Serious PC thread

[Kieran]

I checked that, and it is there. But keep in mind, the OED is not a standard dictionary. It’s a documentation of usage: if someone uses a word or phrase, they include it, hence their well-known usage of quotations/citations of where they were found.

gender-fluid adj. (a) (in early use) not clearly or wholly male or female; androgynous; (b) designating a person who does not identify with a single fixed gender; of or relating to a person having or expressing a fluid or unfixed gender identity (now the usual sense).
Quotations:
1987 Christianity & Crisis 12 Jan. 463/1 The dispelling of a more fluid, androgynous imagery.., [the] driving out of metaphorical, mystical, and gender-fluid imagery for God in the mainline Reformation has promoted a number of revolts.
1993 Out June 22/1 Suede inspires Gender-fluid fans to storm the stage and shower ‘bisexual but celibate’ singer Brett Anderson with hugs and kisses.
1996 Re: Womyn born Womyn in soc.women.lesbian-and-bi (Usenet newsgroup) 13 May I am not gender fluid, tho I can take on either *role* at times.
2015 Columbia Spectator (Columbia Univ, N.Y.) (Nexis) 13 Oct. 1 Science is also beginning to help us understand the neuroscience behind trans and genderfluid identities.

Yes but on their definition of gender, they don’t seem to have been hacked by activists? They don’t say that gender is ‘whatever you’re having yourself’. Putting gender fluid in as a term that’s commonly used seems normal for a dictionary - they don’t seem to have come down on the side of the revolutionaries and changed their definition of gender…

 

[Federberg]

interesting, but not surprising...

 

[Kieran]

interesting, but not surprising...

Some women: "Leave me alone, pig, your attention is actual RAPE!"

Same some women: "Hey pig, why are you avoiding me?!"

It was always going to be the case that this excessive MeToo reaction would have negative effects on women as well as the billions of innocent men...

 

[shawnbm]

I suspect Catholicism won't be far behind.

I respectfully beg to differ--it is the one Church (along with Orthodoxy) that without question will hold fast to the tenets of the catholic and apostolic faith. The Magisterium is still with us and always will be.

 

[Federberg]

Fisher them?? Fucking weirdo…

Sam Smith corrects One Show misgendering amid âfisher-themâ dreams

When Sam Smith finally hangs up the nipple tassles and retires they see themselves becoming a ‘fisher-them’ sitting on a lake

www.standard.co.uk

 

[Federberg]

brilliantly said! Those who have supported this madness are given the chance to see the insanity and retreat back to common sense. Do it. We won't shame you. It was a mistake, we get it. This is too important to joke about. Just come back into the fold. We'll welcome you gladly

 

[Federberg]

here's the double standard I pointed out some time ago. Unbelievable that there are some idiots on line going at Busta Rhymes! If men aren't allowed to grope women - and no rational decent person should be for that - then why the fk should the same not apply to women??

 

[britbox]

here's the double standard I pointed out some time ago. Unbelievable that there are some idiots on line going at Busta Rhymes! If men aren't allowed to grope women - and no rational decent person should be for that - then why the fk should the same not apply to women??

What if you like being groped by women?

 

[Federberg]

What if you like being groped by women?

hahaha! I'm sure a lot of men are ok with it. But it's interesting how some news reports of the incident, and also commenters are going at Busta Rhymes. Presumably these are the same folks who were cheering on the waitress who kicked a guys ass when he groped her. I heartily approved of her action at the time by the way. I'm just saying... if you want gender equality then if you have an issue with a man doing something to a woman, you should also have an issue with a woman doing that same thing to a man. If you don't... you're not advocating equality.

 

[britbox]

hahaha! I'm sure a lot of men are ok with it. But it's interesting how some news reports of the incident, and also commenters are going at Busta Rhymes. Presumably these are the same folks who were cheering on the waitress who kicked a guys ass when he groped her. I heartily approved of her action at the time by the way. I'm just saying... if you want gender equality then if you have an issue with a man doing something to a woman, you should also have an issue with a woman doing that same thing to a man. If you don't... you're not advocating equality.

I hear you and agree on one level but almost disagree on another. I think every right minded individual is agreed on the fact that unwanted advances should be easily spurned without question, but on the same note, do we need to sign a contract on what constitutes making a successful "pass"...

Most men (and women) of a certain age have probably read the signals wrong at some point, and on another occasion read the signals correctly. Do we forgive occasional mistakes or formalise the entire process into a procedure?

 

[Federberg]

I hear you and agree on one level but almost disagree on another. I think every right minded individual is agreed on the fact that unwanted advances should be easily spurned without question, but on the same note, do we need to sign a contract on what constitutes making a successful "pass"...

