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Clinton's hypocrisy here is incredible.



ewe....it's really beyond belief, the brazen-ness -- the EASE withi which she just lies and lies and lies.

trump is supposedly ''exposed" to have lied about his ''real INCOME" -- AS IN what rich person doesn't -- generally? playing with tax loopholes -- having expert lawyers to take advantage of every ''legal loophole" -- trump i as a businessman IS going to do that and should NOT surprise americans of all people.

FOUL-MOUTH trump ? ya? 'dissing women?" ya?

well have americans considered that HILLARY'S CLOSEST FRIEND SAUDI ROYALS AND MEDIEVAL AGE honchos are the FINANCIERS OF TERRORISM, ISIL, DAESH,
AL QAEDA from which THEY sprang -- and LOVE TO CUT OFF HEADS?

Wht is common between the savage ISIL and wahhab extremist islam of SAUDI ARABIA of HILLARY'S FRIENDS?

THEY love to chop off peole's heads -- brutalize and oppress WOMEN...

and this is the ''candidate " who actually got a ''DOUBLE DIGIT LEAD" OVER TRUMP


which tell sus a LOT about the american ELECTORATE!!
 
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Clinton's hypocrisy here is incredible.

trump either

for no better reason (and there's none) that BOTH are the dregs of what amounts to the quality of 'leadership"

AMERICA DESCENDS TO.

BUT IF ONE HAD to ''choose" -- my god -- there is JUST NO comparison .

call HIM what you will - racists, crook, egotist, whatever...

HE does NOT have the DEMONSTRATED RECORD of WAR CRIMINALITY that this woman has -- on TOP of her money and corrupt schemes ON TOP of her LUST for WAR..RIGHT UP TO AND INCLUDING NUCLEAR WAR...

people really have NO idea how dangerous this woman and her ''entourage" are.
 

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Clinton's hypocrisy here is incredible.


Not surprising really. I just want to know who is buying this stuff she is selling. But maybe who cares about Syria or Libya or Iraq. All the successful stories of the foreign politics that she's had her hand in deeply. Perhaps she should spend some time with those nice rebels she is supporting in Aleppo. I know countries want more power, want more influence, more of everything, but there should be a line drawn at some things.

Then again she is proud of and supports this: http://www.globalresearch.ca/kosovo-hillary-clintons-legacy-of-terror/5527215

 
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Billie -- i was following in the newspapers (in those times before knowing more about internet) - what was being done - first to dismember yugoslavia (scheme by germany, usa, uk - to provoke ''support' croatian ''independence" - cause chaos - isolate the SERBS in croatia -- blame them for ''war crimes" and ONLY THEM -- AND move on to subjugate Serbia by also dismembering her through support for ''independent kosovo" - and again -- bring in basically kosovo albanian terrorists and thugs to delcare ''independence from brutal serbia" --

i so i was following this very closely -- even as far away as philippines in the province when i happened to go home in a rare occasion -- and i remember - was this 1999-ish?

even based on just local newspapers -- people - at night - as we drank and neighbors and friends always coming to the house like old times -- we'd talk politics all the times (very common in the philippines actually -- it's like our past-time there, lol) --

i had this HUGE argument with a cousin visiting from the north - manila -- because SHE bought the idea of ''milosevic, serbs aggression" -- and i was so suspicious of such reports through international ''ASSOCIATED PRESS" " etc..

because my argument was :this is a small country we never even heard of -- and the USA/NATO are telling the world these people - serbians are a THREAT TO THE WORLD? LOOK AT the map...what do we know about this small country called Serbia? only that they are eastern europeans - slavic, related to russians or share cultures and beliefs-- and probably one of the less wealthy countries or most likely not even as big an economy as OURS -- and YET the american generals and NATO AND ALL OF WESTERN EUROPE is so ''frighteeeeeeneddd" of the ''bad , bad serbians?" that hey have to BOMB them? somethign is VERY , VERY wrong in that picture..TO ME it looks like if there are LIARS in this story -- it's not these Serbian people -- it's the USA and NATO...even if we don't udnerstand why really they are saying the serbians are bad people...".

we went on and on all night like that -- getting drunk and all with our friends there and everyone giving their opinions..sigh...but was SO worked up about it - my mom had to come down and calm everyone down - and THEN SHE, who knew quite a bit about balkans, slavic culture, russia, crimea, she was a college dean and just loved cultures all her life and taught us that way -- and her favorite cultures were the slavic actually ..

then gave us a sort of ''crash course" -- and we all listened - about crimean wars, the orthodox and slavic peoples, their traditions -- etc...to give us an idea of what MIGHT really be the DEEP reasons for USA/NATO "'west" ganging up on serbia at that time...

and that's all i knew THEN...
 
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US playing Syria terrorism card as part of perpetual struggle for global dominance – Assad
The conflict in Syria is part of Washington’s prime goal to impose global hegemony, President Bashar Assad told a Russian newspaper. Terrorists in Syria, he said, are being used by the US and its Gulf allies to assert control over the region, primarily to weaken Iran.

Stating that the West and especially the United States never stopped the Cold War mentality in pursuit of world dominance, even after the collapse of the Soviet Union, Assad said that global tensions, especially when it comes Syria, are escalating into World War III.

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“The whole issue is about keeping the hegemony of the Americans around the world, not allowing anyone to be a partner on the political or international arena, whether Russia or even their allies in the West,” Assad said in an interview with Komsomolskaya Pravda.

While one is yet to see a full-blown clash between the world biggest military powers, Assad stated that the struggle is partly manifested in military confrontation, as seen in Syria, while other strands of the tensions revolve around the issues of “terrorism and security,” as well as “political” outlook.

In the Syrian conflict, the US is using terrorists to achieve its own and its allies’ objectives in the wider Middle East, the main goal of which is to weaken Damascus’ regional ally – Iran. In 2011, when the Syrian conflict began, world powers were negotiating with Iran over its atomic enrichment program.

“It was the main issue around the world, and Syria has to convince Iran to go against its interests, that time. France tried, Saudi Arabia wanted us at that time to be away from Iran with no reason, just because they hate Iran,” Assad said, adding that Damascus received offers to that end after the conflict started in Syria.

