Serious PC thread

[Federberg]

Just after the Queen died, a race hustler on CNN naturally asked a ‘tactful’ question.

And lost.

I always love the look on the Lemon's face. He didn't know what to say! Slavery has existed through out history. It still goes on today.. in Africa, and no doubt other places as well. Who speaks for them? The Barbary slavers predated on the European coast line, along the Mediterranean all the way up Cornwall. Who speaks for them? I'm sure there are a myriad of other examples within the last few centuries. That historian was correct, who gets the reparations? The only clear cut situation where the issue of reparations even makes any sense to me would be France and Haiti. I have to tell you... the French are an absolute abomination. The Italian Prime Minister was totally correct when she railed against the sanctimonious Macron. What about what the French are still doing with the reserves of the Francophone African nations? Let's deal with the realistic stuff first. To be honest most of the talk, particularly from the American left is designed to promote victim culture. It does no one any good. I guarantee you when that's done, the next thing they'll talk about is men making reparations to women for some manufactured historic wrong. Never mind the fact that more men suffered at the hands of men than women ever have. Never mind the fact that this modern world was created by men to the benefit of all. But that's the nature of their politics. It's exhausting and divisive. There might be a case for the reparations that Lincoln promised after the Civil War, but only if the right records and documentation could be found - which I suspect it couldn't. And one would have to accept that a decent percentage of former slaves actually got compensated at the time. But this blanket stuff they seem to be calling for is unrealistic, impractical and they know it. This isn't about justice for the wronged, it's about grouping and dividing..

Also worth noting that some black Americans actually owned slaves too. What do we do with that??

 

[tented]

I always love the look on the Lemon's face. He didn't know what to say! Slavery has existed through out history. It still goes on today.. in Africa, and no doubt other places as well. Who speaks for them? The Barbary slavers predated on the European coast line, along the Mediterranean all the way up Cornwall. Who speaks for them? I'm sure there are a myriad of other examples within the last few centuries. That historian was correct, who gets the reparations? The only clear cut situation where the issue of reparations even makes any sense to me would be France and Haiti. I have to tell you... the French are an absolute abomination. The Italian Prime Minister was totally correct when she railed against the sanctimonious Macron. What about what the French are still doing with the reserves of the Francophone African nations? Let's deal with the realistic stuff first. To be honest most of the talk, particularly from the American left is designed to promote victim culture. It does no one any good. I guarantee you when that's done, the next thing they'll talk about is men making reparations to women for some manufactured historic wrong. Never mind the fact that more men suffered at the hands of men than women ever have. Never mind the fact that this modern world was created by men to the benefit of all. But that's the nature of their politics. It's exhausting and divisive. There might be a case for the reparations that Lincoln promised after the Civil War, but only if the right records and documentation could be found - which I suspect it couldn't. And one would have to accept that a decent percentage of former slaves actually got compensated at the time. But this blanket stuff they seem to be calling for is unrealistic, impractical and they know it. This isn't about justice for the wronged, it's about grouping and dividing..

Also worth noting that some black Americans actually owned slaves too. What do we do with that??

I’ve been reading the Gospels lately, and have been repeatedly struck by how many times slavery is mentioned — including by Jesus — in a manner which makes it clear it was the norm back then. (But maybe @Kieran or @shawnbm would disagree?)

 

[Federberg]

I’ve been reading the Gospels lately, and have been repeatedly struck by how many times slavery is mentioned — including by Jesus — in a manner which makes it clear it was the norm back then. (But maybe @Kieran or @shawnbm would disagree?)

very much so, it's been the norm through out history. Which is the one civilisation that has done away with it, that's outlawed it? Western civilisation. The same folks who are currently pushing the reparation narrative are only to happy to buy products from China where the Uighurs are being enslaved. They're fine with the cobalt extracted with child labour in the Congo. If justice against slavery was truly what they wanted then where's the energy for the current injustice in their own time? We all know the truth... if it wasn't slavery it would be something else used to claim victimhood against the patriarchy or whatever other nonsense they choose to call it

 

[Kieran]

I’ve been reading the Gospels lately, and have been repeatedly struck by how many times slavery is mentioned — including by Jesus — in a manner which makes it clear it was the norm back then. (But maybe @Kieran or @shawnbm would disagree?)