Most men (and women) of a certain age have probably read the signals wrong at some point, and on another occasion read the signals correctly. Do we forgive occasional mistakes or formalise the entire process into a procedure?

well of course! That's just basic common sense. But I'm a bit confused. I'm not sure I ever advocated for some sort of formalised procedure for the interaction between the sexes. I'm simply saying that groping is off the table... period. No matter which sex/gender does it. That's reasonable isn't it?

As for signals, that's something for women to speak up about. I've seen men lambasted for opening doors for women in this day and age. Other women should correct the women who do that. I've seen women complaining about men approaching them. Again... other women should put those women in check. Society needs men to still be able to function in their traditional roles. Women who are trying to redefine what a man is need to be put in check. Too often some women complain about approaches from one man that they would find acceptable from another. If men need some level of education or socialisation so do those women too.

Too often in this day and age, women are permitted to slander men, and no one makes them accountable for it. It has to stop.

 

[Front242]

well of course! That's just basic common sense. But I'm a bit confused. I'm not sure I ever advocated for some sort of formalised procedure for the interaction between the sexes. I'm simply saying that groping is off the table... period. No matter which sex/gender does it. That's reasonable isn't it?

As for signals, that's something for women to speak up about. I've seen men lambasted for opening doors for women in this day and age. Other women should correct the women who do that. I've seen women complaining about men approaching them. Again... other women should put those women in check. Society needs men to still be able to function in their traditional roles. Women who are trying to redefine what a man is need to be put in check. Too often some women complain about approaches from one man that they would find acceptable from another. If men need some level of education or socialisation so do those women too.

Too often in this day and age, women are permitted to slander men, and no one makes them accountable for it. It has to stop.

The sad thing is all the double standards out there. A female manager in work said looking good to one of the male managers on Thursday but if he said the same to her he could end up in a meeting with HR. Modern society is a cess pit.

 

[Federberg]

The sad thing is all the double standards out there. A female manager in work said looking good to one of the male managers on Thursday but if he said the same to her he could end up in a meeting with HR. Modern society is a cess pit.

exactly mate. It's fkd up. To be perfectly honest I don't see anything wrong with saying that. I would rather have an issue with the women who call that harrassment or objectifying. The truth of the matter is that women also often objectify men. But in this new world anything men do is bad and women can't do any wrong. Make up your fucking mind. Are we equal or not? And why does society not hold women accountable? The very people who come to their side are actually infantilising them

 

[britbox]

well of course! That's just basic common sense. But I'm a bit confused. I'm not sure I ever advocated for some sort of formalised procedure for the interaction between the sexes. I'm simply saying that groping is off the table... period. No matter which sex/gender does it. That's reasonable isn't it?

As for signals, that's something for women to speak up about. I've seen men lambasted for opening doors for women in this day and age. Other women should correct the women who do that. I've seen women complaining about men approaching them. Again... other women should put those women in check. Society needs men to still be able to function in their traditional roles. Women who are trying to redefine what a man is need to be put in check. Too often some women complain about approaches from one man that they would find acceptable from another. If men need some level of education or socialisation so do those women too.

Too often in this day and age, women are permitted to slander men, and no one makes them accountable for it. It has to stop.

Yes, I know you're not advocating formal procedures but it's where this will likely end up if it continues following the current trajectory... clicking a consent button on some centralised app. I'm half joking but you can see the potential of it heading in that direction.

 

[Kieran]

I've seen men lambasted for opening doors for women in this day and age.

I’ll tell you a funny one. Back in my single days I went for a date with a woman from work. We started in a pub. I held the door for her. I bought the drinks. We were chatting and after a couple drinks we went for dinner. I held the door on the way out of the pub, and again going into the restaurant. It was understood I’d pay for dinner. At some point she brought up her ex. An Italian bloke. I thought, that’s grand and I told her about a Chinese girl I knew. At some stage I described the Chinese girl as - something like this - “petite and ladylike.”

She got a bit furious too fast, to be honest. “What you mean, ‘ladylike?’ That’s sexist!”

I said, “nope, it’s not. There’s women who carry themselves a certain way, just like there’s men who do, and we’d call these men a gentleman. There’s people I wouldn’t eff and b in front of, I’d mind my language. It wouldn’t seem right.”

The conversation spiralled out of control in that way and she got rattled and furious she accused me again of sexism and she got up to storm out.

I said, “I suppose we’re going Dutch on tonight then?”

But she was out the door even faster when I said that. Point being of course, she’s didn’t mind the sexist roles when a bloke is paying - which I would anyway. I don’t even go for coffee with a woman and let her pay, unless she makes a big deal out of it. Doesn’t matter if she’s earning more than me.

Irritating woman. Close escape, etc…

 

[Federberg]

I 1000% agree with this...

