The perfect player

[don_fabio]

If I just may jump in these never ending wars to say that Paire's dropshot and dropshot volley are both sublime shots.

 

[Front242]

Again, the % question was a response to the implication that Toni's gestures (and let's remind everyone he no longer coaches his nephew) have a significant effect on Nadal's success.

On a micro level, I'm sure they've helped him here and there. But he's won 18 majors, so to even bring that up as part of his success on a macro level is beyond ridiculous. Comparing that to PEDs is even more outrageous.

No one can tell how many majors that he's won have been greatly influenced by his uncle's illegal coaching but if it wasn't important to him winning matches, then he wouldn't do it. Hugely important points change match outcomes. Yet another reason to discount the claim of his supposed highest tennis IQ on tour when he needs all this extra help: illegal mid match coaching, all his stalling tactics to piss his opponents off, fake medical timeouts, picking really dubious times to go for a bathroom break or changing his bandages before his opponent serves for the match. It's just not one bit cool.

Basically, if his tennis IQ is so amazing, he shouldn't need to do ANY of that but clearly it's not or he wouldn't do it.

 

[Nadalfan2013]

If I just may jump in these never ending wars to say that Paire's dropshot and dropshot volley are both sublime shots.

Better than Djokovic's overhead? B-)

 

[don_fabio]

Better than Djokovic's overhead? B-)

Djokovic's overhead should fall in the worst player category

 

[brokenshoelace]

No one can tell how many majors that he's won have been greatly influenced by his uncle's illegal coaching but if it wasn't important to him winning matches, then he wouldn't do it. Hugely important points change match outcomes. Yet another reason to discount the claim of his supposed highest tennis IQ on tour when he needs all this extra help: illegal mid match coaching, all his stalling tactics to piss his opponents off, fake medical timeouts, picking really dubious times to go for a bathroom break or changing his bandages before his opponent serves for the match. It's just not one bit cool.

Basically, if his tennis IQ is so amazing, he shouldn't need to do ANY of that but clearly it's not or he wouldn't do it.

Is there a way to mute a poster when they discuss a certain topic? Like, I enjoy Front's posts. Front's posts when he's discussing Nadal though, sound like an upset child devoid of logic ranting.

PS: When was Nadal's last medical time out? When was his last fake medical time out? How often have these happened in majors in which he ended up winning? When was his last bathroom break at a dubious time and how many times did it happen? How many times did it happen in majors in which he ended up winning?

If you're citing those as reasons for his success, please prove it.

 

[brokenshoelace]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/t...imbledon-communicates-world-No-1-matches.html

Just to show how so many people here have no idea what they're talking about when it comes to the topics they seem to be so opinionated on. The above is Boris Becker and Novak Djokovic admitting to on court coaching. Of course, according to Front, just like PEDs, only Nadal and Djokovic do it.

Either that or everybody fucking does it and it's not a big deal. I once sat a few chairs away from David Ferrer's coach in Dubai...the amount of coaching was insaaaaaaaaaaane. And that goes for all players, FYI.

It's ridiculous how naïve people can be because of bias.

 

[Ricardo]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/t...imbledon-communicates-world-No-1-matches.html

Just to show how so many people here have no idea what they're talking about when it comes to the topics they seem to be so opinionated on. The above is Boris Becker and Novak Djokovic admitting to on court coaching. Of course, according to Front, just like PEDs, only Nadal and Djokovic do it.

Either that or everybody fucking does it and it's not a big deal. I once sat a few chairs away from David Ferrer's coach in Dubai...the amount of coaching was insaaaaaaaaaaane. And that goes for all players, FYI.

It's ridiculous how naïve people can be because of bias.

You are the one with no ideas. If the argument is that it’s ok because someone else also does it, it’s just bs. Btw I am yet to see Fed being caught for that. And what’s either that or everybody does? Your black and white thinking shows why you are a simpleton, incapable of being able to reason...also why you often ask stupid questions.

 

[Ricardo]

Again, the % question was a response to the implication that Toni's gestures (and let's remind everyone he no longer coaches his nephew) have a significant effect on Nadal's success.