It was the norm then and for long before and after then. Slavery was the natural and pragmatic solution to the question of what to do with people of the losing side in battle - and battle was a constant in the ancient world. There was never a paradise where people lived in peace, there was constant war. And basically it was war between small towns and villages. City states. The winning side took their pick from the losing side, to work in quarries, fields, all sorts of dangerous and onerous manual labour. The women were placed into hideous situations. It was unfortunately quite natural back then, and as @Federberg has said above, it still exists…

 

[Kieran]

I always love the look on the Lemon's face. He didn't know what to say! Slavery has existed through out history. It still goes on today.. in Africa, and no doubt other places as well. Who speaks for them? The Barbary slavers predated on the European coast line, along the Mediterranean all the way up Cornwall. Who speaks for them? I'm sure there are a myriad of other examples within the last few centuries. That historian was correct, who gets the reparations? The only clear cut situation where the issue of reparations even makes any sense to me would be France and Haiti. I have to tell you... the French are an absolute abomination. The Italian Prime Minister was totally correct when she railed against the sanctimonious Macron. What about what the French are still doing with the reserves of the Francophone African nations? Let's deal with the realistic stuff first. To be honest most of the talk, particularly from the American left is designed to promote victim culture. It does no one any good. I guarantee you when that's done, the next thing they'll talk about is men making reparations to women for some manufactured historic wrong. Never mind the fact that more men suffered at the hands of men than women ever have. Never mind the fact that this modern world was created by men to the benefit of all. But that's the nature of their politics. It's exhausting and divisive. There might be a case for the reparations that Lincoln promised after the Civil War, but only if the right records and documentation could be found - which I suspect it couldn't. And one would have to accept that a decent percentage of former slaves actually got compensated at the time. But this blanket stuff they seem to be calling for is unrealistic, impractical and they know it. This isn't about justice for the wronged, it's about grouping and dividing..

Also worth noting that some black Americans actually owned slaves too. What do we do with that??

A good thing that’s entered the modern discussion about race and racism and slavery - and particularly good for America, I think - is that the truth about Africans selling Africans into slavery is being discussed openly, much more than it has been in my lifetime. Recently Viola Davis was in a film called The Woman King about the African Kingdom of Dahomey, but another actress Lupita Nyong’o publicly withdrew from the film once she realised that this tribe sold Africans into slavery.

It will hopefully shift the narrative a little away from the liberal dream of nursemaiding perpetual black victims and creating whiteness studies to perpetually shame white people, into something where reality gets an airing and the complex truth can be openly discussed, no matter how difficult it might be to swallow..

 

[britbox]

It was the norm then and for long before and after then. Slavery was the natural and pragmatic solution to the question of what to do with people of the losing side in battle - and battle was a constant in the ancient world. There was never a paradise where people lived in peace, there was constant war. And basically it was war between small towns and villages. City states. The winning side took their pick from the losing side, to work in quarries, fields, all sorts of dangerous and onerous manual labour. The women were placed into hideous situations. It was unfortunately quite natural back then, and as @Federberg has said above, it still exists…

Yes, it seems it was happening everywhere.

We did some family tree work using the Geneology websites and found our direct paternal line ancestor was convicted of treason for fighting in the Duke of Monmouth's rebellion against James II.

He was convicted at the Bloody Assizes after the Battle of Sedgemoor in 1685 and transported to Barbados to slave on a Sugar plantation. He was there for four years before getting a pardon from William of Orange in 1689. Lucky he wasn't hanged like many of the others.

It appears to have been common and an almost accepted consequence of losing a battle or war.

 

[Kieran]

Yes, it seems it was happening everywhere.

We did some family tree work using the Geneology websites and found our direct paternal line ancestor was convicted of treason for fighting in the Duke of Monmouth's rebellion against James II.

He was convicted at the Bloody Assizes after the Battle of Sedgemoor in 1685 and transported to Barbados to slave on a Sugar plantation. He was there for four years before getting a pardon from William of Orange in 1689. Lucky he wasn't hanged like many of the others.

It appears to have been common and an almost accepted consequence of losing a battle or war.

Wow, that’s some discovery in your family! You trace your family all that way back? Brutal lives for the losing side back then…

 

[britbox]

Wow, that’s some discovery in your family! You trace your family all that way back? Brutal lives for the losing side back then…

I've gone back to 1540 on the paternal side but then it gets difficult as fewer records were kept. There are available christening and Baptism registers digitised from 1538.

But you're right, life was pretty unforgiving.

Federberg mentioned the Barbary pirates of North Africa. I believe they carried out many raids off the Irish and Cornish coasts snatching victims for slavery.

