Syria

[teddytennisfan]

the link is from RUSSIA TODAY (which seems to have left any MSM WESTERN MEDIA in the dust for having global ''FACEBOOK" I likes...) -

https://www.rt.com/news/317811-isis-moves-military-hardware/

RUSSIAN Surveillance videos of the militants now using MOSQUES as arms depots -- "knowing our russian jets would never hit the mosques"..

 

[teddytennisfan]

BRITBOX...

 

even as we speak -- events are coming SO FAST it's hard to keep track now...''the russian -- slow to the saddle , but when on horseback -- as fast as the wind :"

 

indeed...

now -- LEBANON is going to have ''unconditional support from ISIL" FROM RUSSIA to upgrade lebanon's hezbollah,shiite-christian majority..meaning also israel won't be able to do what it wants there..

note that lebanon and syria, LIKE IRAQ -- have been the middle east's most SECULAR , MULTI-FAITH countries until the USA shock and awe of iraq began to destroy any stability and prosperity they once had...

even as THAT is now OLD news from 2 days ago only --

IRAQ which supposedly is the ''democracy building" showcase of the USA from 2003 - and HAS over 3,000 american specialists to ''guide" iraq --

nonetheless SHOCKED the USA - because right in the middle of the american supervisors and naturally CIA and surveillance - baghdad HOSTED a ''communications center" for RUSSIANS, IRANIANS, SYRIANS...which is how the russian officer went straight to the pentagon commander's office to deliver that message last week telling the americans :"do not fly your planes, do not enter syria".

but if that was not enough -- iraq is supposed to be an american province now, --

 

IRAQ WHICH IS dominated in governance by the SHIITES allied with iran -- has been calling for russian in AIR COVER AND ARMS SUPPORT: THE RUSSIAN duma is now discussing it the request when it officially is called in .

A MONTH AGO - they already sent signals and the americans should have read it: when an iraqi minister said:

"we really would prefer RUSSIAN armaments over the american ones -- they are simply much better and more effective -- and definitely cost far less..they are what we need against terrorists".

once this is put in effect -- the american EMPIRE in the middle east is effectively OVER.

and whatever else the WAHHABI, SALAFI SADISTS AMONG the saudis and their ''imams" who preach terrorism try or do - such as threatening "'jihad against russia, iran and syria" today --

 

THEY are living in a bubble themselves within a saudi family dictatorship that is STARTING TO FEEL the effects of LOSS OF PROFITS due to ITS connivance with the USA AND BRITISH TO LOWER OIL PRICES to hurt russia...

 

and their FUNDS are now becoming limited -- they have a growing BUDGET DEFICIT for the FIRST TIME ince the 1950's..so much so they PULLED 90 billion dollars from the stock market to plug their deficits and domestic expenses 2 weeks ago.

ADDITIONALLY -- because THEY are responsible for fomenting separatism and terrorism IN CHINA'/S western XINJIANG province which china considers a CRITICAL region for ITS ANCIENT SILK ROAD grand project with RUSSIA AND central asian countries --

 

china  has quite openly committed itself to the russian-led coalition to DESTROY these terrorists unleashed by the SAUDI'S AND USA AND WEST. supposedly its refurbished -first -- aircraft carrier that it bought from ukraine (BUILT when urkaine was with russia as ussr) - is already off the coasts of syria..

http://russia-insider.com/en/china-preparing-hit-syria-jihadists-hard/ri10284

THERE was a reason why china already TWICE had naval exercises with russia in the mediterranean and black sea since last year...

they will no longer permit MORE WESTERN/AMERICAN/SAUDI OBSTRUCTION of the grand project of integrating the SILK ROADS AND EURASIAN/AFRICA integration. ..

THROUGH western . american ''divide and rule" schemes.

 

Ooops...

http://russia-insider.com/en/politics/iraq-asks-russian-airstrikes-us-air-force-small-help/ri10285

 

[Billie]

Sadly too many lives have died or have had to seek refuge elsewhere for too many years.  Hopefully everybody understands now that all those interventions, bombings and uprooting of governments had nothing to do with any sort of humane intentions by the West.

