Rogers Cup SF - Djokovic v. Nadal

[ClayDeath]

RE: Roger's Cup SF - Djokovic v. Nadal

Did you really just give Milos a chance tomorrow? Now that's pessimistic!!

nadal made 5 wimby finals and won 2 of them.



did you give darcis a chance at Wimbledon?


darcis wins barely 28% of his matches at slams.

against a man who wins 88% of this matches at slams.






well milos is a bit better than darcis. so yes he has a chance.

 

[atttomole]

RE: Roger's Cup SF - Djokovic v. Nadal

I think this match could have gone either way. I do not think any conclusions can be drawn from the outcome of this match. But I have to say that Djokovic was generous today.

 

[Moxie]

RE: Roger's Cup SF - Djokovic v. Nadal

I think this match could have gone either way. I do not think any conclusions can be drawn from the outcome of this match. But I have to say that Djokovic was generous today.

Surely it could have gone either way. It went to a 3rd set TB. But given how heavily favored Djokovic was, and how aggressively and differently Nadal played him, don't you think conclusions can, actually be drawn?

 

[DarthFed]

RE: Roger's Cup SF - Djokovic v. Nadal

Did you really just give Milos a chance tomorrow? Now that's pessimistic!!

nadal made 5 wimby finals and won 2 of them.



did you give darcis a chance at Wimbledon?


darcis wins barely 28% of his matches at slams.

against a man who wins 88% of this matches at slams.






well milos is a bit better than darcis. so yes he has a chance.

I'd give just about anyone a decent chance at Wimbledon the 1st week vs. Rafa because I don't look at ONLY the numbers. You got to read between the lines general, Rafa has always been poor the 1st week of Wimbledon but scraped by most of the time against the weaklings in rounds 1-3. Now that Rafa is past his best he is even more vulnerable against the cream puffs and a couple have gloriously clowned him the past 2 years :snigger

Tomorrow is a final and he just beat a much tougher player than Milos who will undoubtedly play nervous given the stage. No prayer...

 

[calitennis127]

RE: Roger's Cup SF - Djokovic v. Nadal

Djokovic gifted away the first set with double faults, cheap errors, and failing to convert break points.

Good win for Nadal - a classic Nadal win. No double faults, very few errors, and some timely offense here and there when opportunities presented themselves.

It kills ya, doesn't it? :snigger

How about 2011, Kieran? did you enjoy it?

 

[atttomole]

RE: Roger's Cup SF - Djokovic v. Nadal

The draw at the USO will be interesting that's for sure. Nole isn't winning USO but I wonder if Rafa wants to see Nole in the semi or Murray. Recent history still says Murray is more likely to be upset in GS but Nole is mentally frail at the moment. I much rather Fed gets drawn in Nole's half with a Ferrer QF. Long shot but I can dream.

I'll take that draw

You think similar Murat, that Nole might lose real early at USO? I think matches like tonight and Wimbledon final are telling and I wonder if he can hit the reset button quick enough. It might look like last year for him, regroup in the Fall and go into AO with a bit of momentum

I would not be so pessimistic about Djokovic. I think today it was poor execution on his part, and I am sure he can work on the lapses in concentration that he is having.

 

[DarthFed]

RE: Roger's Cup SF - Djokovic v. Nadal

I think this match could have gone either way. I do not think any conclusions can be drawn from the outcome of this match. But I have to say that Djokovic was generous today.

It's optimistic view. It didn't go either way, it went to the guy who was way tougher in the big moments throughout. A common thing we've seen with Djokovic this year. Conclusions can be drawn regarding Djokovic...he is in another major funk.

 

[the AntiPusher]

RE: Roger's Cup SF - Djokovic v. Nadal

I think this one means more to Djokovic than Nadal and for Rafa to win on hard courts he needs help from Djokovic. He will not hit through him and the forehand causes no damage to Nole on hard courts. Nole should come out focused and win this in straights.

He will not hit through him and the forehand causes no damage to Nole on hard courts. This wasn't the case tonight but your point was understood prior to the match. DarthFed, for Rafa to have success against Djoker is for Rafa to attack Djoker's Fh. Djoker's fh is the wing that may break down but if he is on, its gonna be a long day or night for Nadal. Nadal has got to stay away from the Djoker bh because he takes Total control of the point by pulling Nadal fh off the court which typically produces errors which are truly forced. Rafa was playing and serving very aggressive tonight, very similar to US Open 2010, IMO.

