The Rankings Thread (ATP)

[Mile]

I'm not sure what you're asking by "least tours," but here are two things that might answer your questions:

Years at #1
Roger (9): 2004-10, 2012, 2018
Rafa (10): 2008-11, 2013-14, 2017-20
Novak (10): 2011-16, 2018-21

Week Spans at #1
Roger: 237, 48, 17, 6
Rafa: 46, 56, 39, 26, 6, 4, 19, 13
Novak: 53, 48, 122, 52, 7, 66

Oh wait, I think you mean fewest tournaments, yes? Not sure, but maybe. When Roger reached #1 in June of 2018, he had played only 12 tournaments in the last 52 weeks:

2017: Wimbledon, Canada, US Open, Shanghai, Basel, Tour Finals, 2018: AO, Rotterdam, Indian Wells, Miami, Stuttgart, Halle

You see it wont work: Fed in 2013 played 13 tours, in any case he ended year as No.2

2017 Roger Federer tennis season - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

In 2018 he edned as 3rd. Not even checking tours.

 

[El Dude]

You see it wont work: Fed in 2013 played 13 tours, in any case he ended year as No.2

2017 Roger Federer tennis season - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

In 2018 he edned as 3rd. Not even checking tours.

So you're only interested in YE #1? Then I'd just look up every year end #1 and how many tournaments they played that year - should take you only 10 minutes. But if you're interested in a player's rise to #1, my method gives a better sense of how they got there--what it took in terms of tournaments played. YE1 doesn't necessarily tell you how they got to #1, just how they maintained it or happened to be there at the end of the year.

 

[Mile]

So you're only interested in YE #1? Then I'd just look up every year end #1 and how many tournaments they played that year - should take you only 10 minutes. But if you're interested in a player's rise to #1, my method gives a better sense of how they got there--what it took in terms of tournaments played. YE1 doesn't necessarily tell you how they got to #1, just how they maintained it or happened to be there at the end of the year.

Yes, i was thinking on that, to maintain on Year end as No.1 with fewest tours. I will try to find. But Djokers 14 is really good match. I wont calculate 2020 since Covid canceled many.

 

[Fiero425]

Nobpdy's looking at this? Novak loses his 2000 pts which kept him well ahead of Daniil! Now what? Will Medvedev be the new #1 shortly?

 

[Moxie]

Nobpdy's looking at this? Novak loses his 2000 pts which kept him well ahead of Daniil! Now what? Will Medvedev be the new #1 shortly?

Actually, it has been discussed on other threads. I haven't done the math, but both Medvedev or Zverev could become the new #1 immediately or soon, if they win the AO. Novak put more than a few things on the line by adhering to his anti-vaccination position. (And I don't mean that politically. Just saying...he made a choice, and it has consequences.)

 

[rafanoy1992]

Man, the rankings are a mess but I figured it out.

So, Djokovic will lose his 2,000 points on January 31, 2022. He will be 9,015 points on that day.

On other hand, Medvedev will not drop his 1,200 points from 2021 until February 21, 2022. The reason for this is because he gained more points in 2021 (1,200) than in 2020 (180 points), therefore his 2021 points will be drop at a later date.

PS: Remember 2021 Australian Open started three weeks later than usual due to the pandemic.

In conclusion, Medvedev will be the new number 1 player in the world on January 31, 2022 as long he reaches the QF of the 2022 AO (even if Zverev wins the title). However, he can lose the spot on either February 7th or February 21, 2022 if he does not win the title.

Here are the scenarios for Medvedev to become world number 1:

January 31st date: reaches QF (this is guaranteed)

Like I said above: He will lose the number number 1 ranking on either February 7th or February 21st to either Djokovic or Zverev if does not win the title.

Now, Zverev can become number 1 player in the world in either three different dates: January 31, February 7 or February 21. It all depends on what Medvedev does in the same tournament.

Here are the scenarios for Zverev to become world number 1:

January 31st date: Wins title AND Medvedev loses before QF

February 7th date: Wins title AND Medvedev has SF appearance

February 21st date: Wins title

Basically, Zverev becomes number 1 player in the world as long he wins the title.

 

[tented]

Man, the rankings are a mess but I figured it out.