On a micro level, I'm sure they've helped him here and there. But he's won 18 majors, so to even bring that up as part of his success on a macro level is beyond ridiculous. Comparing that to PEDs is even more outrageous.

Bs again, the point is that rules are in place for a reason.....who really uses a calculator to quantify how much significance it may have. The rules don’t require anyone to find out how many points a player may have gained using such tactic. Now who thinks how much PEDs help a player matters? It’s simply not allowed. Just move on with your bs.

 

[GameSetAndMath]

You are the one with no ideas. If the argument is that it’s ok because someone else also does it, it’s just bs. Btw I am yet to see Fed being caught for that. And what’s either that or everybody does? Your black and white thinking shows why you are a simpleton, incapable of being able to reason...also why you often ask stupid questions.

Ya, this is almost like Trump saying every politician will receive opp research from foreign agents.

This is crazy - justifying saying everyone does it. Then, there would be total chaos. Cheat in exam and say everybody does it. Swindle money in office and say everybody does it. ………………….

In the first place, it is NOT true that everybody does it.

 

[brokenshoelace]

You are the one with no ideas. If the argument is that it’s ok because someone else also does it, it’s just bs. Btw I am yet to see Fed being caught for that. And what’s either that or everybody does? Your black and white thinking shows why you are a simpleton, incapable of being able to reason...also why you often ask stupid questions.

Reason 20120510256 why you're an idiot:

My reasoning had nothing to do with whether it's OK or not. I simply said a) singling out Nadal is stupid because literally everyone else does it (yeah, Fed didn't get caught for coaching, but he got caught for his wife heckling Wawrinka. Which one is worse? It's funny how @Front242 never says shit about that) and b) that actually bringing that up as a significant part in his success is beyond stupid.

I couldn't care less about the morality of it all and whether it's OK. I'm simply pointing out Front's ridiculous tunnel vision on the subject.

 

[brokenshoelace]

Bs again, the point is that rules are in place for a reason.....who really uses a calculator to quantify how much significance it may have. The rules don’t require anyone to find out how many points a player may have gained using such tactic. Now who thinks how much PEDs help a player matters? It’s simply not allowed. Just move on with your bs.

By all means. Punish him for it.

But again, my point has nothing to do with the legality, and more to do with how much it actually influenced the match result. In that sense, there's no comparison between coaching and PEDs. Not all crimes are equal and it's insane that I have to spell that out for you.

 

[brokenshoelace]

Ya, this is almost like Trump saying every politician will receive opp research from foreign agents.

This is crazy - justifying saying everyone does it. Then, there would be total chaos. Cheat in exam and say everybody does it. Swindle money in office and say everybody does it. ………………….

In the first place, it is NOT true that everybody does it.

Not justifying. Pointing out how silly it is for a grown man to sound like a whiny kid over something that everyone else does as well, yet he never brings it up. Djokovic has had almost as much success as Nadal and has literally admitted to it in the link I provided yet nobody has discussed this once... And more importantly, bringing it up as a significant reason behind a player's success - a player who won 18 fuckign slams - is stupid. So before drawing comparisons to Trump, understand the point at hand, Kellyanne.

Also, your analogies are absolutely fucking stupid but I suspect you're aware of that. Or maybe not. I'd never want to give you too much credit. A coach asking a player to change his positioning while returning IS NOT the same as PEDs, swindling money in the office or whatever other ridiculous comparison you guys came up with.

And you're right not everyone does it. After all, I'm sure a player whose wife heckles another player is above receiving simple instructions from his coach.

Nothing like being compared to Trump by someone unable to grasp a very basic point and completely misconstruing the argument. To spell it out for you: I don't give a shit if Nadal is punished or not for coaching. To me the issue is too miniscule to matter. If he is, fine. Apply the rules. The point is about the impact you guys seem to think it has on his career. Jesus, I went into a whole point about the micro effect vs. the macro effect. It's not my fault if anyone is too stupid to get it.

The level of tennis discourse around here has been beyond stupid lately, but this literally always happens every time Roger loses a big match and Fed fans are mad at the world.

 

[Ricardo]

Reason 20120510256 why you're an idiot:

My reasoning had nothing to do with whether it's OK or not. I simply said a) singling out Nadal is stupid because literally everyone else does it (yeah, Fed didn't get caught for coaching, but he got caught for his wife heckling Wawrinka. Which one is worse? It's funny how @Front242 never says shit about that) and b) that actually bringing that up as a significant part in his success is beyond stupid.

