The Rankings Thread (ATP)

[MargaretMcAleer]

On the live rankings, he's still at #5, but he's only 295 points behind Tsitsipas at #4. @rafanoy1992 is the one who knows how to do the complicated math on what happens when all of last year's AO points fall off, because it was played later last year. Remember it was Tsitsipas who knocked Rafa out last year, so maybe they switch places? Does Medvedev still go to #1 in 3 weeks?

Thanks

 

[rafanoy1992]

On the live rankings, he's still at #5, but he's only 295 points behind Tsitsipas at #4. @rafanoy1992 is the one who knows how to do the complicated math on what happens when all of last year's AO points fall off, because it was played later last year. Remember it was Tsitsipas who knocked Rafa out last year, so maybe they switch places? Does Medvedev still go to #1 in 3 weeks?

Medvedev can be become World Number 1 by February 21st, but he has to win a 500 level title before that specific date.

As for Nadal, he will overtake Tsitsipas in the rankings on the week 21st, however, he is defending 500 points from Acapulco on the same week, so if he decides to rest his body, he is back to number 5 the following week.

 

[JesuslookslikeBorg]

Man, the rankings are a mess but I figured it out.

So, Djokovic will lose his 2,000 points on January 31, 2022. He will be 9,015 points on that day.

On other hand, Medvedev will not drop his 1,200 points from 2021 until February 21, 2022. The reason for this is because he gained more points in 2021 (1,200) than in 2020 (180 points), therefore his 2021 points will be drop at a later date.

PS: Remember 2021 Australian Open started three weeks later than usual due to the pandemic.

In conclusion, Medvedev will be the new number 1 player in the world on January 31, 2022 as long he reaches the QF of the 2022 AO (even if Zverev wins the title). However, he can lose the spot on either February 7th or February 21, 2022 if he does not win the title.

Here are the scenarios for Medvedev to become world number 1:

January 31st date: reaches QF (this is guaranteed)

Like I said above: He will lose the number number 1 ranking on either February 7th or February 21st to either Djokovic or Zverev if does not win the title.

Now, Zverev can become number 1 player in the world in either three different dates: January 31, February 7 or February 21. It all depends on what Medvedev does in the same tournament.

Here are the scenarios for Zverev to become world number 1:

January 31st date: Wins title AND Medvedev loses before QF

February 7th date: Wins title AND Medvedev has SF appearance

February 21st date: Wins title

Basically, Zverev becomes number 1 player in the world as long he wins the title.

it is 3am so i dunno whats going on..
but atp have jan31st rank charts out and djoko is still no1. ??.

 

[kskate2]

it is 3am so i dunno whats going on..
but atp have jan31st rank charts out and djoko is still no1. ??.

@rafanoy1992 did a wonderful job of explaining what would happen with the rankings of the top players. See below:

I re-studied how the rankings for the Australian Open works in 2022 and it is ABYSMAL, I will tell you. But before all of that, I want to re-clarify something first: Both Medvedev and Zverev can become number 1 if either one of them wins the AO title, it is a fact. Now, if either one of them does win the AO title, then they can't become number 1 officially until February 21, 2022. I will explain why below

I will try my best to simplify the AWFUL ranking computation for the Australian Open in 2022, by the way, the rankings ONLY applies to the players that played from the 2020 AND 2021, so here it goes:

Scenario 1: If the player has the same result in both 2020 AND 2021

First specific example: Djokovic - he won the titles in 2020 and 2021, but he is not playing in 2022 so he will lose 2,000 points. Now, the question is when he will lose those 2,000 points? The answer is February 21, 2022. The reason for that is because 2021 AO started three weeks later, so because he will have a lower result in 2022 than in 2021, his points won't drop until February 21, 2022.

Basically, Djokovic will be at 11,015 points until February 21st. So, he gets to stay at number 1 for three weeks assuming neither Medvedev nor Zverev does not win the AO title.

The above scenario does not only apply to Djokovic but to the players that will have a lower result in 2022 compared to 2020/2021.

Second specific example: Nadal - he finished QF in both 2020 and 2021. He is actually playing the 2022 AO so he can add points for the weeks of January 31st, 2022 until the week of February 14th, 2022.

Let's say Nadal reached the 4th round and lost in that round, he will then get 180 points added to his ranking:

4875 + 180 points = 5,055 points from January 31st to February 20th

Then, he will lose the 360 points from 2020/2021 AO results on February 21st, therefore his rankings points will be 4,695 points on February 21st.

Scenario 2: If the player had a higher result in 2021 than in 2020

It is basically like the Nadal specific scenario. Let's use Medvedev as an example in this scenario:

If Medvedev wins the AO title, then

8935 + 2,000 points = 10,935 points from January 31st to February 20th

Then, on February 21st, the 2021 AO points will drop therefore, his ranking points will be 9735 (will still be higher than Djokovic at this date).

*He will actually drop 500 points from last year's ATP Cup (2021) so if he wins the AO title, then he will be at 9,235 and Djokovic will be at 8,875 because he will also drop points from last year's ATP Cup.*

Last scenario: If the player had a higher result in 2020 than in 2021

I will use Zverev as a primary example in this scenario. His scenario is different than the first two scenarios.