And the western media scrutiny over Russian bombing of IS is very laughable.  When they hit a hospital and kill doctors and patients, then it is sorry.  NATO, during the unfortunate and unlawful bombing of Serbia, hit Chinese embassy, TV station, a moving train with civilians, bridges, but who cares about them.

So sad that the nation who suffered the most and was one of the main reasons, I might say sole reason, that Nazi Germany didn't have their way after the WW2 gets such treatment in Western media.

 

[teddytennisfan]

that nato/american hit on the chinese embassy - was so obvious - it was NOT accidental. but a malicious way of sending a message to SERBIA AND CHINA NOT to ''play together" because usa behind nato already ''owns" serbia after all the dismemberment of yugoslavia.

the dismemberment - LATER -- of serbia ITSELF - BECAME the ''laboratory experiment" for the USA/NATO - on their rampage across the world that is on display right now in syria - after libya, after iraq, after afghanistan, after.......

it's all part of the ''grand chess game" of ZBIGNIEW BRZEZINSKI - the polish-american former secreatry of state under carter who boasted |"we have just given the USSR its very own vietnam by cultivating the ''rebels" in afghanistan that morphed into the TALIBAN AND AL QAEDA -- as a way to bleed the USSR - and they succeeded...

 

BUT it is all coming back to haunt the USA AND EUROPE...

but just to show what MALEVOLENT entities they really are -- they USE the monsters they have created -- TERRORISM -- as the EXCUSE for MORE war, destabilization, regime change - for their ''GRAND CHESS GAME" of ''FULL SPECTRUM SUPREMACY" the pentagon loves so much .

 

and what is it all about?

 

ANGLO-AMERICAN - PARTNERED by zionists and european 'superior white culture" colonialist PILLAGE AND PLUNDER of the planet. SAME AS THEIR VERY SECRETIVE ''TIPP''' TPP ''free trade" deceits.

INCIDENTALLY -- when the recent huge military tactics competition in russia - spread through several regions (which shows just how BIG russia is, amazing) -- participated in by russia, china, kazakhstan, belarus, india, pakistan, iran, serbia, venezuela and observing countries -- russia naturally was champion - but serbia did very well in some categories - including taking second place in some.

 

i was watching their daily videos and live coverage that went on for a week...it was amazing...i didn't know TANKS can move SO FAST? at least the russian armatas did (not the ones they later showed in the russian commemoration of 70th anniversay or end of world war 2 where they finallyu unveiled what is universally now considered the most formidable TANK system anywhere..)

they had competitions like soldiers building bridges over wide rivers and see who does it fastest and most secure to get tanks and heaviest equipment cross ...

 

[britbox]

@teddytennisfan 150,000 Russian soldiers being mobilised for Syria.

 

[teddytennisfan]

I JUST wrote a lengthy comment in Russia Insider on this.

and we just have to wait and see if it is ever applied. but what is clear is -- if putin already called for an increase in troops -- as ''in case" preparation - should the ''mo-up'' operations on ground require russian support for syria AND iran (which is already there) - and presumably even iraq --

as their coalition to rid the middle east , once and for all, of america'/saudi/qatar/turkey's proxy ''armies\" of terrorists of all kinds of names --

then 150,000 it is. it does NOT MEAN russia is an occupying country -- because it HAS been under EVERY INTERNATIONAL AND SOVEREIGN requirements of the legitimate governmentof syria -- which IS assad's government with a 80 percent support from syrians including all majorities of sunni (assad is shiite/awaite minority) - alawites, shiites who are NON-alawites, and kurds as well as christians --

 

RUSSIA HAS EVERY RIGHT to be in syria, unlike the USA and its ''allies"" in iraq, syria , yemen and libya who have NO international , un, or security council or soverieng country *(iraq, syria, etc)

 

PERMISSION to have been there for decades.

a RUSSIA TODAY reporter asked the pentagon spokesman at the white house today :

 

"sir what is the LEGAL RIGHT of the USA to be in iraq, syria ? -- was the USA given UN security council unanimous approval ...OR the alternative -- INVITATION By the legitimate governments of syria or iraq?:"

 

the spokesman just MUMBLED something incoherent -- SINCE the world can see it was just ''AMERICA'S SAY SO" that gave ITSELF permissions.