I couldn't care less about the morality of it all and whether it's OK. I'm simply pointing out Front's ridiculous tunnel vision on the subject.

You do know that Fed would not approve of Mirkas action, and she hasn’t done it again. In fact, Fed is not involved in gamesmanship which Novak/Nadal are definitely known to do. And no not everyone does it, it’s such a cheap cop out but i am not surprised, coming from you (well known simpleton).

 

[Ricardo]

By all means. Punish him for it.

But again, my point has nothing to do with the legality, and more to do with how much it actually influenced the match result. In that sense, there's no comparison between coaching and PEDs. Not all crimes are equal and it's insane that I have to spell that out for you.

Yeah? So can you actually quantify and compare the impact between coaching and PEDs? How much does each influence match result? Give us a break, and save yourself from try hard embarrassment to win an argument.

 

[Ricardo]

Ya, this is almost like Trump saying every politician will receive opp research from foreign agents.

This is crazy - justifying saying everyone does it. Then, there would be total chaos. Cheat in exam and say everybody does it. Swindle money in office and say everybody does it. ………………….

In the first place, it is NOT true that everybody does it.

Nobody should be accused for anything, since somebody else probably does it somewhere. Posters here call him BS for a good reason

 

[brokenshoelace]

You do know that Fed would not approve of Mirkas action, and she hasn’t done it again. In fact, Fed is not involved in gamesmanship which Novak/Nadal are definitely known to do. And no not everyone does it, it’s such a cheap cop out but i am not surprised, coming from you (well known simpleton).

Literally everyone does it. Boris Becker himself said every player/coach have signs to be able to communicate on the court. It's in the link I posted above.

And if we're only going by players who have received warning for coaching then let me ask you this:

How many times has Nadal received a warning for coaching? And more importantly, when was the last time?

Let's see the logic here...

 

[brokenshoelace]

Yeah? So can you actually quantify and compare the impact between coaching and PEDs? How much does each influence match result? Give us a break, and save yourself from try hard embarrassment to win an argument.

Are you seriously implying we'd have to be able to quantify the effects of on court coaching and PEDs to be able to determine that PEDs are obviously much MUCH MUCH MUCH more impactful?

No seriously, how do you go on about life being this stupid? I'm very curious. Like, it's fascinating to me.

 

[tented]

I once sat a few chairs away from David Ferrer's coach in Dubai...the amount of coaching was insaaaaaaaaaaane. And that goes for all players, FYI.

Out of curiosity, what were they doing? Was it verbal? Hand signals? Both?

 

[Ricardo]

Literally everyone does it. Boris Becker himself said every player/coach have signs to be able to communicate on the court. It's in the link I posted above.

And if we're only going by players who have received warning for coaching then let me ask you this:

How many times has Nadal received a warning for coaching? And more importantly, when was the last time?

Let's see the logic here...

Where does Becker himself say that? Pls show. Djoker said something similar but he is the offender trying to be defensive, and we know how morally corrupted he is...oxygen egg, yeah right. Got Marko Djokovic into tournament he wasn’t qualified for and a qualified player lost his spot? Sure.

Even Murray doesn’t get coached during matches, and he is a whinge. Everyone does it? Fuck off you are a clown liar.

 

[Moxie]

No one can tell how many majors that he's won have been greatly influenced by his uncle's illegal coaching but if it wasn't important to him winning matches, then he wouldn't do it. Hugely important points change match outcomes. Yet another reason to discount the claim of his supposed highest tennis IQ on tour when he needs all this extra help: illegal mid match coaching, all his stalling tactics to piss his opponents off, fake medical timeouts, picking really dubious times to go for a bathroom break or changing his bandages before his opponent serves for the match. It's just not one bit cool.

Basically, if his tennis IQ is so amazing, he shouldn't need to do ANY of that but clearly it's not or he wouldn't do it.

How come we never talk about the Federer MTO after he lost the 4th set to Nadal at the AO 2017 F? Which, for the record, Pat Cash called gamesmanship.