The Rankings Thread (ATP)

[GameSetAndMath]

OK, due to popular demand, I computed.

In order for Rafa to get back to top 4 in time for RG seeding, he needs to win Rome, and neither Berdych nor Kei should reach SF (or better).

Assuming Nole can stop Kei in quarters, only Federer can save Rafa by beating Berdych in quarters.
Now, all Nadalites should beg for mercy from the Mastero.

We are grateful for his mercy, and we hope that Rafa can thank him in person tomorrow, in the usual way...

Maestro is so magnanimous that he may refuse to accept thank you note for such small deeds.

 

[Kieran]

OK, due to popular demand, I computed.

In order for Rafa to get back to top 4 in time for RG seeding, he needs to win Rome, and neither Berdych nor Kei should reach SF (or better).

Assuming Nole can stop Kei in quarters, only Federer can save Rafa by beating Berdych in quarters.
Now, all Nadalites should beg for mercy from the Mastero.

We are grateful for his mercy, and we hope that Rafa can thank him in person tomorrow, in the usual way...

Maestro is so magnanimous that he may refuse to accept thank you note for such small deeds.

Rafa is so insistent, that the maestro maybe forced to accept it...

 

[Denis]

We are grateful for his mercy, and we hope that Rafa can thank him in person tomorrow, in the usual way...

Maestro is so magnanimous that he may refuse to accept thank you note for such small deeds.

Rafa is so insistent, that the maestro maybe forced to accept it...

Turns out Rafa is not as polite as we thought....

Drops another 420 points, where will he be in the rankings now?

 

[herios]

Maestro is so magnanimous that he may refuse to accept thank you note for such small deeds.

Rafa is so insistent, that the maestro maybe forced to accept it...

Turns out Rafa is not as polite as we thought....

Drops another 420 points, where will he be in the rankings now?

He remains where he was. 7th ranked. Or wait, he could drop to 8, If Ferrer passes him. David will need to upset Nole first.

 

[Denis]

Rafa is so insistent, that the maestro maybe forced to accept it...

Turns out Rafa is not as polite as we thought....

Drops another 420 points, where will he be in the rankings now?

He remains where he was. 7th ranked. Or wait, he could drop to 8, If Ferrer passes him. David will need to upset Nole first.

Ok 7th ranked then. He will need to win the French to maintain a top 8 ranking at Wimbledon.

 

[TennisFanatic7]

Trying to read into what might happen if Rafa doesn't win in Paris. It seems nearly impossible that he will fall out of the top ten even with a very early loss, and after that he has very few points to defend until the end of the year so in terms of seedings he's very unlikely to have to worry about slipping out of the top 8 for any of the big tournaments between now and December.

I think, although live-tennis hasn't updated for the last two rounds of Rome, that Berdych is now guaranteed to be the 4th seed in Paris. Nadal is guaranteed top 8 because even if Stan wins Rome, he won't get more points than Rafa. Same goes for Ferrer, whose win this evening leaves him out of Stan's reach.

Of course, this could all become academic anyway if Raonic doesn't return from injury in time to take his place as #6 or #7 seed, in which case Rafa, Daveed and Stanimal will all be in the 5-8 bracket.

 

[herios]

New career highs:


4. Tomas Berdych 29y
18. David Goffin 24y
83. Tomasi Kokkinakis 19y
85. Alexander Zverev 18y
91. Lucas Pouille 21y


This week marks Tomas getting to #4, making him the sixth player this year to occupy that spot:
Wawrinka, Murray, Nishikori, Nadal, and Raonic all exchanged hands over that spot.

Zverev is the new player to join the top 100 this week and he is the youngest as well.

 

[Fiero425]

New career highs:


4. Tomas Berdych 29y
18. David Goffin 24y
83. Tomasi Kokkinakis 19y
85. Alexander Zverev 18y
91. Lucas Pouille 21y


This week marks Tomas getting to #4, making him the sixth player this year to occupy that spot:
Wawrinka, Murray, Nishikori, Nadal, and Raonic all exchanged hands over that spot.

Zverev is the new player to join the top 100 this week and he is the youngest as well.

