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Look it was a hot day, players should start hydrating the night before a match, then take enough water and salt during a match
It's more than that. It's the hydrating the nerves you can drink two gallons of water and pee ice mountain water clear before the match but it's still doesn't address the nerves.. Carlos s body overheated which caused the nerves cramping..Trust me THIS I have seen before. Jim Currier's comments were spot on.
 

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It's more than that. It's the hydrating the nerves you can drink two gallons of water and pee ice mountain water clear before the match but it's still doesn't address the nerves.. Carlos s body overheated which caused the nerves cramping..Trust me THIS I have seen before. Jim Currier's comments were spot on.
Well then how does a player overcome that? you know I am not a fan of Courier at times and his comments
 

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I’m not following you, my take on Davydenko's assesment is that this younger ( than Rafa & Novak) generation hasn't worked on their technical deficiencies to get better overall. That is why Rafa/Novak have held on so long.

Relatively speaking, its a matter of degree since both crown princes have sound games. Yet analyzing in the stratosphere level of top tennis; against Rafa/Novak you can’t afford to have glaring gaps in your game or they will exploit them.

Tsitsipas & Zverev have different technical deficiencies, but overall Zverev is a more a defensive player whereas Tsits is more an offense/agressive.
Basically, we agree, so I'll stop quibbling. I was reacting to the "just hitting the ball hard." But we've all discussed at lot the Lost Gen and the Clown Princes, etc, and why they've mainly failed to come good in the big moments. Totally agree with what you say about Tsitsipas and Zverev there. It's why we get so frustrated and disappointed. I DO think one of the failings is lack of effort in improving the places where they are weak. Which speaks to a general mindset that I call "arrogance." In my mind, it's an umbrella term for resting too much on their laurels, believing that they're already good enough, not having the humility to work harder, etc. We talk a lot about the Big 3 pushing each other to constant improvement. I don't know why that doesn't sink into the brains of some of these other players. For sure, they may never possess anything like the talent of Roger, Rafa and Novak, but they could be inspired to get better and better, and figure out a way to peak for top opportunities.

I can appreciate that Zverev has come a long way back to a good level after a horrific injury. And I take nothing away from Ruud, because he played excellent tennis today, and v. Rune, (as well as most of the tournament, after a mediocre start to the year.) He, for one, is rounding into form perfectly, and I hope he's ready to peak on Sunday. But Zverev barely showed up today, and I'm not sure why that is.
 

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I think it's a bit early to worry about serious damage from cramps. It's something his team needs to address asap, though.

It's hard to feel sorry for people who bet on a tennis match and lost. Gambling means, well, you're taking a risk. Carlos did the right and honorable thing by seeing such an important match out. If he had considered for one second what happened to the gamblers when deciding what to do in that match, wouldn't he get a fine and a ban?
Of course, very honorable to play on. Merely saying an absolute TON of money was lost today and the bookies cleaned up. Nah, no chance he'd get a fine for quitting when hobbled. If not hobbled then sure.
 
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Look it was a hot day, players should start hydrating the night before a match, then take enough water and salt during a match
As an erstwhile marathon runner, I have to say that you can't start hydrating the night before. Hydrating your body and storing glycogen in your muscles in a long game. Which I'm sure you know, as a medical professional and a runner. Given that Alcaraz is an elite athlete with a strong team, I'm sure they're looking at what deficiencies there are, like potassium. I'm sure they'll sort him out.
 

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Well then how does a player overcome that? you know I am not a fan of Courier at times and his comments
Paul Annacone said afterwards that he had the same type of issues during his playing days.. He had to get with a medical nutritionist to try to replace the nutrients that he was loosing so quickly while playing.. Its a learning process that he went thru..
 

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As an erstwhile marathon runner, I have to say that you can't start hydrating the night before. Hydrating your body and storing glycogen in your muscles in a long game. Which I'm sure you know, as a medical professional and a runner. Given that Alcaraz is an elite athlete with a strong team, I'm sure they're looking at what deficiencies there are, like potassium. I'm sure they'll sort him out.
Well I know personally I eat carbs the night before a half marathon, I also take potassium at night as well,
 

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Of course, very honorable to play on. Merely saying an absolute TON of money was lost today and the bookies cleaned up. Nah, no chance he'd get a fine for quitting when hobbled. If not hobbled then sure.
I think you sort of miss my point, but the main one is that I don't give a flying about people that lost money because Carlitos lost the match today. There was always a solid chance he would have, anyway. To me, betting on that match either way was a big gamble, and for not much pay-out, if I understand gambling at all. Right? The odds on either were very close.
 

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My commies on the match, Todd Woodbridge a former player said he probably didnt take enough water, salt etc, reason for cramping? also he started taking water the night before a match, if it was going to be a hot day? I am now confused lol!
Though if it was his body overheating due to nerves that puts a whole new situation why he was cramping
I would suggest get a FBC to make sure any of the essential level of vitimens he needs in his body, is low? maybe go from there
 
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Paul Annacone said afterwards that he had the same type of issues during his playing days.. He had to get with a medical nutritionist to try to replace the nutrients that he was loosing so quickly while playing.. Its a learning process that he went thru..

