The Rankings Thread (ATP)

[Kieran]

Let's face it, none of the guys on that list are ever going to inspire future greats. American tennis has now become the same as Australian tennis from the mid-seventies to now. John Newcombe was their last true great, and since then Australia has thrown out a few occasionals, but no-one permanent. The old order is now totally in decline, and Sweden in the 70's and 80's is the example of how great players are coming from places you would least expect, as we've seen more recently with Switzerland and Serbia...

 

[herios]

Let's face it, none of the guys on that list are ever going to inspire future greats. American tennis has now become the same as Australian tennis from the mid-seventies to now. John Newcombe was their last true great, and since then Australia has thrown out a few occasionals, but no-one permanent.

Some countries would be absolutely thrilled to have an "occasional" Cash, Rafter or Hewitt coming their ranking or on the horizon.
USA is among them surely. They got excited for Donald Young or Ryan Harrison.

 

[JesuslookslikeBorg]

I don't understand all the hype and excitement that Donald 'jaunty angled hat' Young used to generate..and still does it fact,

hardly a world ever about sam querrey, and he was floating around the World top20 as usa no1 for a bit.

 

[herios]

Two players have reached this week new career highs:

80. Bradley Klahn (USA) 23y old
92. Jesse Huta Galung (Netherlands) 28y.

 

[Fiero425]

Let's face it, none of the guys on that list are ever going to inspire future greats. American tennis has now become the same as Australian tennis from the mid-seventies to now. John Newcombe was their last true great, and since then Australia has thrown out a few occasionals, but no-one permanent.

Some countries would be absolutely thrilled to have an "occasional" Cash, Rafter or Hewitt coming their ranking or on the horizon.
USA is among them surely. They got excited for Donald Young or Ryan Harrison.

I can't imagine why? Neither have a real weapon against the top ranked players! You have to be able to upset someone to make it anywhere near the top and neither of these guys have it! Querry and Isner at least can serve from "on high!" These other guys would be no more intimidating than a Mal Washington, Todd Martin, or Tim Mayotte! Am I dating myself a little there? :snigger :laydownlaughing :angel:

 

[herios]

Let's face it, none of the guys on that list are ever going to inspire future greats. American tennis has now become the same as Australian tennis from the mid-seventies to now. John Newcombe was their last true great, and since then Australia has thrown out a few occasionals, but no-one permanent.

Some countries would be absolutely thrilled to have an "occasional" Cash, Rafter or Hewitt coming their ranking or on the horizon.
USA is among them surely. They got excited for Donald Young or Ryan Harrison.

I can't imagine why? Neither have a real weapon against the top ranked players! You have to be able to upset someone to make it anywhere near the top and neither of these guys have it! Querry and Isner at least can serve from "on high!" These other guys would be no more intimidating than a Mal Washington, Todd Martin, or Tim Mayotte! Am I dating myself a little there? :snigger :laydownlaughing :angel:

I really doubt they will come close to those guys accomplishments who you just mentioned either.

 

[tented]

Two players have reached this week new career highs:

80. Bradley Klahn (USA) 23y old

Great news for Klahn. :clap I hope he can continue the upwards trajectory.


Also, thank you, Herios, for continuing to alert us of these weekly changes.

 

[Moxie]

I know we have to wait for the Monday rankings, but Leonardo Mayer could reach a career best, or close, and Daniel Evans certainly will.

 

[JesuslookslikeBorg]

david evans (is that his name ?)..is british no2 and a career high world rank of 123. at age 23.

 

[GameSetAndMath]

Ranking pre-alert: If JMDP does not win Rotterdam, he is guaranteed to fall to 5
and might have to remain there for IW and Miami two important tournaments where
it would be nice for him to have the seeding benefit of being in top 4.

 

[herios]

I know we have to wait for the Monday rankings, but Leonardo Mayer could reach a career best, or close, and Daniel Evans certainly will.

Mayer did not manage a new career high despite jumping 33 ranking spots, he would have needed to win it all in Chile.

Here are the guys who have a new career high as of this week:

14. Fabio Fognini 26y
Major improvement from a year ago, when he was 44;

35. Edouard Roger-Vasselin 30y old
He is on an amazing ascendence from 100 ranked a year ago at such an age

67. Bradley Khlan 23y
He is now the 3rd ranked american player. Worth to mention he just turned pro 2 years ago.

91. Jesse Huta Galung 28y
99. Dusan Lajovic 23y - 4th serbian in the top 100

 

[isabelle]

Benneteau'll slip on rankings next week

 

[herios]

Ranking pre-alert: If JMDP does not win Rotterdam, he is guaranteed to fall to 5
and might have to remain there for IW and Miami two important tournaments where
it would be nice for him to have the seeding benefit of being in top 4.

