The Rankings Thread (ATP)

[DarthFed]

I can understand Nadal fans wanting to minimize the WTF since Nadal has never won it, but the WTF is the fifth slam and gaining in significance and importance every year. It's a bit amazing that Nadal has never won it. It will definitely be a black mark on his career if he finishes without a single win. almost every player with six+ slams has won the thing at least once. At least he has company with Wilander.

Federer: 6
Nadal: 0
Sampras: 4
Borg: 2
Djokovic: 4
Connors: 1
Lendl: 5
Agassi: 1
McEnroe: 3
Wilander: 0
Edberg: 1
Becker: 3

I do not find it "amazing" at all that Nadal has not won the WTF in his career. It was a bad timing for him, to play this event in the Fedovic era, when those two, Roger and Nole won 10 of them leaving not much room at all to anyone else.
The only time when Fedovic came up lame, 2009, Rafa came up even lamer than usual, suffering 3 defeats.
He is just simply not that as good indoors, he will always be a dark horse in that event.

I do. For a player who has 14 slams to never have won the WTF even once is pretty amazing, unbelievable and dismal.

A pathetic run there that we shall hope continues

 

[Kieran]

He's only played there six times, including 2006 and 2007 when he was still developing, and 2009, when he was way off the pace after his injury. What are we left with? 2010, where he reached the final, 2011, where he was abysmal, and 2013, where he reached the final. It's not a hugely bad record, but nor has he played there enough to get a huge sample that we can condemn him over.

It isn't - by the way - "The Fifth Slam..." :cover

 

[herios]

New career highs:

18. Dominic Thiem 21y
53. Sam Groth 27y
93. Radu Albot 25y

Significant move by Dominic Thiem in the top 20. He shows good prospects to become a top 10 player in the future.

 

[Kirijax]

He's only played there six times, including 2006 and 2007 when he was still developing, and 2009, when he was way off the pace after his injury. What are we left with? 2010, where he reached the final, 2011, where he was abysmal, and 2013, where he reached the final. It's not a hugely bad record, but nor has he played there enough to get a huge sample that we can condemn him over.

It isn't - by the way - "The Fifth Slam..." :cover

Well, it should be!

 

[Kieran]

He's only played there six times, including 2006 and 2007 when he was still developing, and 2009, when he was way off the pace after his injury. What are we left with? 2010, where he reached the final, 2011, where he was abysmal, and 2013, where he reached the final. It's not a hugely bad record, but nor has he played there enough to get a huge sample that we can condemn him over.

It isn't - by the way - "The Fifth Slam..." :cover

Well, it should be!

If it was, he'd already have one.

 

[DarthFed]

He's only played there six times, including 2006 and 2007 when he was still developing, and 2009, when he was way off the pace after his injury. What are we left with? 2010, where he reached the final, 2011, where he was abysmal, and 2013, where he reached the final. It's not a hugely bad record, but nor has he played there enough to get a huge sample that we can condemn him over.

It isn't - by the way - "The Fifth Slam..." :cover

Not winning one is the definition of hugely bad.

 

[Front242]

The Nadal fan overreaction continues. Way off the pace at the WTF after his injury in 2009? Er yeah, reached the semis of the USO the moment he came back from this devastating knee injury. Give me a break. The reality is just that he's historically been pure sh1te come indoor season and nothing else.

 

[DarthFed]

^ And he made a couple finals in the Fall that year too. His form was crap in the YEC in part because...he isn't that good indoors and he faced the likes of a red hot Davydenko, Sod and Nole.

 

[Kieran]

Heh heh. You's boys are obsessed about Rafa. This is a rankings thread...

 

[Front242]

Heh heh. You's boys are obsessed about Rafa. This is a rankings thread...

We were replying to your post here http://www.tennisfrontier.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=563&pid=202772#pid202772

 

[Kieran]

Heh heh. You's boys are obsessed about Rafa. This is a rankings thread...

We were replying to your post here http://www.tennisfrontier.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=563&pid=202772#pid202772

You were obsessing...

 

[DarthFed]

Heh heh. You's boys are obsessed about Rafa. This is a rankings thread...

I take this to mean you sort of kind of agree with my last reply but don't want to admit it. Rafa equaled his best result at the time at the 2009 USO and then made a couple finals in the Fall which is usually the best you can hope from him. He lost to a few guys with nearly as good (Soderling) or much better (Davy and Nole) games indoors than he's ever had.

