The Rankings Thread (ATP)

[the AntiPusher]

Wow, career high for a 36-year old.

Zverev just keeps climbing. It seems like a top 20 year-end ranking is likely. He's #18 in the race rankings.

Zverev still struggles mentally, that is not surprising, considering how young he is.
His loss against Cervantes in Hamburg can be attributed to that, beside the MP against Nadal.
In Hamburg, he was the poster player of the event, being his home town as well. Probably it ws too much pressure to handle it.

I think I was the only person who predicted that he would be top 20 by the end of the year. As for the most vs Rafa, you need to let that go, every player is capable of loosing Mp against anyone.

 

[herios]

Wow, career high for a 36-year old.

Zverev just keeps climbing. It seems like a top 20 year-end ranking is likely. He's #18 in the race rankings.

Zverev still struggles mentally, that is not surprising, considering how young he is.
His loss against Cervantes in Hamburg can be attributed to that, beside the MP against Nadal.
In Hamburg, he was the poster player of the event, being his home town as well. Probably it ws too much pressure to handle it.

.As for the most vs Rafa, you need to let that go, every player is capable of loosing Mp against anyone.

:huh:
Barking at the wrong tree, I just made a comment about Zverev and his mental toughness status in that match. I personally did not care if he did not manage to beat Rafa.

 

[the AntiPusher]

Zverev still struggles mentally, that is not surprising, considering how young he is.
His loss against Cervantes in Hamburg can be attributed to that, beside the MP against Nadal.
In Hamburg, he was the poster player of the event, being his home town as well. Probably it ws too much pressure to handle it.

.As for the most vs Rafa, you need to let that go, every player is capable of loosing Mp against anyone.

:huh:
Barking at the wrong tree, I just made a comment about Zverev and his mental toughness status in that match. I personally did not care if he did not manage to beat Rafa.

Why do you keep bring it up.he has had other blips over this past year..it's growing pains..you of all people should be able to comprehend that

 

[herios]

.As for the most vs Rafa, you need to let that go, every player is capable of loosing Mp against anyone.

:huh:
Barking at the wrong tree, I just made a comment about Zverev and his mental toughness status in that match. I personally did not care if he did not manage to beat Rafa.

Why do you keep bring it up.he has had other blips over this past year..it's growing pains..you of all people should be able to comprehend that

I mention his name a lot less than others do, mainly because I do not care about him. It is just your impression I do, because you are overly sensitive.

 

[the AntiPusher]

:huh:
Barking at the wrong tree, I just made a comment about Zverev and his mental toughness status in that match. I personally did not care if he did not manage to beat Rafa.

Why do you keep bring it up.he has had other blips over this past year..it's growing pains..you of all people should be able to comprehend that

I mention his name a lot less than others do, mainly because I do not care about him. It is just your impression I do, because you are overly sensitive.

herios I am having too good of time enjoying my life to go down:reel: that rabbit hole with you

 

[El Dude]

Wait, does herios have something against Zverev? Did I miss something?

Anyhow, AntiPusher, I think I predicted that Zverev might challenge for the top 20, but am not sure. I at least said he'd make it into the top 40. I'd say he's doing slightly better than I predicted, which I'm happy with. In my mind he's the most promising young player in the sport, in terms of combining upside and how far he's actually come (there are other players with as much or even more upside, and some young guns who have climbed higher--but Zverev has the best combination of both, so in my view is the overall best prospect for next great player).

 

[the AntiPusher]

Wait, does herios have something against Zverev? Did I miss something?

Anyhow, AntiPusher, I think I predicted that Zverev might challenge for the top 20, but am not sure. I at least said he'd make it into the top 40. I'd say he's doing slightly better than I predicted, which I'm happy with. In my mind he's the most promising young player in the sport, in terms of combining upside and how far he's actually come (there are other players with as much or even more upside, and some young guns who have climbed higher--but Zverev has the best combination of both, so in my view is the overall best prospect for next great player).

Zverev is the "chosen one" which the majority of us tennis enthusiasts have already anointed him. No disagreement here.