Delpo will now drop out of the top 4 due to the defeat to Gulbis. I mentioned how tight the race will be in the 3-8 range, lots of joggling for positions o be expected.

 

[GameSetAndMath]

3 to 8 will be a musical chair for the rest of the year among themselves. There is also
the possibility one or two new people squeaking in, although it would be very tough for
them.

Ferru gets into #4 spot now. He can at the most hold till FO (even that is difficult),
He cannot reach finals of FO again and so will drop to below 4 after FO.

 

[Front242]

Ranking pre-alert: If JMDP does not win Rotterdam, he is guaranteed to fall to 5
and might have to remain there for IW and Miami two important tournaments where
it would be nice for him to have the seeding benefit of being in top 4.

Delpo will now drop out of the top 4 due to the defeat to Gulbis. I mentioned how tight the race will be in the 3-8 range, loys of joggling for positions o be expected.

That was the most undeserved jump in rankings I've seen in years anyway! Lost in R64 at the AO and went to his highest ranking ever. Nonsense. Out of the top 4 is where he belongs based on results.

 

[herios]

Ranking pre-alert: If JMDP does not win Rotterdam, he is guaranteed to fall to 5
and might have to remain there for IW and Miami two important tournaments where
it would be nice for him to have the seeding benefit of being in top 4.

Delpo will now drop out of the top 4 due to the defeat to Gulbis. I mentioned how tight the race will be in the 3-8 range, loys of joggling for positions o be expected.

That was the most undeserved jump in rankings I've seen in years anyway! Lost in R64 at the AO and went to his highest ranking ever. Nonsense. Out of the top 4 is where he belongs based on results.

I disagree. That is why you have smaller events as well, to play them thus accumulate points. He did that and he added to his tally. Not his fault that the others either missed them or underperformed there.

 

[JesuslookslikeBorg]

Ranking pre-alert: If JMDP does not win Rotterdam, he is guaranteed to fall to 5
and might have to remain there for IW and Miami two important tournaments where
it would be nice for him to have the seeding benefit of being in top 4.

Delpo will now drop out of the top 4 due to the defeat to Gulbis. I mentioned how tight the race will be in the 3-8 range, loys of joggling for positions o be expected.

That was the most undeserved jump in rankings I've seen in years anyway! Lost in R64 at the AO and went to his highest ranking ever. Nonsense. Out of the top 4 is where he belongs based on results.

no..based on results he is in the top 4.

that's why he was there..his ranking of 4 WAS based on results. :idea:

 

[Front242]

Actually it was mostly down to the others falling that propelled him up, otherwise there was no way he was world number 3. Not his fault, but just saying, that's the only reason as his results didn't gain him many points as much as the ones ahead of him lost points.

Basically, whenever I see someone jump up a good bit in the rankings I find it a lot more impressive if they got there by way of gaining loads of points rather than the players ahead of them losing a truckload.

Again, not his fault it worked out this way as that's how the ranking system works, but he didn't impress me anywhere near enough last year to have legitimately been world number 3 which of course he no longer is. Apart from Shanghai towards the end of last year and Wimbledon he didn't do much.

 

[JesuslookslikeBorg]

no one gets points for being injured..people are where they should be in the rank charts.

everyone deserves to be where ever it is they are, no one goes 'up' the rank without anotherplayer 'falling'..but thanks for pointing out how the rank charts work. most illuminating.

its del potro's fault he is 4 and not his fault if the other players who you think are so wonderful are behind him.

 

[Front242]

Well you're a big Murray fan and obviously Murray has slipped due to his surgery and downtime but tell me if you honestly think Del Potro has done anything of much note besides his Wimbledon semi and his great performance in Shanghai? Besides that you'd nearly have to go back to 2009 since he's done anything much. So the wonderful players behind him would be Murray, obviously, and most of the others behind him have performed much better all year than he has. They just underperformed at the AO which is where all the shifting in the rankings occurred. I already said it's not his fault he's ranked number 4, simply that I don't think he's playing consistently well enough to justify that ranking.

I'm no fan of Ferrer but he has performed a whole lot better than Del Potro all last year and is now ranked behind him because of points lost just recently but overall you'd have to say Ferrer seemed a more deserving number four than Del Potro based on his year.

Anyway, the rankings are gonna change up a lot the next few months so he won't be there long. He's already world number 5 in the live rankings and Ferret has hopped back over him from the branch he was sitting on.