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by the way -- if people REALLY studied the arms capabilities of countries...

right up to nuclear war...

SHOULD russia be forced to defend itself from NATO - in a war NATO/WEST- AMERICA, UK, FRANCE, GERMANY , POLAND, have been the leading ''powers' to provoke (and EACH HAVE HISTORIES of centuries of trying to conquer russia and be REPELLED every single time with EACH making ''alliances' with previous other ''allies" -- such as the ottoman turks over crimea long ago (the british tried THAT twice, the italians and germans twice, the americans tried that recently with ukraine, etc.) -

IF it comes to conventional forces - russia is FAR weaker - particualarly in QUANTITY (TANKS, missiles, planes, ships, ec and of course money) --

inNUCLEAR capacity -- and missile defense (actual defense -- not the FAKE ''missile defense" the USA NATO place on russia's borders) -

russia can WIPE EUROPE off the face of the map in under 30 minutes.

while in actual REAL defense -- (not the fake ''missile defense" of NATO USA around russian borders) -- it is russia's multi-layered defense that is near impossible to penetrate behyond a ''surprise" first strike

which will INSTANTLY REQUIRE''the dead hand response of russia

agianst which NO NATO, AMERICAN DEFENSE EXISTS inreality.

DO THEY REALLY want this?

russia has already just finished a countrywide -- 40 million citizen strong ''emergency" system and training...to ensure that at least 20 million would survive in the moscow region alone -- and the rest relocated to siberia (which itself is far larger than ALL of europe or the USA) -

THE far east HALF OF russia is practically untouchable -- from the pacific side - as THAT attack WILL face the NOW INTEGRATING defense systems of BOTH RUSSIA AND CHINA who can respond - reaching from the pacific the USA'S texas and even washington region at the atlantic..wiping out the entire continental united states..

DO THEY REALLY WANT THAT?

as far as CLOWN borish johnson or present day margaret thatcher theresa may -- do they REALLY calculate that a destruction or ''capture" of KALININGRAD between poland and germany -- will - if pushed NOT turn ALL of the british mainland to ashes with 3 or 4 ICBM's that can NOT be interdicted by ANY known NATO/american defense ?

do they -- these western imperialists - - REALLY want to provoke the russians that way?
 

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first of all -- what ''moderate opposition?"


the ''opposition" which exists in any country were already DEFEATED in the elections -- acknowledged worldwide as at least as legitimate and free elections as anywhere -- and CERTAINLY by now -- much more so thanANY of the so-called 'leading democracies" ...

Wait, are you serious with this?
 

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Wait, are you serious with this?

I'm guessing the elections were a farce... but on the same note, reports seem to indicate that Assad has roughly around the same level as support as the opposition groups put together, so I guess any pre-conditions of Assad not being involved in a settlement are wishful thinking.
 

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I'm guessing the elections were a farce... but on the same note, reports seem to indicate that Assad has roughly around the same level as support as the opposition groups put together, so I guess any pre-conditions of Assad not being involved in a settlement are wishful thinking.

Like I said, things have changed since 2011. Back then, even if they didn't all dare admit it, Assad's approval ratings, if there was such a thing in Syria, were almost nonexistent.

But there's a reason people have accepted that he's better than the current alternatives (it's because he's better than the current alternatives).
 
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The western commentary on Aleppo is hypocritical considering the forthcoming offensive on Mosul in Iraq.

Russia and Syria are called for hitting civilians in Aleppo, yet ISIS are blamed for surrounding themselves with human shields in Mosul.
 

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I'm guessing the elections were a farce... but on the same note, reports seem to indicate that Assad has roughly around the same level as support as the opposition groups put together, so I guess any pre-conditions of Assad not being involved in a settlement are wishful thinking.


and HOW did you come to that 'guess?

about as much as the FARCE of the US , british elections perhaps .

u know ''standards" for the world of ''elections" like? lol.

FACT IS - syria -- for all its different tribes, denominations etc...has existed quite well just as it has been under the assad ' -dynastic family' as they are -- COMPARED to plenty of SO-CALLED
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''respectable" election countries...

it behooves those who think somehow that ''assad must go" or ''isn't the best there is" -- to consider excactly how the countries THEY come from or belong to or make apologies for -- be they SYRIAN WANNA BE ''western poodles" just like JORDAN --

ACTUALLY HAVE ANYTHING BETTER -- such as ISIL perhaps or THEIR own factions to RULE over syria?

like the KURDS perhaps? OR THE TURKMEN of northern syria perhaps?

hey -- how about some of these westernized syrian EXPATS who think it's OUR TURN to rule?

LOL. you perhaps BROKENSHOELACE?

i speak DAILY with syrians of various extractions - - despite THEIR differences , sunni, shiite, alawite, kurd, etc. etc.

ALL agree -- 'assad has been the ONLY one capable of holding the country together. and SHOULD stay and IS the legitimate leader, period".
 

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there are - out of 220 nations on earth...
there are a handful of countries hat are completely OUTSIDE of the control or internal influence of the USA/LONDON banking cabal system...

the FOURTH is gradually removing itself from its 2 decade long betrayal by its own insiders...along with a few others

quite a number that have either been OUTSIDE of that system or tried to break out were DESTROYED...

china, iran, syria -are the top 3 ''completely out of the control of the us federal bank private cartel" ...