 

they can no longer even LIE properly.

and now russia is calling their bluff about ''RUSSIA is bombing MODERATE REBELS and free syrian army - our allies against assad"...

repeating their own reason -- NOT to destroy terrorists THEY have unleashed but to USE terrorists with various names -- to destroy ASSAD and its government to replace with a US obedient "'ally" --

 

in pure illegality and criminality. just like they did with libya and iraq.

 

BUT THIS TIME -- russia is calling them out -- SHOWING it's NOT gonna happen anymore -- and the american 'regime change' habit IS DEAD!

 

AND 150,000 russians to add to 80,000 syrians and at least 10,000 iranians or even more -- is THE WAY TO SHOW the ASIANS -- meaning russia, iran, syria, iraq -- MEAN BUSINESS. and there will be NO further american \''encroachments" towards the ''heartlands" of asia on the way to 'MOSCOW".

 

that's what this is about --

 

so that the grand projects of RUSSIA --EURASIAN INTEGRATION - EURASIAN ECONOMIC UNION -- AND CHINA -- SILK ROADS across eurasia and connecting all the way to africa --

 

in PEACE AND BUILDING countries together --

 

can proceed without FURTHER OBSTRUCTION and divide and conquer american meddling.

 

did you see last night's missile hits by russia -- 26 missiels hitting targets with precision in under an hour --

 

all the way from CASPIAN SEA -- A THOUSAND MILES AWAY -- OVER permitted iraqi , iranian airspace --

 

to ISIL areas?

the mericans -- little reported in us media -- tried hitting ARMY installations and camps -- with TWO missiles FROM some american ships in the mediterranean yesterday --

 

the RUSSIANS PROMPTLY SHOT THEM DOWN. like they were ducks ..

 

[teddytennisfan]

additionally -- in classic russian sarcastic humor -- that NEVER fails to pin the american/westerners' propaganda balloons --

 

LAVROV - foreign minister of russia - asked: \

"where are these MODERATE REBELS americans are saying we shouldn't bomb? we have a hard time distinguishing between .

 

''moderate REBELS -- and MODERATE terrorists".

they UPPED the ante today by russia saying:

\

''we are inviting the MODERATE REBELS AND FREE SYRIAN ARMY REBELS AGAINST ASSAD TO COME TO THE TABLE TO DISCUSS THINGS...where are they?"

 

because in reality -- they DON'T EXIST!! except in the pages of WALL STREET, THE BRAND NAME PROMOTERS OF AMERICA!

LOL.

 

EVEN THE AMERICAN PENTAGON commander of the operations for SYRIA -- a week ago -- was forced to acknowledge in his congress report about 'where did the 500 MILLION DOLLARS SINCE  months ago go""

to 'TRAIN MODERATE REBELS AND FREE SYRIAN ARMY AGAINST ASSAD?"

 

allhe coupd muster was --

 

we ''TRIED OUR BEST-- BUT ONLY WE ONLY HAVE --- 5, FIVE volunteers -- left".

 

WHERE did the REST GO? OH "

 

''WE don't know" --

 

BECAUSE THEY promptly LEFT WITH THEIR MONEY AND ARMS AND GAVE IT TO ISIL, to buy their TOYOTAS AND ARMAMENTS supplied by who ELSE but saudi arabia, and usa? !!

oh my ....

 

no wonder the russians say:

 

::"well -- it seems the americans have been spending most of their time the past year or so bombing the empty desert...and now they don't like it that we bomb terrorists of ALL KINDS. whatever they name them...if it sounds and walks like a duck - it must be a duck - so we'll bomb it..but we need to know NOW -- whose side are the americans REALLY ON?".