So, Djokovic will lose his 2,000 points on January 31, 2022. He will be 9,015 points on that day.

On other hand, Medvedev will not drop his 1,200 points from 2021 until February 21, 2022. The reason for this is because he gained more points in 2021 (1,200) than in 2020 (180 points), therefore his 2021 points will be drop at a later date.

PS: Remember 2021 Australian Open started three weeks later than usual due to the pandemic.

In conclusion, Medvedev will be the new number 1 player in the world on January 31, 2022 as long he reaches the QF of the 2022 AO (even if Zverev wins the title). However, he can lose the spot on either February 7th or February 21, 2022 if he does not win the title.

Here are the scenarios for Medvedev to become world number 1:

January 31st date: reaches QF (this is guaranteed)

Like I said above: He will lose the number number 1 ranking on either February 7th or February 21st to either Djokovic or Zverev if does not win the title.

Now, Zverev can become number 1 player in the world in either three different dates: January 31, February 7 or February 21. It all depends on what Medvedev does in the same tournament.

Here are the scenarios for Zverev to become world number 1:

January 31st date: Wins title AND Medvedev loses before QF

February 7th date: Wins title AND Medvedev has SF appearance

February 21st date: Wins title

Basically, Zverev becomes number 1 player in the world as long he wins the title.

Wow, that was quite the investigation! Thanks.

 

[Moxie]

Yes, @rafanoy1992 thanks for that, as it seems very complicated. Just to press you a bit, it can't all just be about Zverev and Medvedev, but I know they are the only ones within touching distance at this tournament. But so, for Novak to retain his #1 beyond late February, AZ and DM would both how to go out early? Or before QFs?

 

[rafanoy1992]

Yes, @rafanoy1992 thanks for that, as it seems very complicated. Just to press you a bit, it can't all just be about Zverev and Medvedev, but I know they are the only ones within touching distance at this tournament. But so, for Novak to retain his #1 beyond late February, AZ and DM would both how to go out early? Or before QFs?

If neither Medvedev nor Zverev wins the AO title, Djokovic will regain/retain the number 1 ranking after the February 21st date. It is why it is important for both players (Medvedev and Zverev) to win the AO title because they can kill two birds with one stone. Like you said Moxie, if they want to be the next great tennis players, this is the golden opportunity, no excuses!

 

[Moxie]

If neither Medvedev nor Zverev wins the AO title, Djokovic will regain/retain the number 1 ranking after the February 21st date. It is why it is important for both players (Medvedev and Zverev) to win the AO title because they can kill two birds with one stone. Like you said Moxie, if they want to be the next great tennis players, this is the golden opportunity, no excuses!

Thanks for clarifying that. Good point about this being a gigantic opportunity for both players. In their salad days, at least, the Big 3 have rarely missed an opportunity when it presented itself on such a silver platter. We'll see what these guys are made of, because they'll be aware, too. I'm still hoping for Rafa to spoil their party, but, as you say, Medvedev could get #1, regardless. Fascinating to know what is also on the line.

 

[rafanoy1992]

I re-studied how the rankings for the Australian Open works in 2022 and it is ABYSMAL, I will tell you. But before all of that, I want to re-clarify something first: Both Medvedev and Zverev can become number 1 if either one of them wins the AO title, it is a fact. Now, if either one of them does win the AO title, then they can't become number 1 officially until February 21, 2022. I will explain why below

I will try my best to simplify the AWFUL ranking computation for the Australian Open in 2022, by the way, the rankings ONLY applies to the players that played from the 2020 AND 2021, so here it goes:

Scenario 1: If the player has the same result in both 2020 AND 2021

First specific example: Djokovic - he won the titles in 2020 and 2021, but he is not playing in 2022 so he will lose 2,000 points. Now, the question is when he will lose those 2,000 points? The answer is February 21, 2022. The reason for that is because 2021 AO started three weeks later, so because he will have a lower result in 2022 than in 2021, his points won't drop until February 21, 2022.

Basically, Djokovic will be at 11,015 points until February 21st. So, he gets to stay at number 1 for three weeks assuming neither Medvedev nor Zverev does not win the AO title.

The above scenario does not only apply to Djokovic but to the players that will have a lower result in 2022 compared to 2020/2021.