RUSSIA CENTRAL BANK has been forced to operate since 1992 under the ''prscriptions" of the USA CENTRAL bank - and putin is gradually laying the foundation to STRIP that power OUT of the russian ssytem..

LIBYA AND IRAQ WANTED OUT ...

guess the connections...and about ''elections" and what is ''legitimate"

according to what YOU FOLKS SWALLOW...lol.
 

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The western commentary on Aleppo is hypocritical considering the forthcoming offensive on Mosul in Iraq.

Russia and Syria are called for hitting civilians in Aleppo, yet ISIS are blamed for surrounding themselves with human shields in Mosul.

Frankly they have to continue to sing the same tune. The official Washington is anti-Assad and anti-Russian so anything that can be used against them, will be bitterly exploited, never mind that the situation is almost the same in Iraq, except they support Iraqi forces there. It's all in the phrasing and regular folks don't really care about Iraq or Syria, so even if they hear something, it will be from their official media outlets, which helps out in the hypocrisy.

It was the same in former Yugoslavia. Once the war was pushed onto the parties there and started, horrible things happened on all sides, but only 1 side was crucified and the crimes of others were not only not publicly exposed, but hidden from public. There is a reason for this tactic.

The thing about Crimea or Eastern Ukraine is the same. Putin is demonized for trying to protect his people yet US and Nato can bomb a sovereign country and take a part of that country for their own reasons, never mind that it was against all international laws and under false pretenses.



It seems that EULEX have started to lay charges against those that the fabulous pair loves so much, so it remains to be seen what happens with all this, or perhaps they will abandon the court once HC is elected president. It wouldn't surprise me.

http://www.rferl.org/a/kosovo-thaci-party-member-indicted/28074637.html
 
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US, Allies Massacre at Will, Yet Condemn Russia
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Of course, governments that act criminally cannot be expected to be honest. But what about nominally independent organizations like the United Nations and Western media? The collective deception is damning of systematic complicity.

What makes it more disturbing is that if criminality can be so capriciously covered-up by institutions that are relied upon for law and accountability then the world really is in a dangerous, dark place.

The latest atrocity involved US coalition aircraft reportedly killing 15 women and injuring 50 others when they hit a funeral procession near the northern Iraqi city of Kirkuk on Friday.

American-led coalition warplanes, including from Britain, France, and Turkey, are bombing Iraq, supposedly to help defeat the Islamic State (Daesh) terror group.

Shamefully, the Western news media, which have been blaring allegations of war crimes against Russia over its military operations in Syria, were largely silent on the massacre near Kirkuk.

Only days before that barbarity, there were several other mass atrocities committed by American allies elsewhere in the Middle East.

In Syria, two F-16 fighter jets belonging to NATO member Belgium killed six civilians in the village of Hassadjek, near Aleppo.

Within hours of that murderous assault, warplanes from Turkey, another NATO member, were responsible for killing some 150 Syrian civilians in multiple air raids also in Aleppo countryside, according to Syrian state media.

Meanwhile, in Yemen, the US-backed Saudi air bombardment continued its slaughter of innocents despite cynically declaring a non-entity ceasefire earlier in the week. Three farmers were killed in Saudi air strikes in Saada province – almost a week after American and Saudi warplanes massacred 140 people attending a funeral ceremony in the capital Sanaa. Another grotesque “anti-terror” operation.

Washington and its allies are now openly bombing sovereign countries without any legal mandate. As such, these actions constitute the crime of aggression – the most grave violation of international law. This is a redux of 1930s fascist banditry by Western states who haughtily pontificate to Russia.

In Syria, the US-led coalition including Britain and France have been carrying out air strikes on that country for over two years, killing hundreds of civilians – all in the name of “fighting terrorism”. Three months ago, in late July, US and French warplanes murdered over 100 civilians, including women and children, in and around the town of Manbij, near Aleppo, in wave after wave of bombings.

Occasionally, the Western news media do give reports on such crimes. But, generally, their duty is to minimize, by describing such incidents as unfortunate “collateral damage”, if not to willfully cover-up, as in the latest atrocity near Kirkuk.

Nevertheless, the entire hideous Western charade is gradually being exposed.

In Syria, for nearly six years the Arab country has been almost completely destroyed by a US-led covert war for regime change. To achieve this illicit objective, Washington and its NATO and regional allies funded, armed and directed a proxy army of the most vile terror groups.

When Russia and Iran intervened last year to help their Syrian ally against this international criminal conspiracy, the country was brought back from the brink of devastation. The terrorist proxy army supported by Washington, London, Paris, Turkey, Saudi Arabia and Qatar, has been routed from hundreds of towns and villages.

Syria is being liberated from a scourge unleashed in March 2011 by US-led insurgents under the guise of a “pro-democracy uprising”. That narrative has always been absurd for anyone with critical thinking. Head-chopping jihadists for democracy? Sword-wielding Saudi and Qatari despots advocating pluralist elections?