“The offers [from Saudi Arabia] started after the crisis ... because they wanted to use the crisis ... 'if you do this, we're going to help you'... that if you move away from Iran and you announce that you disconnect all kinds of relations with Iran, we’re going to help you. Very simple and very straight to the point,” the Syrian leader said.

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After the conflict started, the US and its regional allies used the terrorists which, according to Assad, the US created, to push through its agenda.

“The United States has always, since Afghanistan in the early eighties, until this day, they think 'terrorism is a card we can play. We can put on the table,'” the Syrian president said.

READ MORE: ‘Schizophrenic & incoherent’: US vows to fight Al-Qaeda… but refuses to battle offshoot Al-Nusra

Terrorists which proliferated widely after the fall of Saddam Hussein’s regime in Iraq, were financed and “whitewashed” by the extremist Sunni Wahhabism brand of Islam, exported by Saudi Arabia, he said.

“We all know that the majority of those terrorists belonging to Al Qaeda-affiliated groups, ISIS, al-Nusra, Ahrar al-Sham, and other organizations. They don’t belong to any political movement, they don’t care about any ideology but their own ideology, the Wahhabi Ideology,” Assad said.

It is this threat that Russia is fighting now, Assad said, praising Moscow for its fight against terrorism while demanding nothing in return.

“We trust their [Russia’s] politics, politics based on morals before interests. We trust them because we know that they wanted to support us because they wanted to get rid of the terrorists, not because they want to ask us anything in return, and they never did. Until this moment, they never asked us for anything in return.”

“Russia wanted to fight terrorism ... not only for Syria, not only for Russia, for the rest of the region, for Europe, for the rest of the world,” Assad said.

READ MORE: Terrorists in Aleppo ‘forcefully’ enroll teens – Russian MOD

That battle now is now concentrated in Aleppo where jihadists are centered. Denying US-led criticisms that Russia and Syrian air forces are rather bombing the positions of the so-called moderate rebels, Assad emphasized that anyone who holds a weapon is a terrorist.

“Now, most of the world used the word 'opposition' about people who carry guns and kill people. You don't call them opposition; 'opposition' is a political term; it cannot be a military term,” he said.

Assad believes there are no “moderates fighting” in Aleppo, saying that all armed groups there “work with al-Nusra in the area that’s controlled by al-Nusra.”

“How can you work in the same area if you are not under the control of al-Nusra? More importantly, many of their members – there are videos and pictures of them celebrating the death of Syrian Army soldiers, they were celebrating on their bodies ... In Aleppo, you had fights, and they pictured themselves over the bodies of Syrian soldiers, the White Helmets with al-Nusra.”

But instead of presenting the horrors of Aleppo, Assad said western media is portraying terrorists as “good people who are sacrificing their lives to help the others and children.”

The only way to stop terrorism in short term is to annihilate armed militants, Assad believes, while in the long term focusing on efforts to battle the jihadist ideology.

READ MORE: Several killed, injured in shelling of gov’t-held area of Aleppo (EXCLUSIVE VIDEO)

“If you talk about those fighters, ideological fighters, or terrorists, let’s say, who are fighting our army, the only way is to fight them and kill them. You don’t have any other way. They are not ready for any dialogue, and you don’t have time to make dialogue, you want to protect your citizens, so you have to kill them,” the Syrian leader said.
 

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Serbian president urges ‘democratic nations’ to question if they ‘obey orders from one leader’
Western countries should take a moment to question whether they are truly a democracy or simply obey demands from one leader, Serbia's president said, referring to nations who say “very bad things” about Russia but fail to understand reality.

Speaking to TASS on Thursday, Serbian President Tomislav Nikolic said he believes “many countries, including those very certain about their own democracy, should stop to think if they really match their own ideas of themselves or always obey orders from one leader.”

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“Today many say only very bad things about Russia, about threats allegedly posed by your country, but they do not know what really happens in reality,” he added.

Referring to sanctions imposed by Western countries against Russia, Nikolic said that if Serbia followed in the footsteps of those nations, it would have “ruined everything that we have achieved of years and centuries just for the sole reason somebody ordered us to do so.”

The leader said that “nobody will ever be able to issue any orders to my country,” adding that Serbia has proven it is Russia's “true friend.”

Nikolic said his country is ready to offer Russia products which are not manufactured in the country or are not available due to Western sanctions.

“I see grounds for confirmation of friendship and brotherhood existing between our countries in the economic cooperation,” the Serbian president said.

He noted that while Serbia doesn’t measure friendship in terms of trade turnover volume, the low level with “such a big friend as Russia” is “unnatural.”

“So we should increase the volume of Russian investments to Serbia in this sphere and vice versa,” Nikolic said.

EU sanctions against Russia were initially introduced in 2014, following the coup in Ukraine that resulted in a civil unrest in the east of the country and Crimean decision to join Russian Federation. They targeted Russia’s financial, energy and defense sectors, as well as a number of government officials, businessmen, and public figures.

In response, Moscow imposed an embargo on agricultural produce, food, and raw materials on nations which joined in on the sanctions against Russia. Both sides have repeatedly broadened and extended restrictive measures since then.

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Although countries were aiming to teach Moscow a lesson when imposing the sanctions on Russia, a study published by the French research center in international economics, CEPII, found in June that the measures had cost Western countries $60.2 billion from the beginning of the Ukraine conflict until mid-2015.

“We find the overall costs to total $60.2 billion from the beginning of the conflict [in Ukraine in 2014 – Ed.] until mid-2015,” said the center’s report, adding that EU countries bear 76.7 percent of all the trade loss.

Trade between Russia and the EU dropped from US$417.7 billion in 2013 to $235.7 billion in 2015.

Russia is the fourth-largest EU trading partner in the world, after the US, China, and Switzerland. The country is also Europe’s biggest natural gas supplier and one of its biggest oil suppliers.
 

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and in the LOSSES TO EUROPE -- so large in fact -- it COULD lead to COLLAPSE of the european economy --

WHO IS THE REAL CULPRIT ?

look across the atlantic -- who gave the orders -- from the potomac...
 

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Would be interested in @brokenshoelace 's take on Syria.. even though I know he's not interested in politics per se... but as a man in the region.. what the fallout is, coverage and considerations of citizens in neighbouring countries.
 
