The Grass is always Greener - 2021

[GameSetAndMath]

Oh please,Roger withdrew after his match against Koepfer,he was only using RG for match practice,in my opinion he should not have played RG on clay,which is taxing on your body.,knees, he should have waited and got match practice on grass instead,playing a few tournaments.I still stand by my opinion,you can spin it anyway you like.Roger's main focus is the grass,fair enough he is a great grass player.I made my comments clear before when this subject was brought up and I am not discussing any more,lets focus on the grass and hopefully Roger gets a favorable draw at Wimbledon.

You are being ignorant. You can ask any pro player or for that matter even recreational players as to which surface among all three is the most forgiving on the knees. The answer would be clay. Hard courts are taxing on the knees. On grass due to low bounces one often has to bend down which again becomes taxing on knees. In fact, if someone is coming back from knee injury and test waters, clay is the best surface to be on.

 

[Moxie]

I never said it bothered me he decided to miss the AO 2013 'cos of a stomach issue healed up weeks before, I said people claiming that as a lost slam opportunity are delusional (mostly those 2 infamous Nadal trolls here) since he chose to miss that one and has only himself to blame there. Playing low ranked players in the early rounds he'd have found his form in no time. His choice. End of.

This is bullshit. You have never stopped haranguing on the idea that Nadal pulled out of the AO due to a "bad tummy," for basically no reason whatsoever. Darth did same. No one, even the two Nadal trolls, has EVER said that Nadal missed on a Slam opportunity there. No one pretended he would win that one. To point out that it is among the Slams he missed is not completely unfair. However, if you want to take if off of the count of Majors that he missed in his career, due to injury, I'm down with that. Certainly this Wimbledon was in the category of "optional/opted out." You've never understood why Rafa bailed on 2013 AO, and you've only ever made fun of it. You seem to forget he'd been 7 months off the tour, and the stomach bug kept him from playing the tune up. Rafa has demonstrated over the years that he needs to feel prepared to play a Major. At least he didn't enroll in that AO as a tune-up, and then bail.

 

[Moxie]

You are being ignorant. You can ask any pro player or for that matter even recreational players as to which surface among all three is the most forgiving on the knees. The answer would be clay. Hard courts are taxing on the knees. On grass due to low bounces one often has to bend down which again becomes taxing on knees. In fact, if someone is coming back from knee injury and test waters, clay is the best surface to be on.

Roger has always claimed that clay made his knees feel "weird," so that's not completely consistent with what you say. That's why he skipped it for all those years. As a Roger fan, you surely know that. He played clay to get ready for grass, and he bailed on RG to protect his Wimbledon. That's just true, and it's a question as to whether people have a problem with that, or not. And, apparently, a lot do.

 

[GameSetAndMath]

PUHLEASE....

Federer most emphatically (IMO) did NOT state that he was withdrawing due to injury. If he had done so, no questions asked. I At least give him some points for honesty.

I am not claiming he withdrew due to injury. All that I said and Fed said was that he was withdrawing in order to prevent injury from happening after such a tough match and listening to his body.

Your claim is that Fed went into RG with the intention of bailing out in the middle. That is baloney. It is not preplanned. It just happened.

 

[MargaretMcAleer]

You are being ignorant. You can ask any pro player or for that matter even recreational players as to which surface among all three is the most forgiving on the knees. The answer would be clay. Hard courts are taxing on the knees. On grass due to low bounces one often has to bend down which again becomes taxing on knees. In fact, if someone is coming back from knee injury and test waters, clay is the best surface to be on.

I am Not Ignorant for starters.........take your RF glasses off for once.Roger used RG for match practice,in my opinion and others he should not have entered RG.I was taught on clay for starters I am an Italian.I am very well aware of what clay does,on your body and other surfaces.
As I said Stop With The Spin enough okay.I am not Interested.Go and annoy another poster.

 

[GameSetAndMath]

I am Not Ignorant for starters.........take your RF glasses off for once.Roger used RG for match practice,in my opinion and others he should not have entered RG.I was taught on clay for starters I am an Italian.I am very well aware of what clay does,on your body and other surfaces.
As I said Stop With The Spin enough okay.I am not Interested.Go and annoy another poster.

You claim you are not ignorant and were taught on clay. Do you think clay is tough on knees or other surfaces? Give me a straight answer.

I am not the one who wears RF glasses. Although admitted a Fed fan, I have called out Fed as wrong on various issues at various times. I don't blindly support Fed in everything he does (unlike most Nadalites who blindly support him independent of the merit of the matter in hand).

 

[Moxie]

No, that's all in your head. Yes he would fare better against guys like Federer or Thiem in a day match as his loopy top spin is much harder to return for guys with 1 handed backhands. Against Djokovic though that doesn't matter and a war of attrition and survival of the fittest makes for a harder task for Djokovic. Medvedev has a way faster serve than Nadal so the night match killed him so, yes, yeah right.