Besides, Syria already had a relatively robust democracy under President Bashar al Assad. Before the US-led war for regime change, Syria enjoyed a reputation for religious freedom, peaceful coexistence and benign social development.

The Western media, in the service of promoting their governments’ geopolitical agenda, have grossly distorted events in Syria. Instead of investigating a Western-backed criminal subversion involving state-sponsorship of terrorism, the media have violated honest, independent journalism with outright lies and fabrications. The Western public have been told that Washington and its allies are bombing a (sovereign) country to “defeat terrorism” when in fact any genuine, critical inquiry shows the opposite to be the case.

In the northern city of Aleppo, the Syrian army supported by Russia is liberating tens of thousands of civilians who have been held under siege, against their will, by the West’s terror proxies since 2012.

Western media coverage on Aleppo is a diabolical sham. The US, British and French governments, as well as other Europeans, are jumping up and down with accusations of war crimes against Russia and its Syrian ally.

Scarcely any evidence is presented to substantiate these unhinged Western claims of what is happening in Aleppo. Virtually all the information that the West relies on for its allegations is sourced from Western and Saudi-funded organizations such as the so-called White Helmets and Aleppo Media Center, both of whom are embedded with proscribed terror groups like Jabhat al Nusra and Ahrar al Sham.

The Western capacity for denial is astounding. The vast majority of Aleppo residents – some 1.6 million people – are living willingly under the protection of the Syrian army. Yet the Western media never report this. Rather they focus on a minority district besieged by terrorists whom they lionize as “heroic rebels”.

Even when verifiable live broadcasts in Aleppo, set up at the humanitarian aid corridors established by Russian and Syrian authorities, demonstrate beyond doubt that the truces are flagrantly violated by the Western-beloved “rebels”, still the myth-making continues. During three days of humanitarian pause to help vacate civilians, the militants were seen shelling neutral transport arrangements and of holding people as human shields.

However, Western media vaguely and mendaciously report on “lack of security” hampering aid delivery.

© Sputnik/ Dmitriy Vinogradov

Washington and its European allies, primarily Britain and France, as well as UN chiefs Ban Ki-Moon and Staffan de Mistura, the special envoy to Syria, are a disgrace. So too are the Western corporate news media who have lied all the way to conceal the real criminals in Syria.

In this mayhem and madness, it might seem perhaps counterintuitive to be optimistic. But good reason for optimism is that Western governments and their servile media are exposing themselves for the criminals and liars that they are.

The rogue-state behavior of Washington and its allies has become so rampant it is no longer possible to hide.

The public anger and disdain for this murdering cabal is fueled not only by what they see in Syria and the region. People all around the world are making the connection that US-led warmongering and dirty wars are rooted in the same murdering and plundering capitalist system that is killing their own societies and communities.

People are realizing more than ever that the high and mighty Western leaders who presume to sit as judges casting condemnations on others are actually the lowest, most despicable criminals.

The views expressed in this article are solely those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official position of Sputnik.
 

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exactly -- as BILLIE puts it. BACKED up by the historical facts...

which when USED by westerners -- and i MEAN ''westerners" --
are merely inconveniences to the WESTERN ''story" in which

"we are such CIVILIZED people -- the epitome of human achievements that not only are we bringing civilization and progress to these poor miserable people elsewhere -- namely -- these ones on the EAST, the ORIENT, the SOUTH -- who just DO NOT understand what democracy means, what REAL elections are, how glorious it is to have PERSONAL CHOICE, what and how to bring about prosperity and justice and truth -- and that's why we have to TEACH them...HOW often do we have to SACRIFICE so much for bringing them our generosity? how much do we REALLY have to show that we;ve WORKED SO HARD TO SHARE our shining example of civilization with them...? BUT their HABITS just show that we are FORCED to sacrifice even more of our armies and our money and our blood , sweat and tears and resources just so they can understand our NOBLE cultures' GOOD intentions!!

it is SUCH A BURDEN for US -- the northern, western WHITE PEOPLE!!! and after ALL our generosity in bringing them HUMAN RIGHTS -- so many of them have the DISRESPECTFUL attitude of not showing GRATITUDE to our generosity!!! and instead burn our flags , come to our shores to TERRORIZE US while they MOOCH on our SOCIAL SERVICES AND TAXES ....WHAT INGRATES!!".
 

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a noe:

THE usa CLEARLY HAS -- as usual -- organized its ''friends" internationally -- namely -- SERVILE COWARDLY governments - and ''NGO's" (namely the USUAL WESTERN FUNDED, barely masked US state department shills posing as ''human rights" organizations -- like ''amnesty international..." and what-not --

to
1) ''kick out russia from the United Nations Human Rights council." (where headchopping terrorist funder ''ally" Saudi Arabia sits as 'rotating chairman")
2) ''bring russia and putin to TRIAL for War Crimes"...

roflmao....

they voted ''unanimously" or in majority (whichever 20 or so ''members") ..

that was almost 2 weeks ago with DRAMATIC FLAIR a la \

SAMANTHA ''queen of humanitarian war and responsibility to protect" WAR CRIMINAL POWERS in her previous months' hideous performance about ''these SAVAGE BARBARIC RUSSIANS AND WAR CRIMINALS" ...

except -- as SERGEY LAVROV of russian foreign ministry puts it:

"well...if the USA wants to play this game -- TWO can play that game....there is quite a long list of america's and its allies' record across the world of many, many decades"....

somehow that hullabaloo has quieted down....so far....
 