I'm not faulting you or trying to start anything, but I can remember how brutal the fans and commentators burned Novak's arse when he seemed to wilt under pressure early on! It was found he needed septum surgery & had to change his diet to gluten-free! It's amazing how people forget so soon, but accept Carlos has to do something to improve his stamina & fitness! I just shake my head how "what's good for the goose" isn't always good enough for the entire gander; esp. if you hate one of them! :anxious-face-with-sweat: :face-with-head-bandage::fearful-face::face-with-tears-of-joy::face-with-hand-over-mouth:
 

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As an erstwhile marathon runner, I have to say that you can't start hydrating the night before. Hydrating your body and storing glycogen in your muscles in a long game. Which I'm sure you know, as a medical professional and a runner. Given that Alcaraz is an elite athlete with a strong team, I'm sure they're looking at what deficiencies there are, like potassium. I'm sure they'll sort him out.
Reading that I recall a certain moment of BANANA being shouted before :face-with-tears-of-joy:
 
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Paul Annacone said afterwards that he had the same type of issues during his playing days.. He had to get with a medical nutritionist to try to replace the nutrients that he was loosing so quickly while playing.. Its a learning process that he went thru..
Exactly...he needs a nutritionist who can tell him what he, in particular, is losing when he plays, and when he sweats a lot. And my understanding is that they can fine-tune that very well these days.
Well I know personally I eat carbs the night before a half marathon, I also take potassium at night as well,
Yes, everyone carbo-loads the night before a marathon, and drinks loads of water, but my point is that if you haven't been tending to that, all along, the night before is too late. Let me get a little nerdy here, for the laymen (not you): Your muscles and liver store glycogen (sugar) to burn as fast fuel. You can increase the storage space in your muscles, for glycogen, by stuffing them with carbs, then depleting them in training, then stuffing them again, and they "inflate," like a balloon. Feed them and deflate them, and they will hold more and more ready-fuel to burn. This all takes time, and is part of what training is about. When you've used up your glycogen stores, your body starts burning fat, and then muscle. When it starts burning muscle, that's where you get damage, albeit generally short-term. (To @Front242's concern.)

Another thing that takes time is proper hydration. That happens over time, not overnight. Your body only learns to store water effectively when you teach it to.

I know that marathoning isn't the same as playing tennis, but, having heard the expression in terms of the Majors, "it's not a sprint, it's a marathon," I have to think that similar rules apply to the body of a tennis player.
 
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Exactly...he needs a nutritionist who can tell him what he, in particular, is losing when he plays, and when he sweats a lot. And my understanding is that they can fine-tune that very well these days.

Yes, everyone carbo-loads the night before a marathon, and drinks loads of water, but my point is that if you haven't been tending to that, all along, the night before is too late. Let me get a little nerdy here, for the laymen (not you): Your muscles and liver store glycogen (sugar) to burn as fast fuel. You can increase the storage space in your muscles, for glycogen, by stuffing them with carbs, then depleting them in training, then stuffing them again, and they "inflate," like a balloon. Feed them and deflate them, and they will hold more and more ready-fuel to burn. This all takes time, and is part of what training is about. When you've used up your glycogen stores, your body starts burning fat, and then muscle. When it starts burning muscle, that's where you get damage, albeit generally short-term. (To @Front242's concern.)

Another thing that takes time is proper hydration. That happens over time, not overnight. Your body only learns to store water effectively when you teach it to.

I know that marathoning isn't the same as playing tennis, but, having heard the expression in terms of the Majors, "it's not a sprint, it's a marathon," I have to think that similar rules apply to the body of a tennis player.
I haven't lifted any weights for 3.5 years now so I've lost plenty of muscle unfortunately :( Vitargo is amazing for complex carbs. Used drink that during gym sessions mixed with some BCAAs and AAKG. Crazy pump. 75 grams of carbs to fuel your workout. Normally used by long distance runners to carb load but I decided to try it for weight training sessions. Go in flat as a pancake after work and 30 mins later everyone is looking at you like you're a juice head your arms swell up so much :D
 
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I'm not faulting you or trying to start anything, but I can remember how brutal the fans and commentators burned Novak's arse when he seemed to wilt under pressure early on! It was found he needed septum surgery & had to change his diet to gluten-free! It's amazing how people forget so soon, but accept Carlos has to do something to improve his stamina & fitness! I just shake my head how "what's good for the goose" isn't always good enough for the entire gander; esp. if you hate one of them!
Novak was retiring all the time. I don't remember the septum surgery, but going gluten free did change his health. No one has forgotten that, I'm willing to wager, and we take heart in that for Alcaraz.

I wish the Admins would fine you $5 for every time you say "hate/haters/hatahs" when it's uncalled for. They could fund the website on it. :lulz1:
 

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I haven't lifted any weights for 3.5 years now so I've lost plenty of muscle unfortunately :( Vitargo is amazing for complex carbs. Used drink that during gym sessions mixed with some BCAAs and AAKG. Crazy pump. 75 grams of carbs to fuel your workout. Normally used by long distance runners to carb load but I decided to try it for weight training sessions. Go in flat as a pancake after work and 30 mins later everyone is looking at you like you're a juice head your arms swell up so much :D
So you know what I'm talking about, sort of. Complex carbs are the answer, and I'm not talking just pasta and pizza. But the point is not to look "jacked," just to have increased fuel storage in the muscles. And also to take the long-view on hydration.
 

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So you know what I'm talking about, sort of. Complex carbs are the answer, and I'm not talking just pasta and pizza. But the point is not to look "jacked," just to have increased fuel storage in the muscles. And also to take the long-view on hydration.
It's amazing stuff.

https://intl.vitargo.com/
 

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So you know what I'm talking about, sort of. Complex carbs are the answer, and I'm not talking just pasta and pizza. But the point is not to look "jacked," just to have increased fuel storage in the muscles. And also to take the long-view on hydration.
I still feel Alcaraz needs a FBC just to see the levels in his blood, there could be something low there that needs attention?
 

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BTW I did see Alcaraz munching on a Banana during a change over, Fronty will be happy with that news, potassium plus!
 
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