 

[britbox]

Syria launch campaign against jihadists

https://www.rt.com/news/317974-syrian-army-offensive-isis/

 

[britbox]

@teddytennisfan US supplies 50 million tons of ammunition to "moderate" rebels.

http://edition.cnn.com/2015/10/12/politics/syria-rebel-groups-ammunition-50-tons/

How do you define a "moderate" rebel?

 

[Billie]

@britbox you can't.  There are very fine lines and they are easily crossed when dealing with complex political situation.

Here is a nice article about some of the topics that are ever so active.  I like the writing of this guy

http://original.antiwar.com/justin/2015/10/11/no-justice-no-peace/

And it still pains me to see what has happened to the people of Libya, after they lived such a prosperous life under Gaddafi.   There was a wonderful article listing all the things that regular folks should care about when living in any country, and this is about Libya, in Serbian language.  I'll post a link, just in case somebody wants to run it through Google translate, if interested:  http://www.srbijadanas.com/clanak/velika-dela-velikog-vode-evo-kako-je-ziveo-narod-libije-za-vreme-gadafija-11-10-2015

 

[britbox]

The Syria situation is ramping up dangerously.

Turkey shoot down a Russian jet in dubious circumstances.  The jet was shot down in Syrian airspace.  Turkey claimed they warned the pilot 10 times, yet other reports indicate the jet may have spent 10 seconds in Turkish airspace.  Either ground control spoke very quickly or the claims are bogus.

The UK parliament is voting whether to bomb in Syria... a vote that seems certain to go through.  The pretext is to bomb ISIS for national security reasons.... yet I suspect it's part of a larger plot to overthrow Assad.  Russia are backing Assad so a dangerous confrontation is looming on the horizon.

 

[Federberg]

I find Western policy regarding Syria utterly bizarre. Leaders continue to insist on regime change in Syria. Despite all the disasters that have occurred throughout the Mahgreb and Middle East in recent years due to regime change. For once Putin might have it right. Better the devil you know!

 

[britbox]

I find Western policy regarding Syria utterly bizarre. Leaders continue to insist on regime change in Syria. Despite all the disasters that have occurred throughout the Mahgreb and Middle East in recent years due to regime change. For once Putin might have it right. Better the devil you know!

Very bizarre on the face of it mate. I thought the whole Syrian situation was engineered by the west in conjunction with Turkey, Saudi Arabia and Quatar. I think they expected Assad to have been long gone as part of an engineered "Arab Spring" regime change.

He's still here.

So let's assume Assad was overthrown for a minute... By all accounts, for more Syrians than not, he is still the preferred choice. So what would we have... absolute chaos - almost certainly even worse than the chaos we have now.

The only pragmatic end-game is partitioning Syria.

In the meantime, bombing of ISIS is only really a cover... the end game for the west + Turkey + The Saudis + Quatar is overthrowing Assad geopolitical reasons. The Russians have drawn a line in the sand... so it's unclear how this will play out. But, Russia moving their S400 SAMs into Syria is a big statement and I'd hazard a guess that the next Turkish warplane to encroach on Syrian airspace will be shot down by the Russians.

The S400 is a serious piece of kit by the way. People can bag the Russian military all day... but you can't bag their missiles and rockets... they are among the best and always have been.

 

[Federberg]

Federberg wrote:
I find Western policy regarding Syria utterly bizarre. Leaders continue to insist on regime change in Syria. Despite all the disasters that have occurred throughout the Mahgreb and Middle East in recent years due to regime change. For once Putin might have it right. Better the devil you know!