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US Impunity Erodes World Justice: African Countries to Withdraw from International Criminal Court (ICC)?
By Nicolas J. S. Davies
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The International Criminal Court charges only Africans with human rights crimes while granting impunity to U.S. officials and their allies, undermining what had been a noble idea of universal justice, writes Nicolas J S Davies.

In the past week, Burundi and South Africa have joined Namibia in declaring their intention to withdraw from the jurisdiction of the International Criminal Court (ICC). They are likely to be followed by a parade of other African countries, jeopardizing the future of an international court that has prosecuted 39 officials from eight African countries but has failed to indict a single person who is not African.

Ironically, African countries were among the first to embrace the ICC, so it is a striking turnaround that they are now the first to give up on it.



President George W. Bush and members of his national security team in Iraq in 2007

But it is the United States that has played the leading role in preventing the ICC from fulfilling the universal mandate for which it was formed, to hold officials of all countries accountable for the worst crimes in the world: genocide; crimes against humanity; and war crimes – not least the crime of international aggression, which the judges at Nuremberg defined as “the supreme international crime” from which all other war crimes follow.

As the ICC’s founding father, former Nuremberg prosecutor Benjamin Ferencz, lamented in 2011,

“You don’t have to be a criminologist to realize that if you want to deter a crime, you must persuade potential criminals that, if they commit crimes, they will be hauled into court and be held accountable. It is the policy of the United States to do just the opposite as far as the crime of aggression is concerned. Our government has gone to great pains to be sure that no American will be tried by any international criminal court for the supreme crime of illegal war-making.”

The U.S. has not only refused to accept the jurisdiction of the ICC over its own citizens. It has gone further, pressuring other countries to sign Bilateral Immunity Agreements (BIA), in which they renounce the right to refer U.S. citizens to the ICC for war crimes committed on their territory.

The U.S. has also threatened to cut off U.S. aid to countries that refuse to sign them. The BIAs violate those countries’ own commitments under the ICC statute, and the U.S. pressure to sign them has been rightly condemned as an outrageous effort to ensure impunity for U.S. war crimes.

Resistance to U.S. Impunity

To the credit of our international neighbors, this U.S. strategy has met with substantial resistance. The European Parliament overwhelmingly passed a resolution stating that BIAs are incompatible with E.U. membership, and urged E.U.- member states and countries seeking E.U. membership not to sign them.



At the start of the U.S. invasion of Iraq in 2003, President George W. Bush ordered the U.S. military to conduct a devastating aerial assault on Baghdad, known as “shock and awe.”

Fifty-four countries have publicly refused to sign BIAs, and 24 have accepted cut-offs of U.S. aid as a consequence of their refusal. Of 102 countries that have signed a BIA, only 48 are members of the ICC in any case, and only 15 of those countries are on record as having ratified the BIAs in their own parliaments.

Thirty-two other ICC members have apparently allowed BIAs to take effect without parliamentary ratification, but this has been challenged by their own country’s legal experts in many cases.

The U.S. campaign to undermine the ICC is part of a much broader effort by the U.S. government to evade all forms of accountability under the laws that are supposed to govern international behavior in the modern world, even as it continues to masquerade as a global champion of the rule of law.

The treaties that U.S. policy systematically violates today were crafted by American statesmen and diplomats, working with their foreign colleagues, to build a world where all people would enjoy some basic protections from the worst atrocities, instead of being subject only to the law of the jungle or “might makes right.”

So current U.S. policy is a cynical betrayal of the work and wisdom of past generations of Americans, as well as of countless victims all over the world to whom we are effectively denying the protections of the U.N. Charter, the Geneva Conventions, the U.N. Convention on the Rights of the Child and other multilateral treaties that our country ignores, violates or refuses to ratify.

Avoiding the jurisdiction of international courts is only one of the ways that the U.S. evades international accountability for its criminal behavior. Another involves an elaborate and well-disguised public relations campaign that exploit the powerful position of U.S. corporations in the world of commercial media.

Major Propaganda Funding

The U.S. government spends a billion dollars per year on public relations or, more bluntly, propaganda, including $600 million from the Pentagon budget. The work of its P.R. teams and contractors is laundered by U.S. newspapers and repeated and analyzed ad nauseam by monolithic, flag-waving TV networks.



David Petraeus, a two-star general during the U.S. invasion of Iraq in 2003, with Lt. Gen. William S. Wallace.

These profitable corporate operations monopolize the public airwaves in the U.S., and also use their financial clout, slick marketing and the support of the U.S. State Department to maintain a powerful presence in foreign and international media markets.

Foreign media in allied countries provide further legitimacy and credibility to U.S. talking-points and narratives as they echo around the world. Meanwhile, Hollywood fills cinema and TV screens across the world with an idealized, glamorized, inspirational version of America that still mesmerizes many people.