 

[El Dude]

Well to be honest, I don't know if he's going to be a true all-time great, but I do think he has the best shot of it right now, out of the known choices. But Fritz, Shapovalov, and/or Aliassime could eventually be greater...Zverev is just further along.

I've also floated the idea that with "Next Gen" we might see several multi-Slam winners, but no clear dominant player. Of course we won't know for some years yet.

 

[britbox]

Rankings - Oct 16, 2016

1 (1) Novak Djokovic(Serbia) 12900
2 (2) Andy Murray(Britain) 10485
3 (3) Stanislas Wawrinka(Switzerland) 5820
4 (6) Milos Raonic(Canada) 4690
5 (4) Kei Nishikori(Japan) 4650
6 (5) Rafa Nadal(Spain) 4380
7 (8) Gael Monfils(France) 3815
8 (7) Roger Federer(Switzerland) 3720
9 (9) Tomas Berdych(Czech Republic) 3300
10 (10) Dominic Thiem(Austria) 3250
11 (11) Marin Cilic(Croatia) 2895
12 (12) David Goffin(Belgium) 2780
13 (19) Roberto Bautista(Spain) 2505
14 (14) Nick Kyrgios(Australia) 2460
15 (15) David Ferrer(Spain) 2455
16 (13) Jo-Wilfried Tsonga(France) 2205
17 (16) Lucas Pouille(France) 2106
18 (18) Grigor Dimitrov(Bulgaria) 2035
19 (17) Richard Gasquet(France) 1950
20 (21) Alexander Zverev(Germany) 1745
21 (20) Ivo Karlovic(Croatia) 1715
22 (22) Pablo Cuevas(Uruguay) 1700
23 (25) Jack Sock(U.S.) 1675
24 (24) Steve Johnson(U.S.) 1645
25 (32) Gilles Simon(France) 1585
26 (23) Bernard Tomic(Australia) 1510
27 (26) John Isner(U.S.) 1430
28 (31) Viktor Troicki(Serbia) 1385
29 (29) Sam Querrey(U.S.) 1375
30 (28) Feliciano Lopez(Spain) 1375
31 (27) Albert Ramos(Spain) 1365
32 (30) Philipp Kohlschreiber(Germany) 1315
33 (34) Joao Sousa(Portugal) 1235
34 (33) Martin Klizan(Slovakia) 1230
35 (36) Marcos Baghdatis(Cyprus) 1185
36 (35) Pablo Carreno(Spain) 1155
37 (38) Gilles Muller(Luxembourg) 1120
38 (37) Paolo Lorenzi(Italy) 1100
39 (43) Marcel Granollers(Spain) 1081
40 (39) Nicolas Mahut(France) 1057
41 (45) Nicolas Almagro(Spain) 1019
42 (47) Benoit Paire(France) 1005
43 (48) Kyle Edmund(Britain) 1001
44 (44) Fernando Verdasco(Spain) 1000
45 (42) Andrey Kuznetsov(Russia) 995
46 (41) Borna Coric(Croatia) 980
47 (46) Federico Delbonis(Argentina) 970
48 (40) Kevin Anderson(South Africa) 895
49 (51) Mikhail Youzhny(Russia) 890
50 (50) Fabio Fognini(Italy) 885
51 (52) Jiri Vesely(Czech Republic) 863
52 (53) Stephane Robert(France) 851
53 (59) Adrian Mannarino(France) 846
54 (54) Daniel Evans(Britain) 823
55 (58) Florian Mayer(Germany) 823
56 (55) Guido Pella(Argentina) 816
57 (49) Malek Jaziri(Tunisia) 813
58 (56) Karen Khachanov(Russia) 808
59 (57) Alexandr Dolgopolov(Ukraine) 805
60 (60) Robin Haase(Netherlands) 805
61 (61) Gastao Elias(Portugal) 801
62 (65) Thomaz Bellucci(Brazil) 771
63 (63) Juan Martin Del Potro(Argentina) 770
64 (67) Paul-Henri Mathieu(France) 751
65 (62) Illya Marchenko(Ukraine) 749
66 (66) Facundo Bagnis(Argentina) 745
67 (70) Juan Monaco(Argentina) 740
68 (110) Mischa Zverev(Germany) 733
69 (68) Dudi Sela(Israel) 731
70 (71) Taylor Fritz(U.S.) 729
71 (72) Gerald Melzer(Austria) 728
72 (73) Horacio Zeballos(Argentina) 726
73 (80) Jeremy Chardy(France) 725
74 (64) Dustin Brown(Germany) 722
75 (74) John Millman(Australia) 715
76 (75) Guillermo Garcia-Lopez(Spain) 715
77 (69) Diego Schwartzman(Argentina) 712
78 (78) Dusan Lajovic(Serbia) 707
79 (102) Konstantin Kravchuk(Russia) 707
80 (81) Inigo Cervantes(Spain) 685
81 (79) Lu Yen-Hsun(Taiwan) 684
82 (82) Donald Young(U.S.) 676
83 (84) Carlos Berlocq(Argentina) 676
84 (76) Ricardas Berankis(Lithuania) 675
85 (85) Aljaz Bedene(Britain) 672
86 (91) Yuichi Sugita(Japan) 671
87 (105) Renzo Olivo(Argentina) 670
88 (88) Thiago Monteiro(Brazil) 664
89 (87) Adam Pavlasek(Czech Republic) 662
90 (89) Mikhail Kukushkin(Kazakhstan) 654
91 (86) Pierre-Hugues Herbert(France) 649
92 (99) Jordan Thompson(Australia) 648
93 (94) Lukas Rosol(Czech Republic) 645
94 (83) Victor Estrella(Dominican Republic) 643
95 (77) Damir Dzumhur(Bosnia and Herzegovina) 639
96 (90) Taro Daniel(Japan) 635
97 (92) Ivan Dodig(Croatia) 632
98 (95) Jan-Lennard Struff(Germany) 624
99 (96) Radek Stepanek(Czech Republic) 623
100 (93) Andreas Seppi(Italy) 620