I'm glad FO emphatically stated seeding with go as is; no manipulation! Congrats Tomas; "take advanatage of it while ya got it!" It won't take long for the rankings to flip again; esp. with Milos and Kei prowling undercover! :angel: :dodgy:

 

[tented]

New rankings for Monday, May 18, 2015.

 

[Fiero425]

New rankings for Monday, May 18, 2015.

I still find it amazing Nadal is in the top 10, much less #7! Players barely in the top 50 have been more impressive and have done more; sorta like #30 Kyrgios! It's either going to turn around quickly after Wimbledon with a summer surge or he's going to fall out of the top 20! :eyepop :nono :angel: :dodgy:

 

[GameSetAndMath]

If Rafa does not win RG outright, he is guaranteed to be thrown out of top 8.
This is independent of how deep he goes there and how other players perform.
If you want details, read on:

1. Novak is way ahead of everyone that even if he loses in the first round he will be way ahead of
everyone, including Rafa, after RG.
2. If Rafa does not win RG outright, he will lose at least 800 points (2000 for winning last
year - 1200 best case scenario of runner up this year).
3. As last year's final was between Rafa and Novak, all other players can lose a maximum
of 720 points only (SF points are 720). So, those who are currently ahead of Rafa will
contine to be ahead of Rafa (even if they lose in the first round) as long as Rafa does not win RG.
4. Ferrer, the current #8, has only 360 points (quarterfinal) to defend. Even if he loses
in the first round, he will move ahead of Rafa, in case Rafa cannot win RG as Rafa leads
him by just 80 points.
5. Stan, the current #9, lost in the 1st round of RG last year. Hence, he has nothing
to defend. So, even if he loses in the first round, he will move ahead of Rafa as long
as Rafa does not win RG since Rafa leads him by only 725 points now.
6. With the six players ahead of Rafa, continuing to remain ahead and Ferrer and Stan
surpassing, Rafa will drop down to at least 9 if he does not win RG outright.

 

[Kieran]

I love the highlighted use of words. Actually, he won't be thrown out of anywhere...

 

[Puppet Master]

Lol GSM I am surprised you didn't post what his ranking would be if he lost in R1, and it's not that you got something wrong or anything like that, but you are rattling the cage now.

 

[herios]

Lol GSM I am surprised you didn't post what his ranking would be if he lost in R1, and it's not that you got something wrong or anything like that, but you are rattling the cage now.

Will he play Darcis in R1?

 

[Kieran]

Lol GSM I am surprised you didn't post what his ranking would be if he lost in R1, and it's not that you got something wrong or anything like that, but you are rattling the cage now.

It's the faded echo of a lost war...

 

[Puppet Master]

Lol GSM I am surprised you didn't post what his ranking would be if he lost in R1, and it's not that you got something wrong or anything like that, but you are rattling the cage now.

Will he play Darcis in R1?

We'll see the draw but I imagine it will be someone a bit more troublesome than Darcis, at least on clay. He could even face the Australian menace very early, like R2 or R1 even. :nono

 

[herios]

Lol GSM I am surprised you didn't post what his ranking would be if he lost in R1, and it's not that you got something wrong or anything like that, but you are rattling the cage now.

Will he play Darcis in R1?

We'll see the draw but I imagine it will be someone a bit more troublesome than Darcis, at least on clay. He could even face the Australian menace very early, like R2 or R1 even. :nono

Kyrgios? He cannot meet him before R3, Nick is seeded.

 

[Puppet Master]

But that is still relatively early, that is what I'm trying to say.

 

[herios]

Let's stop speculating on the ranking thread regarding the RG draw outcome. There is the RG thread for such discussion.

 

[tented]

Let's stop speculating on the ranking thread regarding the RG draw outcome. There is the RG thread for such discussion.

Exactly. Thanks, Herios.

I moved these posts to "The Early French Open Thread"

This is one of the few threads we've worked hard to keep on topic, to discuss one thing and one thing only: Rankings.

There are countless other threads to discuss other topics, and if one doesn't exist for a topic you have in mind, create a new one.

Thank you.