This whole elaborate “information warfare” machine presents the United States as a global leader for democracy, human rights and the rule of law, even as it systematically and catastrophically undermines those same principles. It enables our leaders to loudly and persuasively demonize other countries and their leaders as dangerous violators of international law, even as the U.S. and its allies commit far worse crimes.

Double Standards in Syria/Iraq

Today, for instance, the U.S. and its allies are accusing Syria and Russia of war crimes in east Aleppo, even as America’s own and allied forces launch a similar assault on Mosul. Both attacks are killing civilians and reducing much of a city to rubble; the rationale is the same, counterterrorism; and there are many more people in the line of fire in Mosul than in east Aleppo.



President Barack Obama shakes hands with U.S. troops at Bagram Airfield in Bagram, Afghanistan, Sunday, May 25, 2014. (Official White House Photo by Pete Souza)

But the U.S. propaganda machine ensures that most Americans see one, in Mosul, as a legitimate counterterrorism operation (with Islamic State accused of using the civilians as “human shields”) and the other, in east Aleppo, as a massacre (with the presence of Al Qaeda’s Syrian affiliate, the former Nusra Front, virtually whited out of the West’s coverage, which focuses almost entirely on the children and makes no mention of “human shields”).

The phrase “aggressive war” is also a no-no in the Western media when the U.S. government launches attacks across international borders. In the past 20 years, the U.S. has violated the U.N. Charter to attack at least eight countries (Yugoslavia, Afghanistan, Iraq, Pakistan, Yemen, Somalia, Libya and Syria), and the resulting wars have killed about two million people.

A complex whirlwind of conflict and chaos rages on in all the countries where the U.S. and its allies have lit the flames of war since 2001, but U.S. leaders still debate new interventions and escalations as if we are the fire brigade not the arsonists. (By contrast, the U.S. government and the Western media are quick to accuse Russia or other countries of “aggression” even in legally murky situations, such as after the U.S.-backed coup in 2014 that ousted the elected president of Ukraine.)

Systematic violations of the Geneva Conventions are an integral part of U.S. war-making. Most are shrouded in secrecy, and the propaganda machine spins the atrocities that slip through into the public record as a disconnected series of aberrations, accidents and “bad apples,” instead of as the result of illegal rules of engagement and unlawful orders from higher-ups.

The senior officers and civilian officials who are criminally responsible for these crimes under U.S. and international law systematically abuse their powerful positions to subvert investigations, cover up their crimes and avoid any accountability whatsoever.

Pinter’s Complaint

When British playwright Harold Pinter was awarded the Nobel Prize for Literature in 2005, he bravely and brilliantly used his Nobel lecture to speak about the real role that the U.S. plays in the world and how it whitewashes its crimes. Pinter recounted a meeting at the U.S. Embassy in London in the 1980s in which a senior embassy official, Raymond Seitz, flatly denied U.S. war crimes against Nicaragua for which the U.S. was in fact convicted of aggression by the International Court of Justice (ICJ). Seitz went on to serve as Assistant Secretary of State, U.S. Ambassador to the U.K., and then Vice-Chairman of Lehman Brothers.



Early detainees at the Guantanamo Bay prison, dressed in orange jumpsuits with goggles covering their eyes, photographed on Jan. 11, 2002. (Defense Department photo by Petty Officer 1st class Shane T. McCoy, U.S. Navy)

As Pinter explained: “this ‘policy’ was by no means restricted to Central America. It was conducted throughout the world. It was never-ending. And it is as if it never happened.

“The United States supported and in many cases engendered every right wing military dictatorship in the world after the end of the Second World War. I refer to Indonesia, Greece, Uruguay, Brazil, Paraguay, Haiti, Turkey, the Philippines, Guatemala, El Salvador, and, of course, Chile. The horror the United States inflicted upon Chile in 1973 can never be purged and can never be forgiven.

“Hundreds of thousands of deaths took place throughout these countries. Did they take place? And are they in all cases attributable to US foreign policy? The answer is yes they did take place and they are attributable to American foreign policy. But you wouldn’t know it.

“It never happened. Nothing ever happened. Even while it was happening it wasn’t happening. It didn’t matter. It was of no interest. The crimes of the United States have been systematic, constant, vicious, remorseless, but very few people have actually talked about them. You have to hand it to America. It has exercised a quite clinical manipulation of power worldwide while masquerading as a force for universal good. It’s a brilliant, even witty, highly successful act of hypnosis.”

If in 2016 the world seems to be more violent and chaotic than ever, it is not because the United States lacks the will to use force or project power, as both major party candidates for President and their military advisers appear to believe, but because our leaders have placed too much stock in the illegal threat and use of force and have lost faith in the rule of law, international cooperation and diplomacy.

After a century of commercial dominance, and 75 years of investing disproportionately in weapons, military forces and geopolitical schemes, perhaps it is understandable that U.S. leaders have forgotten how to deal fairly and respectfully with our international neighbors. But it is no longer an option to muddle along, leaving a trail of death, ruin and chaos in our wake, counting on an elaborate propaganda machine to minimize the blowback on our country and our lives.