 

[Kieran]

I've gone back to 1540 on the paternal side but then it gets difficult as fewer records were kept. There are available christening and Baptism registers digitised from 1538.

But you're right, life was pretty unforgiving.

Federberg mentioned the Barbary pirates of North Africa. I believe they carried out many raids off the Irish and Cornish coasts snatching victims for slavery.

Yeah that’s right. For so long in the west we’ve ignored victims of slavery because of the inadequacies of the American schooling system which made it seem as though there was only ever one group of people who were slaves, and only one group were slavers, and this story got told the loudest…

 

[Kieran]

Interesting article on wiki about the use of Germans in forced labour as a form of reparations after WW2. Seems reasonable in hindsight, but is it also problematic? I don’t find it problematic but there could be arguments that it is.

And staying on the popular topic of reparations, the issue of whether Germany has finished paying reparations for destroying many countries in Europe is still being litigated. It seems in typically efficient manner they moved the goalposts and stopped paying..

 

[Kieran]

This kind of says a huge amount about woke/pronouns and their real intentions. The narcissism of it is real:

 

[Kieran]

This is a very interesting conversation by two of my favourites. Trigger alert: it lasts an hour. But! You can skip to about 8 minutes 30 and listen for about ten minutes and you’ll see where it’s going. Structural stupidity, what it is, and why. Jonathan Haidt the psychologist, and Glenn Loury, an economics professor. A fortunate and good thing of the internet, that we can get these types of intellectuals discuss the issues of the day, and actually learn something.

They reach a very interesting point about American politics, where Haidt says the Republican Party is structurally stupid, and they get into it. But what Haidt is saying is not exactly what you might think!

 

[Federberg]

Wow! Just wow!

IT worker sues her boss believing 'xx' in email were kisses

She believed his use of the letters in an email asking for more information was sexual harassment.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Kieran]

Wow! Just wow!

IT worker sues her boss believing 'xx' in email were kisses

She believed his use of the letters in an email asking for more information was sexual harassment.

www.bbc.co.uk

I really hope he countersues. His name is out there now. Even if she gets sued for being the most nasty, malicious, ignorant bitch on the planet…

 

[Federberg]

I really hope he countersues. His name is out there now. Even if she gets sued for being the most nasty, malicious, ignorant bitch on the planet…

I've heard stories about women complaining that men don't want to socialise with them in the work environment anymore. I actually thought that was a bit extreme, but then you see this - clearly a ripple from the MeToo movement - and I get it! Progressives have no idea of consequences. Just like the whole Defund the Police crap. That hurt black American communities more than most. Beware of those Manhattan Democrats. Bunch of fucking morons... no offence to anyone who votes Democrat and lives in Manhattan on this forum....

 

[Kieran]

I've heard stories about women complaining that men don't want to socialise with them in the work environment anymore. I actually thought that was a bit extreme, but then you see this - clearly a ripple from the MeToo movement - and I get it! Progressives have no idea of consequences. Just like the whole Defund the Police crap. That hurt black American communities more than most. Beware of those Manhattan Democrats. Bunch of fucking morons... no offence to anyone who votes Democrat and lives in Manhattan on this forum....

It’s like that film The Crucible, with Daniel Day Lewis. A madness has infected people and they’re pointing fingers irrationally, while getting attention and victim points for themselves. It’s obnoxious, and yeah, it’s given to us by the coastal democrat ‘elite’, which really is an ironic and dirty word, given how low level they are - no offence to anyone here intended either!

 

[Federberg]

Well done enabling this to happen morons…

 

[Kieran]

This will get interesting. The Life Of Brian was attacked by religious people when it first came out, and now it offends the religious woke.

Here’s the sketch again, it’s always worth a laugh. But speaking of things ‘religious’, this sketch now feels like a prophecy.

 

[Federberg]

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This will get interesting. The Life Of Brian was attacked by religious people when it first came out, and now it offends the religious woke.

Here’s the sketch again, it’s always worth a laugh. But speaking of things ‘religious’, this sketch now feels like a prophecy.

it still gives me chills whenever I rewatch this. It was prescient!

 

[Kieran]

it still gives me chills whenever I rewatch this. It was prescient!

It’s hilarious, and so bloody sharp!

John Cleese and Michael Palin debated on television at the time with a couple of bishops about the issue of blasphemy in this film. I imagine their argument back then is still the winner in a debate against people who choose to be offended by this scene - but the new religionists of woke-ism might still get their way anyway because their religion is prevailing through sheer force, whereas the church in the late-70’s was at least open to civil debate..