The Rankings Thread (ATP)

[Moxie]

Djokovic ranking points before 2021 Rome: 11463. The site awarded him 500 live ranking points from his 2020 Rome win, so his live ranking is 10963 and +/- is -500.
Nadal ranking points before 2021 Rome: 9630. The site didn't add 500 live ranking points for his 2019 Rome win, so he started this tournament at 8630. They list him as having 8720 live ranking points (8630 + 90 3R points) even though he hasn't beaten Sinner (yet). His max points for winning this tournament is listed as 9630 (8720 + 910). Messy site LOL

tl;dr the -910 is for this tournament since they didn't give him anything for his 2019 win. Nadal will be back to 9630 (8720+910) if he wins this tournament.

OMG, I'm so impressed you can make sense of that. (Not that I exactly understand it.) Yes, it's a messy site, but handy.

 

[MargaretMcAleer]

Thanks so much AF ....I will try to understand it....well if I can lol!

 

[GameSetAndMath]

Does anyone know when rankings come back to "normal"?

 

[tennisville]

Does anyone know when rankings come back to "normal"?

They said August 2021 with Cincinatti

 

[Fiero425]

They said August 2021 with Cincinatti

That should knock Federer out of the top 100 unless they pull a fast one with a "great, great, great grandfather" clause to save him the indignity of not being seeded anywhere and having to play qualifiers, beg for WC, and maybe get in a draw as a LL! I can see it all now!

 

[Front242]

That should knock Federer out of the top 100 unless they pull a fast one with a "great, great, great grandfather" clause to save him the indignity of not being seeded anywhere and having to play qualifiers, beg for WC, and maybe get in a draw as a LL! I can see it all now!

You really think Roger Federer will EVER have to beg for a wild card ?! Nah. Me either!

 

[JesuslookslikeBorg]

rank charts back to normal aug 2022..i read in a few places (could be wrong).

 

[Denis]

You really think Roger Federer will EVER have to beg for a wild card ?! Nah. Me either!

Fiero was joking, but I guess you don't find it funny. These are tough times for fedal fans.

 

[Front242]

Fiero was joking, but I guess you don't find it funny. These are tough times for fedal fans.

Didn't look like he was joking tbh. Realistically if he's not playing many matches it's obvious he'd drop a ton in the rankings so it seemed 100% serious to me but I was also serious that no matter if Federer dropped to 999 in the world he won't need to beg anyone to let him play.

 

[Denis]

Didn't look like he was joking tbh. Realistically if he's not playing many matches it's obvious he'd drop a ton in the rankings so it seemed 100% serious to me but I was also serious that no matter if Federer dropped to 999 in the world he won't need to beg anyone to let him play.

Yes dropping in the rankings seems likely, but I think fiero was just making a bit of fun of the situation by potentially having to rely on wildcards to play tournaments. Schadenfreude as the Germans say.

 

[Mile]

I see Djoker in good position to end year as No.1

Rafa is out, Djoker have at least 1000 points from Wimby and have complete bonus of USO. First near is Stefanos, Medvedev is questionable due to grass surface. So race is among them Djoker-Stefanos-Medvedev. I think Djoker will make surplus on GS while youngsters will push on end of the year - Masters, ATP Finals.

 

[MargaretMcAleer]

Medvedev could take the No 1 from Djokovic if he wins Wimbledon or loses the Wimbledon final to a player not named Djokovic.

 

[El Dude]

Medvedev could take the No 1 from Djokovic if he wins Wimbledon or loses the Wimbledon final to a player not named Djokovic.

Wow. I had to look up to see if this was actually the case, and I think you're right. Here are my findings:

Djokovic: 12113 current - 2000 for 2019 Wimbledon = 10113 before 2021 points are added
Medvedev: 10280 current - 90 for 2019 Wimbledon = 10190 before 2021 points are added

That's Medvedev up by 77 points to start the tournament, once 2019 Wimbledon is taken off. Which means he can be #1 in any of the following ways:

- Winning Wimbledon
- Losing the final to someone other than Djokovic
- Losing in the same or later round as Djokovic
- Djokovic goes out in the first two rounds

Contrarily, for Novak to remain number one he has to do the following:

- Reach the 3R or later, and
- Go one round further than Medvedev

So if Novak loses in the QF (+360) and Daniil in the 4R (+180), Novak maintains the lead by 103 points.