Sooner rather than later, Americans and our leaders must knuckle down and master the very different attitudes and skills we will need to become law-abiding global citizens in a peaceful, sustainable, multipolar world.

Nicolas J S Davies is the author of Blood On Our Hands: the American Invasion and Destruction of Iraq. He also wrote the chapters on “Obama at War” in Grading the 44th President: a Report Card on Barack Obama’s First Term as a Progressive Leader.
 

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Like I said, things have changed since 2011. Back then, even if they didn't all dare admit it, Assad's approval ratings, if there was such a thing in Syria, were almost nonexistent.

But there's a reason people have accepted that he's better than the current alternatives (it's because he's better than the current alternatives).


Not according to the bipartisan ruling establishment in Washington that you side with against Trump. Both Hillary and McCain agree that Assad has to go, and if Hillary becomes president, you can expect the U.S. to invade Syria to finally remove Assad.
 
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Like I said, things have changed since 2011. Back then, even if they didn't all dare admit it, Assad's approval ratings, if there was such a thing in Syria, were almost nonexistent.

But there's a reason people have accepted that he's better than the current alternatives (it's because he's better than the current alternatives).


it was ''non-existent?"

let us assume that were so -- as YOU say it.

but please answer -- where DID that place YOU? ONE OF those belonging to the factions perhaps of ''opposition against the assad dynasty?" for what reasons? YOUR particular factions' OWN interests to be able to do BETTER in holding a country together?

enough to be willing to sell out the entire syrian nation for what? ''better alternatives" - such as WHO exactly?

take UKRAINE...
they western ukrainians are factions consisting primarily of ''westernized" or 'wanna-be westerner" peoples influenced by poles, austrians, nazis, lithuanians, and what-not -- who THINK they can ''rule" better than the previous ''pro-russia'' yanukovic and his ''overly corrupt system" -- and sidled up to NATO AND EU - with ''promises of the glorious west"

and TODAY are what exactly? they are the east european equivalent of the ISIL and terrorists that are so DEAR to OBAMA and NULAND who brought ukraine their ''westernization"

the trouble with people like that -- such as those of the middle east - in their love affair with westernization to 'fix the imperfections of dictatorships like the assad regime" -
is they think they can offer anything BETTER as representatives of western puppet masters so long as THEY ore their factions are in POWER.

SO -- now - you talk about ''assad is the best that can be instead of th epoential of the ISIL ''opposition"

which CAME ABOUT BECAUSE OF EXACTLY factions who tried to weaken the country ''against the assad dictators" without ANYTHING NEAR better as their alternative except that they think

|"it's OUR FACTIONS' TURN TO RULE" .

WHETHER you are syrian of such factions -- OR a middle easterner from another country ''in opposition to the assad 'regime' ''

the syrian people - are suffering FAR WORSE than ''under the assad regime'' -- to the point of being turned into a LIBYA or IRAQ..

out of which the SAVAGERY have arisen.

so -- that position you took about 'how assad had no support at all" -- where does THAT place YOU? WHAT does THAT justify as a position, especially as you seem to perhaps have resented the assad ''regime" - THINKING that whatever ''alternative opposition" the likes of you may have supported were going to prove BETTER.

the ''SYRIAN OPPOSITION NEGOTIATION GROUP"

that went to vienna repeatedly -- what were they really?

represerntatives of FOREIGN INFLUENCED groups -- from saudi arabia, qatar, lebanon, jordan, etc. etc. whose sole purpose was to remove assad - NO DIFFERENTLY than the USA and THEIR sponsor countries -- for what again?

"it Is OUR turn to RULE!!"

power for the sake of power -- even if it means the DESTRUCTION of syria.

so -- exactly WHICH are you of - brokenshoelace?
 

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the people who support HILLARY and anyone that preach about ''assad must go because he is a brutal dictator and comes from a family dynasty without support from the syrian people"

NOT ONLY are actually lying..

but don't even understand the IRONY of what they say>

tehy talk about ''assad regime" as if it is some illegitimate government -- while they sit from their couches - whether in the west or other middle east governments supportive of TERRORISTS --

who are ANYTHING but completely LEGITIMATE governments THEMSELVES!
legitimacy? ''support of the people?" \\democratic ''opposition given fair chance?:

EXACTLY what is the CLINTON REGIME ABOUT anyway? if NOT A DYNASTY ? WHAT ABOUT THE BUSHES?

why is a family dynasty in SYRIA or elsewhere that happens to be DISOBEDIENT to the AMERICAN dynasties -- somehow not allowed or acceptable?

DEMOCRACY? that assad ''regime" is suppressing it?

EXACTLY how DEMOCRATIC is the USA ELECTORAL SYSTEM ITSELF anyway? with its layers and layers of RIGGING of elections, of CHOOSING representatives and NOTHING MORE than a soc-alled ''2 party" ONE WAR PARTY system --
where SYRIA'S or the countries elsewhere actually have MORE diverse representation by comparison?

it is LAUGHABLE for anyone to CRITICIZE ''ASSAD REGIME AND HIS DICTATORIAL FAMILY DYNASTY"

be it about ''giving syria democracy" or about WAR CRIMES

coming from those who sit and live under a

dynastic regime USA -- with "2" PARTIES that SUPPRESS any OTHERS in participation --
that has committed ENDLESS WAR CRIMES in country after country after country

PRODUCES TERRORISTS GLOBALLY - sleeps with DYNASTIC FAKE 'royal" saudi HEADCHOPPERS and financiers of global terror..

and calls it all a ''great system"!! ROFLMAO
 

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and HOW did you come to that 'guess?

about as much as the FARCE of the US , british elections perhaps .

u know ''standards" for the world of ''elections" like? lol.