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Western Media Attacks Aleppo with Guided Missile Lies | New Eastern Outlook
Author: Jim Dean
People never lie so much as after a hunt, during a war or before an election. ~ Otto von Bismarck

Putin and Lavrov’s “rope-a-dope” tactic of letting the West and its media bash away at Russia endlessly seems to have worked, because the West is losing the credibility war. The proof is growing like weeds all over the alternative media. One of the latest examples had Germany making cheap charges against RT for being a propaganda mill.

Apparently, someone forgot to tell Germany that the CIA has had German media infiltrated for many years, and not the only country in Europe to be on the CIA string. It routinely wants to make sure it can “dial up a smear story” in Europe whenever it needs one, like when the Rupert Murdoch propaganda rags were taking a day off.

The Western claim of a free press has now become a hollow fraud, due to Intel cooption. During the Cold War, there was some justification for the major propaganda efforts, but since the breakup of the Soviet Union, there have been none. Now, the efforts of Intel in media are directed solely against the public, which is always treated as a conditional enemy unless it is controlled.

While the West conducts a behind-the-lines media war on Moscow, the Russian military continues the real war against terror in concert with the Syrian coalition. Its very experienced pilots have been delivering surgical strikes on identified jihadi command and control centers in East, using the new guided bombs that have a four to five meter accuracy.

Western coverage on the Aleppo battle, especially in the US, can only be called hysterical. To read it, one would think that East Aleppo is the only part of the city being attacked, despite the city having been a house of horrors for several years now due to the crimes of the jihadis, who have even mined the escape corridors the Syrian army set up for civilians to get out. The jihadis are forcibly using them as human shields now, with not a word of this in the Western press.

I have just finished reviewing some reports from my fellow 2012 Syrian election monitor friends. We stayed in touch after we got home because we were all in different cities and made different contacts. We are exchanging notes all the time. Jane Stillwater, the world-traveling peace activist grandmother, had stayed over in 2012 to go up to Aleppo where she made some permanent friends and met other independent journalists and activists there.

Her crew of sources, Aleppo expats who are now out of the country, have been reviewing social media’s alleged Syrian armed forces atrocity videos that have been distributed by the jihadi networks. Due to the expats’ intimate knowledge of Aleppo, they have been spotting a number of fake videos. They can spot different architecture between the Old City Aleppo and the newer Western Aleppo.

They have also found older footage being narrated over to make it look recent. The Islamic State put a major effort into social media using any and all tools, including staged material. Maybe the CIA even trained them, as recent disclosures have revealed how the Pentagon fabricated and used all kinds of faked and staged media in Afghanistan and Iraq. Here is a sample of the Aleppo version from Jane’s friends:

“I watched the whole clip several times. Apart from the first shot that has the title of the report, no single picture is from the eastern part of Aleppo…The terrorists took most of that part [the East] with its people as hostage, knowing that the army won’t destroy our heritage, while the terrorists don’t give a penny for all that priceless heritage and historical buildings.”

And here is another, a crude attempt to paint the jihadis with a Western flavor:

“Aleppo, selling roses and listening to Beethoven classical music! …The terrorists prohibited music in any form, and sometimes killed the ones who dare to listen to it. Yet, Ch.4 News wants to tell the European audience how sensitive and educated those rebels are!”

No one expects to see civilians not getting killed during combat like this. When the US coalition kills them by mistake, there is either a quick and brief apology, or nothing said about it at all. We have no embedded reporters giving us tear-jerking video reports of the crying family members, nor any gruesome remains shots.

The Pentagon PR people know the impact such images can have on the public, especially for children victims. But from the coverage of the Aleppo battle, one might get the opinion that the Syrian and Russian air forces had nothing better to do than to bomb civilian targets.

I heard a CBS female reporter on the radio yesterday, who was taken to the front line by the Syrian army in West Aleppo to look across no man’s land. She immediately went into how she could hear the bombs “raining down on civilians” by the Assad regime, all very reductive, as she obviously could not see where the bombs were hitting from her position. She was pitching herself as an “eyewitness” from a half mile away, with her sources all being jihadi PR people who have a long-established record of being highly trained media manipulators.

Even the reporter’s nod to impartiality, by mentioning that West Aleppo was suffering also, was just that…a mention that the jihadis were shelling it, also. The media report contained no empathy for any West Aleppo victims, and further, omitted the fact that the jihadis were firing indiscriminate heavy weapons that had long been targeting particular neighborhoods in the West.

I later saw a CBS video report by the same reporter who did cover the purposefully timed shelling of a West Aleppo Christian school district by Jihadi mortars as the kids were going to school to catch them on the streets. It was shot and edited to give more balance than the previous report, but still left out the most important factor about the civilian casualties.

The Russians and Syrians are using their latest precision-guided bombs that have the best record of reducing collateral damage in warfare to date. The Free Syrian Army and jihadis have no precision weapons, and have continuously targeted civilian areas to kill as many as possible — their standard terror tactic of terror. That huge disparity in intent was glossed over by CBS simply as “civilians were suffering from both sides”, with the propaganda back story that it was all Assad’s fault because he has refused to step down.

This determined demonizing of the Syrian coalition campaign to free Aleppo has been spun as a campaign to kill the civilians when they are no threat because they are unarmed. The Russians are caste as the barbarian hordes from the North, despite Moscow being there legally under international law, while the Syrian Army is portrayed as the hired guns of Assad.

Left out of all those reports is any mention of the East Aleppo civilians being used as human shields, or of their corpses being used as anti-Assad propaganda. And never a word is mention that mercenaries from over sixty countries have fighters in Syria.

In my book we are seeing a World Wide Terror War being waged in Syria where the Western media has crossed over the line into aiding and abetting that effort, with the respective governments leading the way as flag bearers of regime change by any and all means necessary. If Western publics do not wise up quickly, their turn to be victims could come sooner than they think.

But God help them if Maria Zakharova gets hold of them. She has been emasculating Western government and press spokespeople in her daily press briefings which are a joy to watch. She has been saying what should have been Western media’s job, that is before it was coopted and sold out. They have shamed us all and deserve to pay a public price for that. Let them know how you feel. They are easy to contact.

Jim W. Dean, managing editor for Veterans Today, producer/host of Heritage TV Atlanta, specially for the online magazine “New Eastern Outlook”.