 

[Kieran]

Heh heh. You's boys are obsessed about Rafa. This is a rankings thread...

I take this to mean you sort of kind of agree with my last reply but don't want to admit it. Rafa equaled his best result at the time at the 2009 USO and then made a couple finals in the Fall which is usually the best you can hope from him. He lost to a few guys with nearly as good (Soderling) or much better (Davy and Nole) games indoors than he's ever had.

Nope, I don't agree with it at all. It took him until clay 2010 to finally beat a top 10 player after his return from injury for the US hards in 2009. He took his time getting back up to speed, kinda like now in fact. But I said that earlier on, as you saw...

 

[Kirijax]

Whatever the reason, for a player of Nadal's caliber to have never won the WTF is pretty amazing. This isn't called obsession. It's called fascination. We may say the same thing about Djokovic's failure to win the French some day but he still has 2 or 3 more chances. At this point in his career, Nadal winning the WTF will be like Berdych or Ferrer winning a Slam.

 

[the AntiPusher]

I can understand Nadal fans wanting to minimize the WTF since Nadal has never won it, but the WTF is the fifth slam and gaining in significance and importance every year. It's a bit amazing that Nadal has never won it. It will definitely be a black mark on his career if he finishes without a single win. almost every player with six+ slams has won the thing at least once. At least he has company with Wilander.

Federer: 6
Nadal: 0
Sampras: 4
Borg: 2
Djokovic: 4
Connors: 1
Lendl: 5
Agassi: 1
McEnroe: 3
Wilander: 0
Edberg: 1
Becker: 3

the WTF is no Damn 5th slam, IW and Miami's events are more prestigious than this end of the year round robin event.IMO

 

[Kieran]

I can't help but feel that if Rafa retired tomorrow, we'd struggle for conversation on this board...

 

[DarthFed]

^ Some of us would be too hungover from partying, some would be too hungover from drinking their vamos tears away.

 

[Kirijax]

I can understand Nadal fans wanting to minimize the WTF since Nadal has never won it, but the WTF is the fifth slam and gaining in significance and importance every year. It's a bit amazing that Nadal has never won it. It will definitely be a black mark on his career if he finishes without a single win. almost every player with six+ slams has won the thing at least once. At least he has company with Wilander.

Federer: 6
Nadal: 0
Sampras: 4
Borg: 2
Djokovic: 4
Connors: 1
Lendl: 5
Agassi: 1
McEnroe: 3
Wilander: 0
Edberg: 1
Becker: 3

the WTF is no Damn 5th slam, IW and Miami's events are more prestigious than this end of the year round robin event.IMO

Nah. The WTF is bigger than the Masters. IMO

 

[DarthFed]

I can understand Nadal fans wanting to minimize the WTF since Nadal has never won it, but the WTF is the fifth slam and gaining in significance and importance every year. It's a bit amazing that Nadal has never won it. It will definitely be a black mark on his career if he finishes without a single win. almost every player with six+ slams has won the thing at least once. At least he has company with Wilander.

Federer: 6
Nadal: 0
Sampras: 4
Borg: 2
Djokovic: 4
Connors: 1
Lendl: 5
Agassi: 1
McEnroe: 3
Wilander: 0
Edberg: 1
Becker: 3

the WTF is no Damn 5th slam, IW and Miami's events are more prestigious than this end of the year round robin event.IMO

I highly doubt any player would prefer winning an MS event over winning the YEC. There are 9 MS events, all have less points, less money and yes, less prestige than YEC.

 

[GameSetAndMath]

I do not find it "amazing" at all that Nadal has not won the WTF in his career. It was a bad timing for him, to play this event in the Fedovic era, when those two, Roger and Nole won 10 of them leaving not much room at all to anyone else.
The only time when Fedovic came up lame, 2009, Rafa came up even lamer than usual, suffering 3 defeats.
He is just simply not that as good indoors, he will always be a dark horse in that event.

I do. For a player who has 14 slams to never have won the WTF even once is pretty amazing, unbelievable and dismal.

Already. I don't

Well, both of you are right. If someone from the future who has never seen Rafa play, it would certainly look puzzling to them. They would be wondering as to how come someone who has 14 slams has never won WTF.

But, for us who have seen Rafa play indoors, it is not surprising at all. The bounce being low does not help either. Other players can take the ball on the rise much better in indoor courts. Also, you don't have time to get in the groove by beating nobodies in the world at WTF. You have to hit the ground running.