FACT IS - syria -- for all its different tribes, denominations etc...has existed quite well just as it has been under the assad ' -dynastic family' as they are -- COMPARED to plenty of SO-CALLED
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''respectable" election countries...

it behooves those who think somehow that ''assad must go" or ''isn't the best there is" -- to consider excactly how the countries THEY come from or belong to or make apologies for -- be they SYRIAN WANNA BE ''western poodles" just like JORDAN --

ACTUALLY HAVE ANYTHING BETTER -- such as ISIL perhaps or THEIR own factions to RULE over syria?

like the KURDS perhaps? OR THE TURKMEN of northern syria perhaps?

hey -- how about some of these westernized syrian EXPATS who think it's OUR TURN to rule?

LOL. you perhaps BROKENSHOELACE?

i speak DAILY with syrians of various extractions - - despite THEIR differences , sunni, shiite, alawite, kurd, etc. etc.

ALL agree -- 'assad has been the ONLY one capable of holding the country together. and SHOULD stay and IS the legitimate leader, period".

I came to that guess when Assad got nearly 90% of the vote.
 
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I came to that guess when Assad got nearly 90% of the vote.


because maybe -- in the dire situation the people in their disparate tribal interests actually SAW HE is the only one that ccould keep them together? did that ever occur to you? and that likely as not

the opposition coulnd't offer ANYTHING near better? not even from THEIR own tribes?

the MAJORITY of the SYRIAN ARAB ARMY is comprised of SUNNIS.

ASSAD IS from a very SMALL tribe of ALAWITES..which as muslims ALWAYS had a huge support from the syrian LARGE minority of CHRISTIANS. why did these - traditionally NEVER support the other factions? the point here is -- their political life can not and should NOT be judged according to what the west thinks. they have their own realities and why a 'strong dynastic' system with a certain consensus system from among vastly rivaling tribes fits into their historical reality -

which in fact is HOW syria and much of the middle east has allowed its rich differences to somehow live together in relative peace

UNTIL certain WESTERNERS come in to EXPLOIT those differences and turn them into HUGE wars...

such as what the BRITISH did when they sided with a DYNASTY of nomadic Bedouins -- just ONE family among countless families of JUST bedouins -- named the 'SAUD" family. lol.

in reality ASSAD is simply the continuation of centuries thousands of years of existence and system that allowed SYRIA to become one of the oldest continuous and most peaceful and thriving communities on earth -- who were the legendary PHOENICIANS

traders and merchants who were the end point of the meeting of the ancient silk roads of china and the africans and the europeans...where peoples of different cultures could meet and DO BUSINESS in a peaceful manner.

so -- what has the WEST done to THAT? and then have the GALL to decide what is ''proper democracy" to a MARKET PLACE that existed long before the western-northerners were evne savage tribes themselves? lol.

well -- for starters -- the west thinks it can SHAPE this ancient market place to the 'western mold" --yea -- with its TERRORISTS

who literally upend the market stalls and tables and eating places of various cultures - represented by what was ONCE thriving peaceful and VERY democratic SYRIA!

WESTERNERS do no have a DOG in this -- and LEAST of all the RIGHT to actually make judgments on what is ''good elections" in a place of peoples that was thriving and stable in its own way that westerners can't even BEGIN to understand. lol
 

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see -- it seems inconceivable to westerners to have a LEADER that CAN elicit near universal support from their people when their people see that THAT leader is actually the BEST for THEM...

SUCH AS ASSAD in their current realities.

OR putin with 90 percent of russians

since westerners can NOT PRODUCE leaders that DESERVE that kind of support and are happy with 50 percent which they THEN describe as 'thriving democracy" when IN FACT all it means is more likely

that such leaders ARE INCAPABLE of answering the requirements of the OTHER 50 PERCENT!
 

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AS FOR this ''democracy and elections" the west seems to be so enamored of ITSELF for exporting -- usually under the point of a gun --
on countries that can't defend themselves --

what are we to say that - it has produced nothing but CLOWNS -- like the british parliamentarians, the US congress, the german bundestag, the french parliament -- their 'leaders' who jump in the air when uncle sam orders them to --

to the detriment of their populations, businesses, and very potentially their VERY EXISTENCE in the WAR PARTY that RULES all of ''europe" and the ''west" because as they say

"putin must go -- he is a dictator -- just LOOK at that 90 percent rating -- it MUST BE FAKE because he is a dictator"!!

