behind him. Gotta love the irony that now the media is trying to shove Nadal out the door right behind Roger.