The semi of Nadal v Djokovic was not a late night match at all and started when it was still extremely hot. Also, try and remember RG last year was played in October when it was much, much colder and guess who won so that's just bs in all honesty and the better player won who lost poorly in colder weather the previous year. Doesn't add up really does it.

Right, it started in the heat of the late day, and who won the first set? I'm not making an excuse out of it, I'm just saying that you're amusing to say that Medvedev would have done COMPLETELY differently at a different part of the day, and Roger, too, you've said, but no notion that it affected the Nadal/Djokovic SF. You often don't compare apples to apples, but just say stuff that suits you.

 

[Moxie]

I am not the one who wears RF glasses.

 

[MargaretMcAleer]

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[MargaretMcAleer]

You claim you are not ignorant and were taught on clay. Do you think clay is tough on knees or other surfaces? Give me a straight answer.

I am not the one who wears RF glasses. Although admitted a Fed fan, I have called out Fed as wrong on various issues at various times. I don't blindly support Fed in everything he does (unlike most Nadalites who blindly support him independent of the merit of the matter in hand).

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!People In Glass Houses.........One rule for one and another rule for Roger and his fans
True to form GSM you cant help yourself having Another dig at Rafa fans.You are soo transparent.

 

[GameSetAndMath]

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!People In Glass Houses.........One rule for one and another rule for Roger and his fans
True to form GSM you cant help yourself having Another dig at Rafa fans.You are soo transparent.

You are unable to give a straight answer as expected.

 

[MargaretMcAleer]

You are unable to give a straight answer as expected.

Just leave me alone I am over your crap okay my husband has just been in a head on accident in his new car.Leave Me Alone

 

[GameSetAndMath]

Just leave me alone I am over your crap okay my husband has just been in a head on accident in his new car.Leave Me Alone

I am sorry. Hope he recovers from this well and soon.

 

[MargaretMcAleer]

I am sorry. Hope he recovers from this well and soon.

The car is a right off,though he is not injured which is the main thing,he just rang me with the news 5 mins ago.

 

[Jelenafan]

I am not claiming he withdrew due to injury. All that I said and Fed said was that he was withdrawing in order to prevent injury from happening after such a tough match and listening to his body.

Your claim is that Fed went into RG with the intention of bailing out in the middle. That is baloney. It is not preplanned. It just happened.

I see, so you’re saying Federer would have done the same thing at Wimbledon?

 

[GameSetAndMath]

The car is a right off,though he is not injured which is the main thing,he just rang me with the news 5 mins ago.

Glad he is not injured. Hope you have insurance to cover the damage.

 

[GameSetAndMath]

I see, so you’re saying Federer would have done the same thing at Wimbledon?

I never said anything about Wimbledon. You are trying to deflect from your fallacious assumption that it was all preplanned and Fed did not enter RG with the intention of going as far as his body will allow.

It is his body. He has the right to decide when to push it and when to pull back.

A player may not go after a ball that is difficult to get in an ordinary point. But, if it were the match point, they might do it. You cannot accuse the player of not putting faithful effort for the former case.

Finally, I think Fed has now played 1513 matches. As far as I can recall, he gave walkover in three matches. This is one, a walkover to Novak at ATP finals after a gruelling match with Stan and a walkover to Blake in a minor ATP tourney. Similarly his retirement during a match is almost non-existent. I would let you find similar figures for other members of Big 3/4 and post them (before I do).

You people are making a mountain out of a molehill. As I said before, if Fed has entered into Stuttgart (which was being held during second week of RG) and got out of RG (despite still being in it) in the middle just to play on grass, that would be disrespectful to RG. Not if he quits in the middle to protect his body from anticipated damage if he continues. In case you are not aware, lot of lower ranked players routinely enter into a GS and at the same time also into a tourney that starts during the second week of that GS (as they don't expect to make it to second week of GS).

 

[Moxie]

In retrospect, I wonder if Roger wouldn't have been better off hanging it at RG and playing at least one tougher round. He's far from match tough. Even if he was playing Geneva and RG as tune-ups, he didn't get that tuned-up.

 

[Moxie]

You are trying to deflect from your fallacious assumption that it was all preplanned and Fed did not enter RG with the intention of going as far as his body will allow.

It was patently obvious what he was doing, even before he bailed. It's not terrible that that was his intention, but let's not call it anything else.

 

[MargaretMcAleer]

Glad he is not injured. Hope you have insurance to cover the damage.

Yes he does have insurance,it was the other driver's fault to begin with.,so his insurance will have to pay up and cover the costs.