LOL

OR BECAUSE XI JINPING rules like a RED KING of the Celestial Kingdom and DEFINES how he wants his country to go forward with their 5-year plans - just like the emperors did --

but in the process lifts hundreds and hundreds of millions out of poverty -- jails 1 million communist party members for corruption...to ensure foreign investors KNOW their investments are SAFE...

unlike london and wall street who SCHEME with their ''democratic ways" to SINK TRILLIONS UPON TRILLIONS of global savings invested in ''democratic" USA? AND ITS WARS of conquest?

in the name of ''democracy and human rights?"

excuse me -- but if we ever saw FECES being wrapped in perfumed boxes -- THERE YOU HAVE IT

the WESTERN ''IDEALS".
SO -- as the chinese since long ago said when they first saw the british and americna ships appear off their coasts -- to be followed by 2 separate OPIUM wars to ''open up china" --

they were RIGHT - ABOUT ''the white devils -- they are trouble makers".

and it has proven itself across the world...even as the ''white empire" stemming from europe can't evne manage ITSELF - let alone the waves of migrants and among them terrorists which are the CONSEQUENCES of ''western empire's" own ADVENTURES ABROAD where they had NO BUSINESS MUCKING AROUND with societies that were not THEIRS to rule and 'shape" in order to extract resources to enrich itself at the expense of others for their 'lack of civilized white ways" ...

and to TOP it off - it even UNLOADS ITS own self-made DEBT living to others - while simultaneously BEGGING for money from china or russia's savings with their GOLD backing

BUT pretends to the world that ''/this is the expert way of economics". lol. and when it CAN'T exactly get what it WANTS -- it resorts to what else :

WAR by many ways -- economic sanctions, political and cultural aggression, invasions, global surveillance, transactional blackmail, and what have you...

roflmao!
 
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‘US succeeded only in creating chaos in Syria, Iraq’
The US strategy in both Iraq and Syria ‘succeeded’ in terms of creating chaos and then using it as a pretext either to ‘bring democracy’ or ‘clear the area from terrorists’ – the same terrorists they backed, says Middle East expert Marwa Osman.

According to US Secretary of Defense Ash Carter, the US-backed operation to retake the Iraqi city of Mosul has made significant gains. Moreover, the US is gearing up for a new assault on the ISIS stronghold of Raqqa in Syria.

However, the human rights organization Amnesty International claims that at least 300 civilians have been killed in air strikes conducted by the US-led coalition in Syria over the past two years.

RT: As we know, America's now preparing to help liberate Raqqa from ISIS by 'generating' local forces. Who on the ground does Washington have in mind?

Marwa Osman: First of all, before we start asking what groups is Washington backing, and supporting, and funding, and training on Syrian soil, let’s ask - who invited them to come and liberate Raqqa? It has been there under their noses, where they have been practically occupying half of the Iraqi land and a massive part of Syrian land, as well, without the consent and the agreement of the Syrian government.
Also, it was under their noses while they were at the Incirlik base, which is very close to Raqqa… the stronghold of ISIS/ISIL/Daesh. They did nothing when they saw them coming through the desert in a Toyota convoy – they never targeted them…But talking about Raqqa, after Mosul, I think, [first] such a strategy is not to be taken without any serious considerations, because they are not invited, they will be treated as an occupation force in the Syrian land... And number two; if any sort of group is to be taken by the US, or to be trained, or even funded by the US, then that is treason in Syria. The group that is going to openly collaborate with the US-led coalition or with US forces as well will be treated as traitors…

At the moment, it is very obvious that the US has been playing the part of a mediator between the opposite sides. It was funding both sides - the Kurds directly, but the other side indirectly – through its proxy war, through allies. And now it is at the verge of trying to end it to seemingly show that they will take ISIS out at the time when they allowed it to evolve in the first place.

RT: The US Defense Secretary Ash Carter mentioned 'enabling' local forces. What does enable mean in this context? We know America has previously tried to train rebels. Why does Washington think it can pull it off this time?

MO: … According to the strategy of the US in both Iraq and Syria, they did succeed - they did succeed in creating chaos that was a basis for them to say that “we need to bring about democracy”, or “we need to clean the area of terrorists” – the same terrorists that were backed by them…

Just look at the map, and look where Raqqa is and where Mosul is, and on which border they lie. Raqqa is right on the borderline between Turkey and Syria, the same borderline that was open for US and Turkish airplanes to bomb, when the actual terrorists were infiltrating into Syrian territory… According to the reports issued by the UN and by other international organizations these missionaries are not even Syrians. So they obviously went through the border from one state to another – from Mosul and also from Turkey. Look at how vast the border is between Turkey and Syria.

When Carter was saying: “We do have the resources” for such an operation if you will, I think they are underestimating the fact that in Raqqa there are hundreds of thousands of civilians still living there, they are being besieged by ISIS…

The statements, views and opinions expressed in this column are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of RT.

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there was something long ago said by GERMANY'S OTTO VON BISMARCK...

about the anglo-american tandem>

"they are dealers in human flesh -- who make others to do their dirty work for them".

that much is clear in bringing chaos and terror -- and then as the fighting rages -- they 'enter' as 'liberators'. ..and not to be ''outsmarted''

then accuse those such as russia and the sovereign governments such as syria's that actually are forced to take action and EXPOSE them as ''aiding and abetting the enemy -- helping the terrorists and brutal dictators"......