Very bizarre on the face of it mate. I thought the whole Syrian situation was engineered by the west in conjunction with Turkey, Saudi Arabia and Quatar. I think they expected Assad to have been long gone as part of an engineered “Arab Spring” regime change. He’s still here. So let’s assume Assad was overthrown for a minute… By all accounts, for more Syrians than not, he is still the preferred choice. So what would we have… absolute chaos – almost certainly even worse than the chaos we have now. The only pragmatic end-game is partitioning Syria. In the meantime, bombing of ISIS is only really a cover… the end game for the west + Turkey + The Saudis + Quatar is overthrowing Assad geopolitical reasons. The Russians have drawn a line in the sand… so it’s unclear how this will play out. But, Russia moving their S400 SAMs into Syria is a big statement and I’d hazard a guess that the next Turkish warplane to encroach on Syrian airspace will be shot down by the Russians. The S400 is a serious piece of kit by the way. People can bag the Russian military all day… but you can’t bag their missiles and rockets… they are among the best and always have been.

Sadly I agree. And Putin not making too much now of the downed jet is a smart play. He'll have cover to shoot down encroaching Turkish planes. Btw that makes me very nervous. I have a ticket to that stops in Istanbul over Christmas. Bitterly regretting that now! Fingers crossed they make distinctions between commercial and war planes!

 

[britbox]

UK Prime Minister David Cameron strongly selling the "Bomb Syria" strategy to the UK Parliament... and he'll win the backing.

Now, I don't think anyone in the UK will complain too much if he targets ISIS but you can't win the battle from the air alone... it requires ground troops and I believe he plans on mobilising "70,000" "moderate" Syrian rebels to do the dirty work on the ground.

First question - what is a "moderate" Syrian rebel? Cameron calls these the "legitimate" opposition to Assad.  He claims Assad is a "butcher" for killing his own people....  but haven't the rebels done exactly the same?  Last time I checked, the rebels had killed nearly as many Syrians as Assad.

Last time I checked, Assad also had a slight majority of supporters in Syria, so why would a minority opposition taking over be "legitimate"... they wouldn't.

I don't recall any situation where Western countries bombing the middle east has contributed to any kind of solution.

 

[Federberg]

UK Prime Minister David Cameron strongly selling the “Bomb Syria” strategy to the UK Parliament… and he’ll win the backing. Now, I don’t think anyone in the UK will complain too much if he targets ISIS but you can’t win the battle from the air alone… it requires ground troops and I believe he plans on mobilising “70,000” “moderate” Syrian rebels to do the dirty work on the ground. First question – what is a “moderate” Syrian rebel? Cameron calls these the “legitimate” opposition to Assad. He claims Assad is a “butcher” for killing his own people…. but haven’t the rebels done exactly the same? Last time I checked, the rebels had killed nearly as many Syrians as Assad. Last time I checked, Assad also had a slight majority of supporters in Syria, so why would a minority opposition taking over be “legitimate”… they wouldn’t. I don’t recall any situation where Western countries bombing the middle east has contributed to any kind of solution.

I completely agree. And the question needs to be asked, why are the Jews only now fleeing Aleppo. In Assad's Syria a multitude of religions were safe. But now they fear for their safety. I simply can't understand the rationale espoused by the West this time. Regime change has patently not worked in the passed, in more unitary Arab countries, why would it stand a chance in Syria?

 

[britbox]

So the Brits voted to bomb ISIS and didn't waste time starting.

I'd hazard a guess they won't be bombing Al Nusrah / Al Quaeda because they will want these pawns for the endgame struggle with Assad.

 

[britbox]

Interesting and highly probable... ramps up as the video unfolds:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmQw6CryE9M

 

[Billie]

^^ Thanks BB.  You can take a guess which one of the two speakers I liked.

 

[brokenshoelace]

As someone who lives in Lebanon, I am all for bombing ISIS as they pose a serious threat to this country if they were ever to break through. In the case of ISIS vs. Hezbollah, I'd side with the devil I know, without being necessarily too happy about it. But hey, at least my head should remain intact.

However, I find Cameron's statement laughable. Assad butchers his own people. Yes, that's undeniable, and the history of the Assad family in Syria is bloody and shameful. But does the UK have baddie-only bombs that I'm not aware of? Are they not going to tear hundreds of innocents into pieces in the process?