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Would be interested in @brokenshoelace 's take on Syria.. even though I know he's not interested in politics per se... but as a man in the region.. what the fallout is, coverage and considerations of citizens in neighbouring countries.

let us be clear about one thing now- for all the world to see -- or actually KNOWS OUTSIDE iof the' westsern'' paradigm of ''news" ..exposed as it is for the LYING propaganda that it is while for decades, centuries even, painting countries the west TARGETS for colonization as ''propagandists" -- (clever strategy really) -

or - in other words -- habitually accusing others of committimg ''crimes, atrocities, brutalities, repression, etc" IT ROUTINELY practices -- and at that - FAR BEYOND its own 'shores'.

and this is:

that the USA, UK, FRANCE, -- and their supine ''european" , western and other collaborating ''leaders" everywhere ARE THE AUTHORS OF GLOBAL TERROR...

using terror BOTH as a rallying cry for populations to ''fight against" while INSTITUTING its growth or laying conditions FOR its rise.

like a serial arsonist who then cries ''fire, fire" ...but is actually the author of it all.

THAT MUCH IS CLEAR.

UK -- pretending to ''escort and confront" russian warships through the english channel -- from russian navy bases in st petersburg or kaliningrad in the baltic sea -- in order to go to syria - and intensify once and for all the DESTRUCTION of the ISIL, AL NUSRA, AL QAEDA, DAESH TERRORISTS that the USA, UK, FRANCE , SAUDIS, QATAR ENABLED to grow and PROTECT AND ARM?

gimme a break...someonethere has been PROTECTING TERRORISTS to enable to them to regroup and gather renewed strength from aleppo and other syrian placs they have INVADED with the help of the western powers -- who THEN pretend that syria and russia are ''indiscrimately bombing civilians" that the terrorists HOLD AT GUNPOINT to prevent them from escaping

EVEN IF SYRIA HAD REPEATEDLY OFFERED SAFE PASSAGE FOR EVERYONE, INCLUDING TERRORISTS IF THEY LAY DOWN THEIR ARMS - but had been rejected

under orders or inspiration from WHOM exactly?

the USA, CIA, UK, FRANCE, SAUDI ARABIA who continue to ARM them of coruse!!

so - let US BE CLEAR>

THE WORD'S ENABLERS , CREATORS, USERS OF AND PROTECTORS OF TERRORISTS

ARE NONE OFTHER THAN THE USA, UK, FRANCE, NATO, EUROPE AND THEIR ''allies" who are the regimes of head-choppers in Saudi Arabia, QATAR and financiers of the same eterrrorists by ''many names' - inluding the ''moderate rebels" who are NOTHING of the sort..but MERCENARIES indoctrinated in ISLAMIST EXTREMISM AND TERROR from many countries -- ALL OF THEM -- THE REAL ''COALITION" /OF

TERROR that the ANGL0-AMERICAN - EUROPEAN AND WESTERN ''GLOBAL RULERS" create!

a teeny, teeny example of how THIS STATE TERROR globally practiced by the west - particularly by the angl-americans -- ?

there are photos of WATERBOARDING perfected by them RIGHT THERE in MY own southern philippines province - from the island where the current [philippines president comes from...

lol.

nothing new here -- TERROR HAS ALWAYS BEEN A WESTERN TOOL OF CONQUEST AND DESTABILIZING COUNTRIES in order to subjugate their populations.

and russia -- which has long experience in FIGHTING IT -- as well as china has experience in FIGHTING it -

are simply -- whether by RT OR SPUTNIK -- REAL NEWS, -- Or more importantly -- DOING IT --

IS SIMPLY EXPOSING of the HYPOCRITICAL ''western" ''truth"..

so exposed in fact, (and which countries all over the world KNOW and have always known it for what it is) -- that the western media no LONGER EVEN BOTHERS to polish up its LYING....it just goes right ahead to lie - no matter how CRUDE and so EASILY exposed...

lol.

lol

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Would be interested in @brokenshoelace 's take on Syria.. even though I know he's not interested in politics per se... but as a man in the region.. what the fallout is, coverage and considerations of citizens in neighbouring countries.

Many were naively optimistic when the Syrian "revolution" first started in 2011, as Lebanon has suffered enough at the hands of the Assad family throughout the years (not that they don't have their fair share of supporters over here). Naively, the situation was looked at as good vs. evil. The poor, oppressed people vs. the piece of shit dictator. And at first, that's what it was. But yeah, soon enough, the situation turned into what it is right now, where atrocities are being committed by all parties.

Now, speaking for myself, I actually find myself rooting for Assad and the pro government troops along with Hezbollah, as it's a classic case of the devil you know. Because if ISIS actually take over in Syria, well, that's a nightmare Lebanon is not ready to deal with. And we're already scared shitless.

I like Obama. Truly. But the US dropped the ball big time in Syria. Foreign policy has been a disaster. I truly don't think ISIS would be where they're at today without the US making extreme (deliberate?) miscalculations.
 
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Many were naively optimistic when the Syrian "revolution" first started in 2011, as Lebanon has suffered enough at the hands of the Assad family throughout the years (not that they don't have their fair share of supporters over here). Naively, the situation was looked at as good vs. evil. The poor, oppressed people vs. the piece of shit dictator. And at first, that's what it was. But yeah, soon enough, the situation turned into what it is right now, where atrocities are being committed by all parties.

Now, speaking for myself, I actually find myself rooting for Assad and the pro government troops along with Hezbollah, as it's a classic case of the devil you know. Because if ISIS actually take over in Syria, well, that's a nightmare Lebanon is not ready to deal with. And we're already scared shitless.

I like Obama. Truly. But the US dropped the ball big time in Syria. Foreign policy has been a disaster. I truly don't think ISIS would be where they're at today without the US making extreme (deliberate?) miscalculations.

Do you sense that this is anywhere near closure or will just go on almost indefinitely?

From what I've been reading, the pro-government forces have the upper hand and it looks like Aleppo will fall... but I'm guessing some of the states that have been backing the opposition forces will just pump more weapons into region...

Is there any semblance of a moderate opposition out there now? or is that just a figment of western imagination... because I'm guessing after such a long bloody civil war - moderates would be hard to come by.
 