Second specific example: Nadal - he finished QF in both 2020 and 2021. He is actually playing the 2022 AO so he can add points for the weeks of January 31st, 2022 until the week of February 14th, 2022.

Let's say Nadal reached the 4th round and lost in that round, he will then get 180 points added to his ranking:

4875 + 180 points = 5,055 points from January 31st to February 20th

Then, he will lose the 360 points from 2020/2021 AO results on February 21st, therefore his rankings points will be 4,695 points on February 21st.

Scenario 2: If the player had a higher result in 2021 than in 2020

It is basically like the Nadal specific scenario. Let's use Medvedev as an example in this scenario:

If Medvedev wins the AO title, then

8935 + 2,000 points = 10,935 points from January 31st to February 20th

Then, on February 21st, the 2021 AO points will drop therefore, his ranking points will be 9735 (will still be higher than Djokovic at this date).

*He will actually drop 500 points from last year's ATP Cup (2021) so if he wins the AO title, then he will be at 9,235 and Djokovic will be at 8,875 because he will also drop points from last year's ATP Cup.*

Last scenario: If the player had a higher result in 2020 than in 2021

I will use Zverev as a primary example in this scenario. His scenario is different than the first two scenarios.

He is actually truly defending his points, therefore if he does loses points, then the points will drop on January 31st NOT on February 21st. The good thing though is that Zverev is not defending 720 points (2020 results), but he is only defending the difference between 2020 AND 2021 results, therefore he is only defending 360 points in 2022. In this case, he can gain HUGE amount of points OR lose SMALL amount of points.

If Zverev wins the AO title then

7,970 (before the Australian Open 2022) - 370 points (the difference between his 2020 and 2021 results) + 2000 points = 9,600 points

Those 9,600 points will be official on January 31st and no points will be dropped on February 21st due to Zverev having a higher 2020 results than 2021.

 

[Moxie]

OMG, @rafanoy1992, I do not know how you managed to figure that out! My head is reeling just reading it. Kudos to you!

 

[Moxie]

So, just checking @rafanoy1992, since Daniil is in the SFs, does this mean he is guaranteed the #1, win or lose the AO? Or does he still have to win the title? Sorry to lean so heavily on you, but you seem to be the only one to have cracked the code.

 

[rafanoy1992]

So, just checking @rafanoy1992, since Daniil is in the SFs, does this mean he is guaranteed the #1, win or lose the AO? Or does he still have to win the title? Sorry to lean so heavily on you, but you seem to be the only one to have cracked the code.

Very simple for Medvedev: Win the title on Sunday and he will be the new 1 number player in the world. However, he won’t be the number 1 player in the world until February 21st, 2022. The reason for this is because last year’s Australian Open was played three weeks later. Therefore, Djokovic’s 2000 points and Medvedev’s 1200 points from last year won’t drop until that specific date.

 

[Moxie]

Very simple for Medvedev: Win the title on Sunday and he will be the new 1 number player in the world. However, he won’t be the number 1 player in the world until February 21st, 2022. The reason for this is because last year’s Australian Open was played three weeks later. Therefore, Djokovic’s 2000 points and Medvedev’s 1200 points from last year won’t drop until that specific date.

But can he get to #1 without winning the title? On points? I understand that the points drop off later.

 

[rafanoy1992]

But can he get to #1 without winning the title? On points? I understand that the points drop off later.

He can’t because he is “defending” 1,200 points from last year. So, the only way to gain points is to actually win the title.

 

[Moxie]

I looked at the live rankings today, and I see that Thiem has lost 21 places and is at #37. He's going to have a long way back. Lots of other movements, but that one caught my attention.

 

[shawnbm]

Olé, olé, olé

 

[MargaretMcAleer]

With Rafa winning the AO 2022,I still cant believe he won can someone tell me his new ranking please.

 

[Moxie]

With Rafa winning the AO 2022,I still cant believe he won can someone tell me his new ranking please.

On the live rankings, he's still at #5, but he's only 295 points behind Tsitsipas at #4. @rafanoy1992 is the one who knows how to do the complicated math on what happens when all of last year's AO points fall off, because it was played later last year. Remember it was Tsitsipas who knocked Rafa out last year, so maybe they switch places? Does Medvedev still go to #1 in 3 weeks?