 

[MargaretMcAleer]

Wow. I had to look up to see if this was actually the case, and I think you're right. Here are my findings:

Djokovic: 12113 current - 2000 for 2019 Wimbledon = 10113 before 2021 points are added
Medvedev: 10280 current - 90 for 2019 Wimbledon = 10190 before 2021 points are added

That's Medvedev up by 177 points to start the tournament, once 2019 Wimbledon is taken off. Which means he can be #1 in any of the following ways:

- Winning Wimbledon
- Losing the final to someone other than Djokovic
- Losing in the same or later round as Djokovic
- Djokovic goes out in any of the first four rounds

Of the last, if Novak lost in the 4R and Medvedev in the 1R, Daniil would still finish #1 as he would add 10 points and Novak 180 points, and thus maintain the pre-tournament lead by 7 points (!).

Contrarily, for Novak to remain number one he has to do the following:

- Reach the QF or later, and
- Go one round further than Medvedev

So if Novak loses in the QF (+360) and Daniil in the 4R (+180), Novak maintains the lead by just 3 points!

Interesting scenarios,Med just won his first grass title,defeating Querrey in straight sets,in Mallorca,so he goes to Wimbledon with confidence.

 

[Mile]

Wow. I had to look up to see if this was actually the case, and I think you're right. Here are my findings:

Djokovic: 12113 current - 2000 for 2019 Wimbledon = 10113 before 2021 points are added
Medvedev: 10280 current - 90 for 2019 Wimbledon = 10190 before 2021 points are added

That's Medvedev up by 177 points to start the tournament, once 2019 Wimbledon is taken off. Which means he can be #1 in any of the following ways:

It is 77 points.

 

[El Dude]

It is 77 points.

Thanks, I'll edit.

 

[Fiero425]

Interesting scenarios,Med just won his first grass title,defeating Querrey in straight sets,in Mallorca,so he goes to Wimbledon with confidence.

...or overconfidence! Med's getting a little too much "shine" for someone who's proved little to nothing on any surface off HC! He's a giant-killer, no doubt about it, but he can also go out to a qualifier in the 1st round; which is a lot more likely IMO!

 

[MargaretMcAleer]

...or overconfidence! Med's getting a little too much "shine" for someone who's proved little to nothing on any surface off HC! He's a giant-killer, no doubt about it, but he can also go out to a qualifier in the 1st round; which is a lot more likely IMO!

Would you believe he says grass is his fav surface....we gonna see no?

 

[BratSrbin]

Wow. I had to look up to see if this was actually the case, and I think you're right. Here are my findings:

Djokovic: 12113 current - 2000 for 2019 Wimbledon = 10113 before 2021 points are added
Medvedev: 10280 current - 90 for 2019 Wimbledon = 10190 before 2021 points are added

That's Medvedev up by 77 points to start the tournament, once 2019 Wimbledon is taken off. Which means he can be #1 in any of the following ways:

- Winning Wimbledon
- Losing the final to someone other than Djokovic
- Losing in the same or later round as Djokovic
- Djokovic goes out in the first two rounds

Contrarily, for Novak to remain number one he has to do the following:

- Reach the 3R or later, and
- Go one round further than Medvedev

So if Novak loses in the QF (+360) and Daniil in the 4R (+180), Novak maintains the lead by 103 points.

On Live Rankings site, they took only 50% from Wimbledon 2019. Maybe Margaret is right?

Live ATP Ranking

ATP Men Tennis ranking projection for next week

live-tennis.eu

 

[Moxie]

Here's a random question: on the live tennis rankings, Tsitsipas jumped over Rafa into 3rd place (new career high,) but it's likely that Rafa, who is playing in DC this week, will keep his number 3 for now. I'm guessing that means that Tsitsipas hasn't actually attained the #3, if it's not on the ATP rankings?