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Do you sense that this is anywhere near closure or will just go on almost indefinitely?

From what I've been reading, the pro-government forces have the upper hand and it looks like Aleppo will fall... but I'm guessing some of the states that have been backing the opposition forces will just pump more weapons into region...

Is there any semblance of a moderate opposition out there now? or is that just a figment of western imagination... because I'm guessing after such a long bloody civil war - moderates would be hard to come by.

There is no resolution in sight. In fact, behind close doors, even Hezbollah are somewhat fed up as they've exhausted plenty of resources in their (successful) attempt to save Assad (I don't know if it's common knowledge in the West just how much they were able to tip the scales).

As far as a moderate opposition goes, it doesn't exist among the parties actually fighting still. Or at least, it's been severely depleted.
 

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It seems to me that USA dropped the ball in a lot of these countries, so my only conclusion is that it was not by accident.
 

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first of all -- what ''moderate opposition?"

the moment you even stated that -- and NOT as a quote -- you already adopted the american ploy -- the CREATION of the illusion of a ''moderate opposition" where NONE exists.

the ''opposition" which exists in any country were already DEFEATED in the elections -- acknowledged worldwide as at least as legitimate and free elections as anywhere -- and CERTAINLY by now -- much more so thanANY of the so-called 'leading democracies" ...

whatever assad is like HE is the leader of the country, the government is the legitimate one - according to the cultural and political realities and necessities of the region. and it is HE that holds the country together. PERIOD.

that IS the same as it was with libya, or iraq, or the monarchic/tribal consensus system of afghanistan before the UK and the west meddled intheir affairs...

so -- the point here is_ the WESTERN MEDDLING and imperialism across the world has brought Nothing but divide and rule -- and chaos - not to mention the impoverishment of economies to services the western powers.

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but going beyond that matter -- the point on syria really is:

aleppo once was the largest, most prosperous , highly commercial and richest city in syria whose control is essential to either the sovereignty of syria - or its ''opposition" - the WEST and THEIR proxy armies that ARE terrorists, period.

there are no ''moderates" among them - who are merely factions who flit back and forth between one name or title and another as mercenaries combined from various countries with radicalized wahhabists and salafists finacned by qatar, saudi arabia, enabled by turkey - etc...

ALL -erstwhile ''allies' of the USA, clients of the UK and france, including in saudi arabia's VICIOUS war against YEMENITES..who

from being oppressed for decades and now literally being told to live in hell (it has been reduced to being the world's POOREST nation ) - finally have gotten tired of it -- and NOW are WINNING AND WON'T STOP there -- but move on to RETAKING their TWO NORTHERN -- MOST OIL-RICH provinces FROM SAUDI ARABIA

decades after YOUR british awarded it to the saudi family since dear LAWRENCE of arabia days...

make no mistake about it -- this matter is not up for '''grey areas" ..

ASSAD is the LEGITIMATE RULER OF THE LEGITIMATE GOVERNMENT OF SOVEREIGN COUNTRY SYRIA -- whatever else ANYONE says about them..be they lebanese factions of the ''westerner'' ilk -- or with their own quarrels with assad's father...or be they turkey - or be they expatriates who think they have a better way to hold a country together and prevent it from descending into

what LIBYA has become after the USA, UK, FRANCE AND ITALY were done with it!

and truth be told -- it is CLEAR beyond argument

the USA, UK, FRANCE, the western powers, NATO, and their institutions - including their ''influence' in the UN - , MEDIA (which is COMPLETELY without credibility) -

are the AUTHORS of global terrorism as A TOOL of the american/western empire - that - apart from its SEAMS SHOWING :

global surveillance, serial global disrespect for the cultures and realities and independence and sovereignty of other cultures unlike ''our west" --

is actually FALLING APART from the weight of its own ambitions far beyond its actual RIGHT to even EXIST.

HARSH? of course - but deservedly so.

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now - as for syria? of course it is just a matter of time, barring more chaos and intrusions from the USA/WEST and their minions - who are in syria ILLEGALLY --

before aleppo ''falls" --(there goes another usage that is INCORRECT even as a form of grammar -- it has FALLEN into the hands of the WESTERN PROXY TERRORISTS - nad now must be RETAKEN by ITS sovereign country's legitimate government with russia's help -the ONLY ONE , besides IRAN AND HEZBOLLAH, andchina behind the scenes that ARE LEGAL AND PROPER presence as foreigners in the country...

as it is -- russia/syria has given the terrorists -- and the USA for that matter another ultimatum - AS IS PROPER --

FOR all their grandstanding at the UN with their 'draft proposals' amounting to the SAME THING: |''ASSAD MUST GO" SO THEY can play games to legitimze THEIR presence and ''decisions" onwhat to ''do with syria" after THEY have destroyed it.

and that is:

the terrorists holding aleppo and whatever remaining civilians they have entrapped with them (whose neighborhood they terrorize , to begin with -- because let us remember they are OUTSIDERS WHO ATTACKED aleppo WITH THE HELP of the USA and its ''allies"/..

MUST CHOOSE.

either ''leave peacefully -- have their dignity with them accompanied by the UN special envoy who offered his presence to show they are ready and willing to SEPARATE themselves from whoever will remain -- and those that remain -- WE WILL DESTROY".

is it RUTHLESS? of coruse it is -- but as russia said

"we did not start this -- it is western powers and the USA nad those of you shouting at us in this conference UNSC hall that destroyed syria and caused the terrorism to be where it is...".

as the old saying goes:

"Russia does not start wars -- she ENDS them".

HITLER - THE SWEDES, THE poles and liithuanians, the prussians, the romanians, the mongols, the turks, the british (yes they did long ago actually invade russia from the far east in cahoots with the americans -- and ended up starving in siberia and the rest had to be rescued by russians) -

all tried....

as russian general said a couple of months ago>

"the USA like all the rest seem to forget history -- i guess we just will have to remind them again".

and SYRIA matter is an existential threat to RUSSIA because it is where russian citizens who have been radicalized by SAUDI ARABIA -- the ALLY OF WASHINGTON -- have gone and 'will not be permitted to return , if they continue to fight , -- they are not to be preserved but must be destroyed where they are..".

this talk about 'moderate rebels' is an AMERICAN concoction in order to find excuse for its TERRORISTS to SURVIVE the onslaught that they DESERVE to get from russia and syria ...so they can be ''used later" -- and create their pockets of ''opp'osition'' where the americans hope to carve out their own ''sphere of influence"

the BALKANIZATION project they practiced on yugoslavia and THEN on SERBIA -- AND hope to practice -- BIG TIME

ON RUSSIA itself. a typical, OVERLY USED amerifcan/' british, western - euroepan tactic that EVERYONE on earth knows about

- unless they're idiots . or apologists themselves.