 

[herios]

New career high on Oct. 17, 2016:

13. Roberto Bautista-Agut 28y
20. Alexander Zverev 19y
43. Kyle Edmund 21y
69. Gerald Melzer 26y
79. Konstantin Kravchuk 31y
87. Renzo Olivo 24y

Roberto Bautista Agut, a late bloomer manages a new career high on the strength of his first ATP Master final.
A new milestone for Sasha Zverev to crack the top 20. Kravchuk and Olivo won challenger titles last week, moving up nicely also in the rankings.

 

[herios]

New career high on Oct. 17, 2016:

13. Roberto Bautista-Agut 28y
20. Alexander Zverev 19y
43. Kyle Edmund 21y
69. Gerald Melzer 26y
79. Konstantin Kravchuk 31y
87. Renzo Olivo 24y

Roberto Bautista Agut, a late bloomer manages a new career high on the strength of his first ATP Master final.
A new milestone for Sasha Zverev to crack the top 20. Kravchuk and Olivo won challenger titles last week, moving up nicely also in the rankings.
 
herios, 6 minutes ago

 

[herios]

Wait, does herios have something against Zverev? Did I miss something?

Anyhow, AntiPusher, I think I predicted that Zverev might challenge for the top 20, but am not sure. I at least said he'd make it into the top 40. I'd say he's doing slightly better than I predicted, which I'm happy with. In my mind he's the most promising young player in the sport, in terms of combining upside and how far he's actually come (there are other players with as much or even more upside, and some young guns who have climbed higher--but Zverev has the best combination of both, so in my view is the overall best prospect for next great player).

Zverev is the "chosen one" which the majority of us tennis enthusiasts have already anointed him. No disagreement here.

I do not have anything against Zverev at all, but that does not mean I am joining the bandwagon either.
I there really a need to have a "chosen one"??
I better like to see field of equal opportunities where the players can make a case for themselves, some sooner other a little later.
And those who will emerge as the leaders will have their fan base formed no question about that.