 

[Kieran]

RE: Roger's Cup SF - Djokovic v. Nadal

How about 2011, Kieran? did you enjoy it?

It's so long ago, I can't remember. I'm enjoying this year though. Heading back to #1 if he keeps this up...

 

[DarthFed]

RE: Roger's Cup SF - Djokovic v. Nadal

I think this one means more to Djokovic than Nadal and for Rafa to win on hard courts he needs help from Djokovic. He will not hit through him and the forehand causes no damage to Nole on hard courts. Nole should come out focused and win this in straights.

He will not hit through him and the forehand causes no damage to Nole on hard courts. This wasn't the case tonight but your point was understood prior to the match. DarthFed, for Rafa to have success against Djoker is for Rafa to attack Djoker's Fh. Djoker's fh is the wing that may break down but if he is on, its gonna be a long day or night for Nadal. Nadal has got to stay away from the Djoker bh because he takes Total control of the point by pulling Nadal fh off the court which typically produces errors which are truly forced. Rafa was playing and serving very aggressive tonight, very similar to US Open 2010, IMO.

Yep, well I think Rafa redlined the forehand for much of the match and to make matters worse Djokovic's forehand was off from start to finish. Rafa's serve is key but the other part is that Nole didn't adjust well and gave away too many free points. The long rallies were hugely in Nole's favor for most of the match but Rafa stood strong the first 5 games of the 3rd set and after that I knew it was over mostly because Nole is not doing well in close contact matches.

 

[atttomole]

RE: Roger's Cup SF - Djokovic v. Nadal

I think this match could have gone either way. I do not think any conclusions can be drawn from the outcome of this match. But I have to say that Djokovic was generous today.

Surely it could have gone either way. It went to a 3rd set TB. But given how heavily favored Djokovic was, and how aggressively and differently Nadal played him, don't you think conclusions can, actually be drawn?

Djokovic double-faulted on break points twice I think. And he missed forehands with an open court a number of times as well, which has little to do with Rafa's aggressive play. Rafa played aggressive, and did serve well at some crucial points, but I still think that Djokovic gave away points with many shanked forehands.

 

[DarthFed]

RE: Roger's Cup SF - Djokovic v. Nadal

I think this match could have gone either way. I do not think any conclusions can be drawn from the outcome of this match. But I have to say that Djokovic was generous today.

Surely it could have gone either way. It went to a 3rd set TB. But given how heavily favored Djokovic was, and how aggressively and differently Nadal played him, don't you think conclusions can, actually be drawn?

Djokovic double-faulted on break points twice I think. And he missed forehands with an open court a number of times as well, which has little to do with Rafa's aggressive play. Rafa played aggressive, and did serve well at some crucial points, but I still think that Djokovic gave away points with many shanked forehands.

Exactly, that's why I think any conclusions regarding this match will be made about Nole. I think we all knew Rafa would play aggressively tonight and maybe the execution was better than expected but Nole was very uneven throughout and poor when it mattered most. Eerily similar to the Wimbledon final but even worse for him is that it was a different opponent, one who has now won 5 of the past 6 vs. him and one who shouldn't be more than mildly competitive vs. him on this surface.

 

[calitennis127]

RE: Roger's Cup SF - Djokovic v. Nadal

I think this match could have gone either way. I do not think any conclusions can be drawn from the outcome of this match. But I have to say that Djokovic was generous today.

Surely it could have gone either way. It went to a 3rd set TB. But given how heavily favored Djokovic was, and how aggressively and differently Nadal played him, don't you think conclusions can, actually be drawn?

Djokovic double-faulted on break points twice I think. And he missed forehands with an open court a number of times as well, which has little to do with Rafa's aggressive play. Rafa played aggressive, and did serve well at some crucial points, but I still think that Djokovic gave away points with many shanked forehands.

Absolutely right. Djokovic being off had more to do with the outcome tonight. The first set in particular was inexcusable. He also choked away the tiebreak.

 

[Moxie]

RE: Roger's Cup SF - Djokovic v. Nadal

I think this match could have gone either way. I do not think any conclusions can be drawn from the outcome of this match. But I have to say that Djokovic was generous today.

Surely it could have gone either way. It went to a 3rd set TB. But given how heavily favored Djokovic was, and how aggressively and differently Nadal played him, don't you think conclusions can, actually be drawn?