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'No-Bomb Zone'? Does Boris Want a War With Russia?
Tara McCormack (Spiked) 14 minutes ago | 37 0
Calls for intervention in the Syrian conflict are growing louder in Britain, with more and more MPs demanding ‘something must be done’. Last week, the LondonEvening Standard quoted a cabinet minister (who did not wish to be named) who was coming round to the idea of a no-fly zone or a ‘no-bombing zone’. Shortly after, it became clear that the unnamed minister was the foreign secretary, Boris Johnson.

But what does that mean, to enforce a ‘no-bombing zone’ or a ‘no-fly zone’? It means shooting down Russian and Syrian warplanes. Of course, this is fraught with risks, Johnson says. Fraught with risks? The Russian Ministry of Defence has said that any attack on the Syrian military will be treated as an attack on Russian military personnel. Russia has moved anti-missile systems into Syria, as well as on ships in the Mediterranean, following the breakdown of the latest Russian-US ceasefire. Is the prospect of war with nuclear-armed Russia what Johnson means by ‘fraught with risks’?

Last Tuesday, Andrew ‘Plebgate’ Mitchell called an emergency debate in parliament on the situation in Aleppo. Of course, no one wants to get into a shootout with Russia, he said, but if it happens, so be it. The parliamentary debate was full of talk of appeasement and similar nonsense – just a little intervention should do it, and all will be well. Johnson, who has stressed to the House of Commons that Saudi Arabia will not do anything nasty with the British warplanes it has bought, said that Russia risked becoming a pariah state, and has urged people to protest outside the Russian embassy in London.

For the past 25 years, war has been used to weaken nations, a game played by Western political elites for their own sense of moral superiority. It started in Yugoslavia over Bosnia, and then with high-altitude bombing in Kosovo. Western elites chose time and again to intervene for the sake of human rights. Okay, so several states have been utterly destroyed in the process, with hundreds of thousands dead and hundreds of thousands more displaced, but, drunk on a sense of moral righteousness, we did it again, and again. British politicians, and we the public, have become too hardened to bombing faraway places that we know little about. At no point do politicians grasp the fact that killing more people for the sake of protecting human rights is an act of barbarity.

Firstly, intervention does not work. Just look at the destruction of Iraq. Iraq is an example of possibly the most disastrous foreign-policy act post-1945 – from there, all chaos has flowed, including the current crisis in Syria. The British political establishment has spent years embroiled in inquiries about this unmitigated disaster in Iraq. Nonetheless, we went back and did the same thing in Libya. The House of Commons Foreign Affairs Committee (FAC) has just released a very good, and very damning, report of the Libyan intervention, which argues that the UK has done the same thing in Libya that it did in Iraq: intervened without any knowledge of the reality of the situation, or any idea of where to go. Libya has since been thrown into chaos, and has become home to a thriving ISIS offshoot. ‘We came, we saw, he died’, as Hillary Clinton laughed about Gadaffi’s torture and murder at the hands of so-called rebels.

The ink is hardly dry on the FAC report and yet some MPs are debating another catastrophic intervention. It’s as if Libya or Iraq didn’t happen. It’s as if our own parliamentary committees haven’t pointed out what disasters these interventions have been. How many more must there be? Entertaining the idea of further intervention is fundamentally wicked, on a scale much larger than the acts of authoritarians such as Saddam Hussein and Bashar al-Assad.

However, Syria is not Yugoslavia, or Iraq, or Libya. The difference is that, in this situation, Russia has returned to world politics and is protecting Assad. Russia began using military force to protect Assad last year, at a stage in the Syrian conflict in which it was clear that Assad was about to collapse. There is no mystery about why Russia is involved, whatever the Western media say, and it’s got nothing to do with a great love for Assad. When it began its intervention, Russia explicitly said it would not allow another situation like Iraq to happen, and that it was prepared to act ruthlessly and viciously to make sure it prevented such a thing.

So, let’s get this straight. There are some British politicians advocating a policy of shooting down Russian planes in Syria. That they are claiming this can be done without consequences reveals how totally detached from reality they have become. A decade and a half of high-altitude so-called humanitarian bombing, which doesn’t affect us at home in the West at all, and these politicians think that’s all there is to war? Politicians like Mitchell and Johnson seem to think that a bit of a shootout is all that’s needed to show the Russians who’s boss.

What, in the end, would we be fighting for? Terrible as the situation is in East Aleppo, it’s only a part of the city. Life carries on much as normal in the rest of government-controlled Aleppo, apart from the bombing carried out by rebels, which is hardly mentioned in the press. The choice is not Assad or democracy, but Assad or ISIS. Given that there is no public appetite for the UK to intervene in Syria, I wonder what the British public would say if the reality of the situation were put to them. Shall we go to war in Syria to topple Assad and let the jihadis rule? Do we want a World War Three that might end up protecting ISIS?

Thankfully, there were some sensible arguments at last week’s parliamentary debate. Emily Thornberry, the Labour shadow foreign secretary, argued that the last thing Syria needs is more belligerents in a hideously multilevel war. She also made the point that Britain itself was supporting a deadly war in Yemen. It’s of note that Britain is not just selling arms to Saudi Arabia - British military personnel are actually directing airstrikes, too. We should protest outside our own Foreign Office, against Johnson, and force him to explain why British military personnel are directing Saudi airstrikes on hospitals, schools and funerals in Yemen.

One positive sign was that the debating chamber was three-quarters empty, suggesting many MPs are not eager to threaten Russia with war. Nonetheless, the debate itself was a terrifying display of the fact that there seems to be little understanding of the reality and consequences of what is being suggested. Shooting down Russian planes in Syria? It’s a terrible, dangerous idea.
 