 

[Carol]

The new ATP Ranking list

http://www.atpworldtour.com/en/rankings/singles

 

[britbox]

Rankings - 24 October 2016

1 (1) Novak Djokovic(Serbia) 12900
2 (2) Andy Murray(Britain) 10485
3 (3) Stanislas Wawrinka(Switzerland) 5820
4 (4) Milos Raonic(Canada) 4690
5 (5) Kei Nishikori(Japan) 4650
6 (6) Rafa Nadal(Spain) 4380
7 (8) Roger Federer(Switzerland) 3720
8 (7) Gael Monfils(France) 3635
9 (10) Dominic Thiem(Austria) 3250
10 (9) Tomas Berdych(Czech Republic) 3060
11 (12) David Goffin(Belgium) 2795
12 (11) Marin Cilic(Croatia) 2690
13 (14) Nick Kyrgios(Australia) 2460
14 (13) Roberto Bautista(Spain) 2445
15 (16) Jo-Wilfried Tsonga(France) 2160
16 (19) Richard Gasquet(France) 2110
17 (17) Lucas Pouille(France) 2106
18 (18) Grigor Dimitrov(Bulgaria) 2035
19 (15) David Ferrer(Spain) 2000
20 (20) Alexander Zverev(Germany) 1745
21 (22) Pablo Cuevas(Uruguay) 1700
22 (23) Jack Sock(U.S.) 1675
23 (21) Ivo Karlovic(Croatia) 1670
24 (25) Gilles Simon(France) 1560
25 (26) Bernard Tomic(Australia) 1510
26 (31) Albert Ramos(Spain) 1390
27 (27) John Isner(U.S.) 1385
28 (28) Viktor Troicki(Serbia) 1385
29 (29) Sam Querrey(U.S.) 1375
30 (30) Feliciano Lopez(Spain) 1375
31 (24) Steve Johnson(U.S.) 1365
32 (36) Pablo Carreno(Spain) 1360
33 (32) Philipp Kohlschreiber(Germany) 1315
34 (33) Joao Sousa(Portugal) 1235
35 (34) Martin Klizan(Slovakia) 1230
36 (35) Marcos Baghdatis(Cyprus) 1115
37 (37) Gilles Muller(Luxembourg) 1095
38 (38) Paolo Lorenzi(Italy) 1095
39 (39) Marcel Granollers(Spain) 1081
40 (43) Kyle Edmund(Britain) 1075
41 (40) Nicolas Mahut(France) 1057
42 (63) Juan Martin Del Potro(Argentina) 1020
43 (41) Nicolas Almagro(Spain) 1013
44 (42) Benoit Paire(France) 1005
45 (44) Fernando Verdasco(Spain) 1000
46 (46) Borna Coric(Croatia) 980
47 (45) Andrey Kuznetsov(Russia) 970
48 (47) Federico Delbonis(Argentina) 960
49 (50) Fabio Fognini(Italy) 945
50 (52) Stephane Robert(France) 926
51 (49) Mikhail Youzhny(Russia) 890
52 (48) Kevin Anderson(South Africa) 850
53 (53) Adrian Mannarino(France) 846
54 (77) Diego Schwartzman(Argentina) 845
55 (55) Florian Mayer(Germany) 843
56 (51) Jiri Vesely(Czech Republic) 838
57 (61) Gastao Elias(Portugal) 831
58 (62) Thomaz Bellucci(Brazil) 816
59 (56) Guido Pella(Argentina) 816
60 (54) Daniel Evans(Britain) 816
61 (57) Malek Jaziri(Tunisia) 813
62 (59) Alexandr Dolgopolov(Ukraine) 805
63 (58) Karen Khachanov(Russia) 791
64 (60) Robin Haase(Netherlands) 780
65 (64) Paul-Henri Mathieu(France) 751
66 (65) Illya Marchenko(Ukraine) 749
67 (66) Facundo Bagnis(Argentina) 745
68 (74) Dustin Brown(Germany) 742
69 (67) Juan Monaco(Argentina) 740
70 (75) John Millman(Australia) 735
71 (69) Dudi Sela(Israel) 731
72 (68) Mischa Zverev(Germany) 730
73 (70) Taylor Fritz(U.S.) 729
74 (71) Gerald Melzer(Austria) 728
75 (73) Jeremy Chardy(France) 725
76 (76) Guillermo Garcia-Lopez(Spain) 715
77 (78) Dusan Lajovic(Serbia) 711
78 (72) Horacio Zeballos(Argentina) 711
79 (79) Konstantin Kravchuk(Russia) 707
80 (88) Thiago Monteiro(Brazil) 687
81 (80) Inigo Cervantes(Spain) 685
82 (81) Lu Yen-Hsun(Taiwan) 684
83 (82) Donald Young(U.S.) 676
84 (89) Adam Pavlasek(Czech Republic) 674
85 (85) Aljaz Bedene(Britain) 672
86 (87) Renzo Olivo(Argentina) 670
87 (100) Andreas Seppi(Italy) 665
88 (86) Yuichi Sugita(Japan) 657
89 (83) Carlos Berlocq(Argentina) 656
90 (91) Pierre-Hugues Herbert(France) 655
91 (84) Ricardas Berankis(Lithuania) 655
92 (95) Damir Dzumhur(Bosnia and Herzegovina) 649
93 (98) Jan-Lennard Struff(Germany) 649
94 (94) Victor Estrella(Dominican Republic) 643
95 (92) Jordan Thompson(Australia) 643
96 (96) Taro Daniel(Japan) 635
97 (90) Mikhail Kukushkin(Kazakhstan) 634
98 (105) Ryan Harrison(U.S.) 620
99 (101) Yoshihito Nishioka(Japan) 618
100 (111) Santiago Giraldo(Colombia) 613