 

[Federberg]

Believe all women right?? This is what identity politics driven narratives do. There's no question that the start of the movement had honest brokers, but at some. point the cowboys and opportunists always seize hold of the narrative for their own selfish purposes. Amber Heard vs Johnny Depp was eye opening for me. But another case soon got my attention, with the potential for even more wickedness. The case of Marilyn Manson and the shocking allegations against him. Some of the accusers went on to shows like The View to promote their accusations, and they even made a documentary... Phoenix Rising. Now it's all falling apart. More opportunists have come out since. I can only hope that this is a warning to them. The tide is turning. Due process and honesty must rule the day. If these people aren't punished to the fullest extent of the law then. there's no justice. If it turns out that Evan Rachel-Wood did indeed create this false narrative then she needs to spend time in jail. I am sick to my teeth of women getting away with things like this. She can't just walk away from this. As I've said before, men at the most extreme resolve conflict with violence. Women do the same with social cancellation of their victims. This is social violence and must be deterred with the same fervency as what happens to men. This shit has to STOP!!

Exclusive | Marilyn Manson’s ex-accuser claims Evan Rachel Wood ‘manipulated’ her into lying: suit

“I succumbed to pressure from Evan Rachel Wood and her associates to make accusations of rape and assault against [Manson] that were not true,” the model says.

pagesix.com

 

[britbox]

I respectfully beg to differ--it is the one Church (along with Orthodoxy) that without question will hold fast to the tenets of the catholic and apostolic faith. The Magisterium is still with us and always will be.

The Biblical Church was an assembly of the people, not an institution of the temple/synagogue. Christ whipped the money lenders out of the temple... yet we have the Catholic "church" sitting on trillions of dollars of wealth headed by a Pope addressed as as the "Father" with the Vatican purse controlled by the Rothschild family.

Yet, the scriptures say...Do not call anyone on earth your father (Matthew 23:9) and the countless warnings about putting Mammon (money) before God. The message got lost somewhere along the way brother. Whilst I believe in the Gospel, the institutions of organised religion take you in completely the wrong direction. If you disagree, then ask yourself who you are following? The doctrine of Christ or the doctrine of Rome? One lifts you off your knees, the other keeps you on them.

 

[shawnbm]

well, britbox, I do not have time to address all of that, but I strongly disagree with such characterizations. The first thing to keep in mind is that Christ did not leave us the Bible or His words written on parchment or papyrus; He left His people the Church--He gave it authority to continue His mission here and throughout time for as long as time exists until He does what He will do. The Church founded by Him and for Him and through Him is a human institution with problems of all humans, including sin, apathy, etc. It has money in accounts and real estate holdings, but not to enrich the college of bishops or the cardinals or the priests or deacons, and certainly not the religious orders. It holds all assets in trust for future generations and does great good throughout the world with what it collects from the faithful. That is all for now.

 

[Kieran]

Believe all women right?? This is what identity politics driven narratives do. There's no question that the start of the movement had honest brokers, but at some. point the cowboys and opportunists always seize hold of the narrative for their own selfish purposes. Amber Heard vs Johnny Depp was eye opening for me. But another case soon got my attention, with the potential for even more wickedness. The case of Marilyn Manson and the shocking allegations against him. Some of the accusers went on to shows like The View to promote their accusations, and they even made a documentary... Phoenix Rising. Now it's all falling apart. More opportunists have come out since. I can only hope that this is a warning to them. The tide is turning. Due process and honesty must rule the day. If these people aren't punished to the fullest extent of the law then. there's no justice. If it turns out that Evan Rachel-Wood did indeed create this false narrative then she needs to spend time in jail. I am sick to my teeth of women getting away with things like this. She can't just walk away from this. As I've said before, men at the most extreme resolve conflict with violence. Women do the same with social cancellation of their victims. This is social violence and must be deterred with the same fervency as what happens to men. This shit has to STOP!!

Exclusive | Marilyn Manson’s ex-accuser claims Evan Rachel Wood ‘manipulated’ her into lying: suit

“I succumbed to pressure from Evan Rachel Wood and her associates to make accusations of rape and assault against [Manson] that were not true,” the model says.

pagesix.com

One thing the left have been good at for years - the only thing they’ve been good at, maybe - is branding. They’ve come up with good slogans and they’ve been imaginative in the way they’ve used language. They’ve abused it so well, that they make the small grain of truth seem like the whole of it.

Check them out: white privilege, toxic masculinity, white fragility, believe all women, black lives matter. All of these are catchy have some obvious truth in them, but the whole truth is that there’s black privilege, toxic femininity, black fragility, believe some women - and some men - all lives matter, etc. In other words, they’re only stating what Basil Fawlty would call “the bleeding obvious”, but these things are like sacred hymns for their tribe.

There’s also their remarkable innovations for gender language - gender fluid, cisgender, etc. Because the left is so misogynist, I can’t see how anyone can vote for them. But I give them credit for their ballsy assaults on language and reason…