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White Helmets: What Everyone Should Know
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The White Helmets – here are a few facts that you need to know. Share this to your family and friends who subsist on Western corporate media:

* The White Helmets, also called Syria Civil Defence, are not who they claim to be. The group is not Syrian; it was created with USA/UK funding under the supervision of a British military contractor in 2013 in Turkey.

* The name “Syria Civil Defence” was stolen from the legitimate Syrian organization of the same name. The authentic Syria Civil Defence was founded in 1953 and is a founding member of the International Civil Defense Organization (1958).

* The name “White Helmets” was inappropriately taken from the legitimate Argentinian relief organization Cascos Blancos / White Helmets. In 2014, Cascos Blancos / White Helmets was honored at the United Nations for 20 years of international humanitarian assistance.

* The NATO White Helmets are primarily a media campaign to support the ‘regime change’ goals of the USA and allies. After being founded by security contractor James LeMesurier, the group was “branded” as the White Helmets in 2014 by a marketing company called “The Syria Campaign” managed out of New York by non-Syrians such as Anna Nolan. “The Syria Campaign” was itself “incubated” by another marketing company named “Purpose”.

* The White Helmets claim to be “neutral, impartial and humanitarian” and to “serve all the people of Syria” is untrue. In reality, they only work in areas controlled by the violent opposition, primarily terrorists associated with Nusra/AlQaeda (recently renamed Jabhat Fath al Sham).

* The White Helmets claim to be unarmed is untrue. There are photos which show their members carrying arms and celebrating Nusra/AlQaeda military victories.

* The White Helmets claim to be apolitical and non-aligned is untrue. In reality they actively promote and lobby for US/NATO intervention in violation of the norms of authentic humanitarian work.

* The Right Livelihood description that “Syria Civil Defence” saved over 60,000 people and “support in the provision of medical services to nearly 7 million people” is untrue. In reality the zones controlled by terrorists in Syria have few civilians remaining. That is why we see “cat” video/media stunts featuring the White Helmets.

* The NATO White Helmets actually undermine and detract from the work of authentic organizations such as the REAL Syria Civil Defense and Syrian Arab Red Crescent.

* The recent Neflix movie about the White Helmets is not a documentary; it is a self promotional advertisement. The directors never set foot in Syria. The Syrian video, real or staged, was provided by the White Helmets themselves. From the beginning scenes showing a White Helmet actor telling his little boy not to give mommy a hard time until the end, the video is contrived and manipulative. The video was produced by a commercial marketing company Violet Films/Ultra Violet Consulting which advertises its services as “social media management”, “crowd building” and “campaign implementation”.
 

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How Britain Funded Syria's “Moderate Armed Opposition” (aka Terrorists with a Human Face)
By Felicity Arbuthnot
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A document (1, pdf) produced last December by the UK Foreign and Commonwealth Office, headed: “ UK Humanitarian Aid in Response to The Syria Conflict”, makes interesting reading.

The British government it states, has spent “over £100 million” since 2012, “working closely with a range of actors” to “find a political solution to the conflict and prepare to rebuild the country in the post Assad era.” (Emphasis added.)

“Our efforts … include providing more than £67 million of support to the Syrian opposition.”



One of the “actors” to benefit from hefty chunks of British taxpayers moneys is the Syrian National Coalition whose website (2) states, under “Mission Statement and Goals”:

“The coalition will do everything in its power to reach the goal of overthrowing the Assad regime …” and to “Establish a transitional government …” (Emphasis added.)

Thus the UK government is overtly supporting the illegal overthrow of yet another sovereign government.

This all reads like a re-run of Ahmed Chalabi’s (image right) Iraq National Congress and Iyad Allawi’s Iraq National Accord, backed by the British and US governments to equally criminally overthrow Saddam Hussein.

Iraq’s football pitches, gardens and back yards turned graveyards, probably three million deaths between the embargo, the 1991 thirty two country assault, the 2003 blitzkrieg and invasion – ongoing – the ruins of the “Cradle of Civilisation” of which Syria is equally custodian, are silent witness to that gargantuan crime against humanity – and history. Will Washington and Whitehall never learn – or is destruction of civil societies, Nazi-like aggression, illegal overthrows and rivers of blood their raison d’être?

Incidentally, Foreign Office accounting farcically includes: “more than £29 Million to reduce the impact of the conflict on the region.” Stopping dropping British bombs would surely be the most practical way to do that – and persuading their US “coalition partners” to do the same. Yet more nauseating, murderous, hypocrisy.

Talking of reducing “the impact of conflict on the region” – here is what the UK is contributing to destroying it – courtesy again the (un-consulted) British taxpayer:

“Each of the RAF’s Tornado GR4 jets costs £9.4 million, and each flight costs around £35,000 per hour.

“Two Tornados are typically used for each flight, and each flight lasts anywhere between four and eight hours. Even at the lowest estimate, each flight costs £140,000.

“Their cargo is four Paveway bombs and two Brimstone missiles, costing £22,000 and £105,000 per unit respectively.

“That’s £298,000 plus the cost of the flight which is £438,000, and that’s an optimistic estimate. If the jets carry Storm Shadow missiles – which cost a cool £800,000 a pop – and conduct an eight-hour mission, the total cost is a hell of a lot higher, and none of this takes into account the cost of fuel.” (3)

The British government document informs that:

“To date, there are over 2,700 volunteers in 110 civil defence stations across northern Syria, trained and equipped with help from UK funding … The ‘White Helmets’ as they are more commonly known … “

The “White Helmets” of course, only work in the areas held by the “moderate” organ eating, child decapitating, human incinerating, crucifying “opposition.”

In Foreign Office parlance, under the heading: “Moderate armed opposition: £4.4 million”, it is explained that this has been devoted to “life saving equipment”, presumably for the head choppers since the “life savers” appear to be their guests. Indeed the “White Helmets” website states that: “They are the largest civil society organisation operating in areas outside of government control …” (Emphasis added.)

Also, near farcically, the Foreign Office informs: “We have also funded Law of Armed Conflict training to help commanders train their fighters to understand their responsibilities and obligations under international human rights and humanitarian law.” Given their track record of near unique, mediaeval barbarity, the “training” is clearly falling on deaf ears.