 

[herios]

New career high October 24, 2016:

13. Nick Kyrgios 21y
26. Albert Ramos-Vinolas 28y
32. Pablo Carreno-Busta 25y
40. Kyle Edmund 21y
50. Stephane Robert 36y
54. Diego Schwartzman 24y
57. Gastao Elias 25y
80 Thiago Monteiro 22y
86. Renzo Olivo 24y

 

[herios]

New career high October 24, 2016:

13. Nick Kyrgios 21y
26. Albert Ramos-Vinolas 28y
32. Pablo Carreno-Busta 25y
40. Kyle Edmund 21y
50. Stephane Robert 36y
54. Diego Schwartzman 24y
57. Gastao Elias 25y
80 Thiago Monteiro 22y
86. Renzo Olivo 24y

 

[Front242]

Kyrgios makes a career high while suspended. Class

 

[El Dude]

Carreno Busta keeps creeping up. I could see him slipping into the top 20, but not the top 10, maybe maxing out in the #15-20 range.

Edmund also is a stealth riser and is currently the third highest ranked player age 21 and under, after Kyrgios and Zverev. He doesn't seem to get as much accolades but is on a similar rankings trajectory as Pouille and Thiem, maybe even slightly quicker.

 

[Kieran]

Carreno Busta keeps creeping up. I could see him slipping into the top 20, but not the top 10, maybe maxing out in the #15-20 range.

Edmund also is a stealth riser and is currently the third highest ranked player age 21 and under, after Kyrgios and Zverev. He doesn't seem to get as much accolades but is on a similar rankings trajectory as Pouille and Thiem, maybe even slightly quicker.

Edmund has been remarkable, actually. It's great to see, too. Usually he'd be grouped in with a bunch of chinless Brits who struggle vainly in the Wimbledon first round, having gotten a wild card. Sue Barker would smile grimly as she gave the news about another plucky Brit, whose father was a member of the club, and whose mother bakes fabulous creme tarts.

But this kid is more than plucky, and if he continues, he'll be top 20 this time next year...

 

[herios]

Carreno Busta keeps creeping up. I could see him slipping into the top 20, but not the top 10, maybe maxing out in the #15-20 range.

Edmund also is a stealth riser and is currently the third highest ranked player age 21 and under, after Kyrgios and Zverev. He doesn't seem to get as much accolades but is on a similar rankings trajectory as Pouille and Thiem, maybe even slightly quicker.

What is remarkable about Carreno-Busta is that he came up through the rankings as almost exclusively a clay court specialist.
Then his rise stalled for a few years mainly because he was unsuccessful on the faster courts where the majority of the events are played.
But his first ATP titles came on HC this year therefore the subsequent rising. So I back up El Dude here, and say a top 20 position later in his carer will be happening.