Djokovic double-faulted on break points twice I think. And he missed forehands with an open court a number of times as well, which has little to do with Rafa's aggressive play. Rafa played aggressive, and did serve well at some crucial points, but I still think that Djokovic gave away points with many shanked forehands.

I think you're right. And we've all mentioned that the match could have gone either way. However, Rafa did make an aggressive attempt at changing the dynamic in their H2H on HCs. And it worked out for him.

 

[atttomole]

RE: Roger's Cup SF - Djokovic v. Nadal

I think this match could have gone either way. I do not think any conclusions can be drawn from the outcome of this match. But I have to say that Djokovic was generous today.

It's optimistic view. It didn't go either way, it went to the guy who was way tougher in the big moments throughout. A common thing we've seen with Djokovic this year. Conclusions can be drawn regarding Djokovic...he is in another major funk.

True, it went to the guy who played better overall, but given the margins, I think Nole the match could have gone either way. It has been like that between these two in the past few years. I do not remember well how Nadal fans reacted when Djokovic won at Monte Carlo, but I do remember some people were saying that Djokovic was going to win RG because he had beaten Nadal at Monte Carlo.

 

[Kieran]

RE: Roger's Cup SF - Djokovic v. Nadal

Don't forget that Rafa buckled at 3-4 in the 2nd. Nole played a fine match, we couldn't say he cracked any more than his opponent did. Rafa shanked a few too, but that's to be expected in such a close encounter. But in very tight contests, you'd usually bet on rafa. Novak had a streak in 2011, but before and after that, his defaults were clearly set.

I just hope Federer has a great Cinci and Murray too, so we can have all four duking it out in Flushing Meadows.

By the way, who puts up the banner thread for the final?

 

[the AntiPusher]

RE: Roger's Cup SF - Djokovic v. Nadal

Don't forget that Rafa buckled at 3-4 in the 2nd. Nole played a fine match, we couldn't say he cracked any more than his opponent did. Rafa shanked a few too, but that's to be expected in such a close encounter. But in very tight contests, you'd usually bet on rafa. Novak had a streak in 2011, but before and after that, his defaults were clearly set.

I just hope Federer has a great Cinci and Murray too, so we can have all four duking it out in Flushing Meadows.

By the way, who puts up the banner thread for the final?

for me this was the Final:clap...again not the goal

 

[atttomole]

RE: Roger's Cup SF - Djokovic v. Nadal

I think this match could have gone either way. I do not think any conclusions can be drawn from the outcome of this match. But I have to say that Djokovic was generous today.

Surely it could have gone either way. It went to a 3rd set TB. But given how heavily favored Djokovic was, and how aggressively and differently Nadal played him, don't you think conclusions can, actually be drawn?

Djokovic double-faulted on break points twice I think. And he missed forehands with an open court a number of times as well, which has little to do with Rafa's aggressive play. Rafa played aggressive, and did serve well at some crucial points, but I still think that Djokovic gave away points with many shanked forehands.

I think you're right. And we've all mentioned that the match could have gone either way. However, Rafa did make an aggressive attempt at changing the dynamic in their H2H on HCs. And it worked out for him.

Yes, Rafa was less passive today, and executed well, but you noticed that he struggled a bit in the second set, and it began to look like deja vu. That is true, in the same way that Nole beat Nadal in Monte Carlo earlier this year, and they will still meet more times. As we all know, Nole is also more than capable of beating Nadal on clay and change the dynamics on clay.

 

[ClayDeath]

RE: Roger's Cup SF - Djokovic v. Nadal

welcome to the forums attomole.

 

[DarthFed]

RE: Roger's Cup SF - Djokovic v. Nadal

Don't forget that Rafa buckled at 3-4 in the 2nd. Nole played a fine match, we couldn't say he cracked any more than his opponent did. Rafa shanked a few too, but that's to be expected in such a close encounter. But in very tight contests, you'd usually bet on rafa. Novak had a streak in 2011, but before and after that, his defaults were clearly set.

I just hope Federer has a great Cinci and Murray too, so we can have all four duking it out in Flushing Meadows.

By the way, who puts up the banner thread for the final?

Nole didn't play a fine match, he lost on favored ground and cracked throughout and was putrid in all the big moments. It was C level tennis for the most part.