The UK of course, is in no position to lecture on the law of armed conflict since the newly unelected Prime Minister, Theresa May, has vowed to halt all cases against British service men and women brought by Iraqis who allege torture, murder of relatives, and varying unimaginable abuses. So much for “responsibilities and obligations under human rights and humanitarian law.”

British generosity is seemingly boundless in murderous meddling in other nations. “Media activists” have been given £5.3 million: “UK funded projects are helping establish a network of independent media outlets across Syria, whose work has included sending out messages about personal safety after the regime’s chemical weapons attack in Ghouta and, more recently, active reporting produced by civil society groups and the likes of the ‘White Helmets’ across Twitter and Facebook accounts.”

The “regime’s chemical weapons attack on Ghouta” has of course, been roundly disproved despite the best efforts of Western propaganda. As Eric Draitser has written (4):

“What makes that incident significant, both politically and historically, is the fact that, despite the evidence of Syrian government involvement being non-existent, the Obama administration nearly began a war with Syria using Ghouta as the pretext.

“As the months have passed however, scientific studies amassing an impressive body of evidence have shown that, not only were Washington’s claims of ‘certainty’ that Assad’s forces had used chemical weapons in their war with extremist fighters utterly baseless, but in fact the reality was quite the opposite – the rebels were the most likely culprits of the attack.”

The cynic might ponder that funding “media activists” and the “The White Helmets” to possibly “actively (mis)report” is blatant propaganda. As the propoganda master, Joseph Goebbels knew: Propaganda is the art of persuasion – persuading others that your ‘side of the story’ is correct – with mega money and resources thrown at the “persuasion.”

The UK’s arguable illegal munificence also extends to: “ … working with other international donors to establish and build up the Free Syrian Police (FSP) a moderate police force in opposition-controlled areas … “

Breathtaking. Another re-run of Iraq:

Disband the police, army, all structures of State – and Iraq is the soul searing, haunting, admonishing ghost, mourning the vibrant, cohesive, civil society (for all its complexities, as most societies) it was prior to the embargo and Iraq Liberation Act (1998) which stated that: “It should be the policy of the United States to support efforts to remove the regime headed by Saddam Hussein from power in Iraq…” and signed into law on 31st October 1998, by President Bill Clinton.

As mentioned previously, there is now of course the Syria Accountability and Liberation Act of 2010 (H.R. 1206.) Spot the parallels.

“The White Helmets” have also benefitted from $23 million from the US, according to State Department spokesman, Mark Toner (27th April 2016) and €4 million from the government of the Netherlands. Last week Germany announced increasing this year’s donation to ‎€7 million. Japan has also chipped in.

A great deal of money, it would seem, is being thrown at insurgents and illegal immigrants in a sovereign country, awarding themselves the title of Syrian Civil Defence. Yet they do not even have an emergency telephone number. As Vanessa Beeley (5) has pointed out in extensive writings on the subject, the real Syria Civil Defence was established in 1953, is a Member of the International Civil Defence Organisation whose partners include the UN Department of Humanitarian Affairs – and as all national emergency services, they have a telephone number: 113.

Among the myriad tasks the “White Helmets” claim to undertake is: “The provision of medical services – including first aid – at the point of injury.” Why then were they trained not by expert first responders, paramedics, civil emergency operatives, but by a mercenary, sorry “private contractor”?

According to Wikipedia: “Founder of Syria’s White Helmets, James Le Mesurier is a British ‘security’ specialist and ‘ex’ British military intelligence officer with an impressive track record in some of the most dubious NATO intervention theatres including Bosnia and Kosovo, as well as Iraq, Lebanon, and Palestine. Le Mesurier has also been placed in a series of high-profile posts at the United Nations, European Union, and the Foreign and Commonwealth Office.”

Equally interesting is Le Mesurier’s own site (6):

“James has spent 20 years working in fragile states as a United Nations staff member, a consultant for private companies and the UK Foreign and Commonwealth Office, and as a British Army Officer. Much of his experience has involved delivering stabilisation activities through security sector and democratisation programmes. Since 2012, James has been working on the Syria crisis where he started the Syrian White Helmets programme in March 2013. In 2014, he founded Mayday Rescue, and is dedicated to strengthening local communities in countries that are entering, enduring or emerging from conflict. (Emphasis again added.)

“Democratisation programmes” eh? George Orwell’s “Nineteen Eighty-four” had a “Re-education Committee”, but let’s not get too carried away.

On Tuesday 11 October 2016, the UK’s arguably combative Andrew Mitchell MP, ex-Royal Tank Regiment, who allegedly called Downing Street Police after an altercation “f ***** g plebs”, was granted an emergency three-hour debate in the House of Commons on Syria after allegations by the ‘White Helmets’ that Russian military jets and Syrian helicopters were bombing civilians in eastern Aleppo.

Mitchell stormed the debate all guns blazing, calling the alleged situation “akin to the attack on Guernica during the Spanish civil war” and suggesting the RAF should be empowered to shoot down Russian and Syrian aircraft. He also pushed for a “no fly zone.” As is known from Libya, that is a Western-only fly zone obliterating all in its sights. Guernica indeed.

Again of course, all but Russian and Syrian aircraft are there illegally, but Andrew Mitchell is being advised among others by former CIA Director General David Petraeus, who was also former Commander of US Forces in Afghanistan and of Multinational Forces in Iraq. Not really a mini think tank, some might speculate, where the rule of law is going to have highest priority.

Mitchell also called for extra funding for – you guessed it – “The White Helmets.”

Incidentally, there are rigid protocols for first responders, paramount among which is to protect the injured, the traumatized, from publicity and identification, in their vulnerability.

“The White Helmets” are seemingly never without camera crews handy recording a small body, face facing the camera, dust covered, blood spattered, clothes awry, in the arms of the “rescuer.”

“Lights, camera, action”? Heaven forbid.

Notes

1.https://www.gov.uk/government/uploa...on-Humanitarian_Support_-_Public_Document.pdf

2. http://en.etilaf.org

3. http://metro.co.uk/2015/12/03/whats-the-price-of-air-strikes-5542341/

4. http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-in...syria-is-still-the-main-course-for-us/5470828

5. http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-re...helmets-as-terrorist-linked-imposters/5547528

6. http://www.maydayrescue.org/content/james-le-mesurier-0