He is actually truly defending his points, therefore if he does loses points, then the points will drop on January 31st NOT on February 21st. The good thing though is that Zverev is not defending 720 points (2020 results), but he is only defending the difference between 2020 AND 2021 results, therefore he is only defending 360 points in 2022. In this case, he can gain HUGE amount of points OR lose SMALL amount of points.

If Zverev wins the AO title then

7,970 (before the Australian Open 2022) - 370 points (the difference between his 2020 and 2021 results) + 2000 points = 9,600 points

Those 9,600 points will be official on January 31st and no points will be dropped on February 21st due to Zverev having a higher 2020 results than 2021.

 

[rafanoy1992]

The only way Medvedev becomes World Number 1 is if he wins a 500 tour event. He is schedule to play Rotterdam which is a 500 tour event. If he wins the title, he is the new world 1 player on February 21st.

 

[JesuslookslikeBorg]

apart from being to tired ro poast last time, also forgot that ao2021 was 3 weeks later.

 

[Moxie]

I just looked at the live rankings, and Medvedev is up at #1, but that's not official, that's just the points going off. Depends on what happens this week, I guess?

 

[rafanoy1992]

It will be official this upcoming Monday: Daniil Medvedev will be the new world number 1! He is the first male player to be ranked number 1 in the world outside of the Big Four since February 2004.

 

[Moxie]

It will be official this upcoming Monday: Daniil Medvedev will be the new world number 1! He is the first male player to be ranked number 1 in the world outside of the Big Four since February 2004.

I'm going to shout out @Front242, because he picked him to be the next new #1 back in 2019 after the USO.

 

[tented]

I'm going to shout out @Front242, because he picked him to be the next new #1 back in 2019 after the USO.

Right, I’d forgotten about that, but @Front242 did pick him. There’s been talk for years who would be the next non-Big Three no. 1, and Front got it right.

 

[Jelenafan]

It's going to be interesting how Medvedev does during the claycourt swing. Last year he passed a mental hurdle when he won his very first FO match and made it to the QF's at Roland Garros. So was that the aberration or will he finally get a decent clay court season going? if so he will be tough to surpass because as we know the fall/Winter HC season is his bread & butter.

 

[MargaretMcAleer]

Rafanoy 1992,

If you are around,is it true that Novak Djokovic will get back his No 1 ranking on the 14thof March,due to Medvedev dropping points from Marseille?
then it will depend on what happens in Indian Wells.

 

[rafanoy1992]

Rafanoy 1992,

If you are around,is it true that Novak Djokovic will get back his No 1 ranking on the 14thof March,due to Medvedev dropping points from Marseille?
then it will depend on what happens in Indian Wells.

Yes, you are correct that Djokovic will re-gain the number 1 ranking on week of March 14th due to Medvedev dropping points from Marseille.

Now, in order for Medvedev to be ranked number 1 on the week of March 21st, he has to reach the QF of IW this year.

So, on the week of March 14th, here are the points as follow:

Djokovic: 8,465
Medvedev: 8,365

If Medvedev reach the QF of IW, then here are the points as follow on the week of March 21st:

Medvedev: 8,535
Djokovic: 8,465

 

[MargaretMcAleer]

Yes, you are correct that Djokovic will re-gain the number 1 ranking on week of March 14th due to Medvedev dropping points from Marseille.

Now, in order for Medvedev to be ranked number 1 on the week of March 21st, he has to reach the QF of IW this year.

So, on the week of March 14th, here are the points as follow:

Djokovic: 8,465
Medvedev: 8,365

If Medvedev reach the QF of IW, then here are the points as follow on the week of March 21st:

Medvedev: 8,535
Djokovic: 8,465

Thanks for the clarification

 

[Moxie]

Rafa moves into #4 over Tsitsipas.

 

[Fiero425]

Rafanoy 1992,

If you are around, is it true that Novak Djokovic will get back his #1 ranking on the 14th of March, due to Medvedev dropping points from Marseille?
Then it will depend on what happens in Indian Wells.

Well that didn't last long! Medvedev got 3 weeks out of it anyway! Only Moya and Rafter held it for less time at 2 and 1 week respectively! A-Rod (13 weeks) was the last one to hold the #1 ranking outside of the Big 4 who ruled for almost 20 solid years! This kind of domination might never again happen as in past generations well before the Open Era! It probably won't happen again; at least in my lifetime!

 

[MargaretMcAleer]

Rafanoy if you are around

Rafa does go to No 3 with his s/final win....how many more points does he get if he wins the final at IW

 

[Fiero425]

Rafanoy if you are around

Rafa does go to No 3 with his s/final win....how many more points does he get if he wins the final at IW

According to the Live Tennis Rankings, Rafa will max out with 400 more points if he wins tomorrow! He'll solidly be in 3rd with 7515 pts.!

 

[MargaretMcAleer]

According to the Live Tennis Rankings, Rafa will max out with 400 more points if he wins tomorrow! He'll solidly be in 3rd with 7515 pts.!

Thanks...

 

[the AntiPusher]

As long as tomorrow doesn't turn into a bad matchup against sudden Sam Quarry.. I'm confident Rafa will win easily