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He was playing challengers just a couple of months ago !

You are wrong. He was playing challengers a couple of weeks ago.

Back in the first quarter of the year we were discussing if he would be able to end 2017 in the top 100. I thought it was possible (I guess GSM too). We were right (as usual :rolleyes:).
 

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Saw both Federer´s and Nadal´s match. Federer´s was a nightmare, he could not put a backhand in court. The good thing is that he kept trying until the end (and the bh finally became half-decent in the beginning of the third). Also good is that the understood that he was losing (gasp) from the back court and started to attack the net -- an adjustment that won him the match. But he played far worst in this match than in the losses he had this year (that I happened to watch entirely too).

Nadal, ironically, played better than Federer, even if obviously not great. Shapovalov did what you need to do to beat him -- hit like there is no tomorrow. Nadal waited for him to lose by himself, it didn´t happen. He is smart enough not to panic when things are not going that well, usually that calm wins him a lot of matches, but not this one. What people may forget is that he lost the second set on a very lucky shot from Shapovalov -- the kid mishit the return, it still got in, Nadal tracked the ball and went for a winner and it got out by inches. If that mishit ended like most mishits do we probably would be talking about the Fedal final now. Shapovalov actually raised his level by a long margin in third -- for example his backhand became way more solid. Credit to him.
 
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congrats to youg gun Shapovalov, he played great
 

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Fair enough, and well-spanked. I will say I think he had a bit of an off-day, as Roger did. If he'd been feeling his shots more, he would have won. He wasn't just too cautious, he was making too many UFEs which is unlike him, and you can't attribute them all to the kid. However, I'm perfectly willing to blame him for the loss. The kid was brave, but Rafa held all the hole cards and shouldn't have lost one this close against an 18-year-old.
I just felt watching that tie breaker that Nadal had this match won.It was as exciting a match as I've seen since Melbourne. Particularly painful was the double fault to go 3 all..From there he was blown away. When Nadal gives away that much territory on a hard court against a brave and hard hitting opponent it will cause him considerable damage. The young guns that are finally arriving have no fear of Nadal or Fed for that matter. After watching the Fed match he won it on sheer correction of strategy and a lifetime of beating an opponent always. As much as I want a Fed Nadal final at the US Open I don't believe that will happen this year after these results. I can be proven wrong of course LoL.
 

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I saw only the highlights. And Ferrer hit deep on many occasions. He was hitting toward the corners. He played his game very well. Perhaps, he lost stamina in the third but I do not know. Roger looked defensive than usual in the highlights. And not too many winners I saw. However, since you guys are saying, he was probably gritty and still scraped his way through to the victory. I think Roger will get his level back in the RBA match. I hope Roger improves. There is no reason he should lose form all of a sudden. Let's hope not. If it does, can't blame him.
 

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It's just one match @MartyB. These guys are just acquiring their hardcourt legs. I expect both to improve dramatically. I'm really not sure that there's anyone out there with Novak, Murray and Wawrinka out of the picture with the stature to stop them. Sadly Delpo has no offensive backhand anymore, Cilic has had his moment in the sun, Zverev is too young and not physically strong enough to last 7 five set matches. I simply can't see past a Fedal win at Flushing. That said, it's not cast in stone that they'll both get to the final...
 

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Shapovalov gets his first big win already? Hmm. The first win against Big 4. First masters quarter final too, I guess. So, has he arrived quickly? Or will it take more time? He looked kind of good to me. But. this cannot be overlooked. It's a big step forward although he has to justify his result by winning some more.

Can Rafa still be no. 1 after Cincy? I guess it's easy for him, right?
 

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RBA is another player who plays draggy defensive tennis. Am I right? So, it can be another grinding match for Roger.

By the way, Ferrer seemed to have still got it. I don't know if it was the stamina or Roger improving.
 

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Rafa needs to get to the QF in Cincy to surpass Murray. But if Roger wins here then Rafa will have to do better than Federer as well as at least reach the QF to get #1
 

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Wonder how Federer sitting at #1 would sit with the tennis gods considering he missed the entire clay court swing.

I don't know why, but if I were another player, I'd be PO'd! I suppose it's the same as when Nadal would leave for extended periods and retained his status! Nothing worse than Murray becoming #1 with 1 major and a bunch of 500's, probably the weakest #1 since his namesake Roddick! :nono: :facepalm: :banghead: :rolleyes:
 

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I was one of the folks saying Shapo could reach the top 100 this year - and he's currently #100 in the live rankings. If he wins the QF, he'll be in the 60-70 range, I believe.

This is a HUGE win for him, but I suspect it will take him another year or two to become regularly relevant in big titles. I could see him finishing this year somewhere in the latter half of the top 100 (so, 51-100), then next year consolidate in the 20-40 range, and then in 2019--when he is 19-20--be where Zverev is at. But who knows.
 
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I expect a completely different Fed to show up today and finish the match quickly in two sets and under an hour. That is what champions do when they follow up an ugly win and listen to the wakeup call (not to mention take a look at the barren current draw).
 
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Wonder how Federer sitting at #1 would sit with the tennis gods considering he missed the entire clay court swing.
I seriously can't imagine Fed every playing the French Open again? Part of me thinks it's very wise. Another part of me feels that skipping a major like this seems at odds with greatness. There isn't a bigger supporter of his out there and he knows whats best. Now I do recall that many great clay court players skipped Wimbledon for many years. the Australian Open suffered due it's timing of the year and players like McEnroe skipped the French...
 

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I seriously can't imagine Fed every playing the French Open again? Part of me thinks it's very wise. Another part of me feels that skipping a major like this seems at odds with greatness. There isn't a bigger supporter of his out there and he knows whats best. Now I do recall that many great clay court players skipped Wimbledon for many years. the Australian Open suffered due it's timing of the year and players like McEnroe skipped the French...

1. It is not like Fed is skipping French open in his prime. He has after all regularly played in French open despite getting beaten by Rafa multiple times. It is not like he chickened out (not to mention that he eventually won it). You cannot compare Fed skipping RG in his geriatric period to other skippings of slams by other players in the history when they were in prime.

2. Roger actually surprirses everyone. Many thought he will not play in Montreal. But he showed up there. I do believe Roger will reappear at RG. However he may not be playing there regularly every year.

3. Rafa is not going to be winning RG every year. After all Rafa is also getting into geriatric period. Being an opportunist, I would not be
surprised if Roger wins RG once more, when Rafa relinquishes his current lease in an year or two (although not very likely).
 

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I was one of the folks saying Shapo could reach the top 100 this year - and he's currently #100 in the live rankings. If he wins the QF, he'll be in the 60-70 range, I believe.

This is a HUGE win for him, but I suspect it will take him another year or two to become regularly relevant in big titles. I could see him finishing this year somewhere in the latter half of the top 100 (so, 51-100), then next year consolidate in the 20-40 range, and then in 2019--when he is 19-20--be where Zverev is at. But who knows.
Yes, you where right on, and I was wrong, doubting Denis. But many times you have been too optimistic about the young guns, because you tend to extrapolate a straight progression, which is rarely the case.
Denis has to continue improving, because he did that since last year when I saw him at Rogers Cup.
 

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Wonder how Federer sitting at #1 would sit with the tennis gods considering he missed the entire clay court swing.
I don't see the point. Roger has earned fair and square the right to play as little as he chooses to do so. Then if he is as good as to become number 1 by playing only 60% of the year, then good on him and shame on the rest of the tour.
 

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Bout time! I've been looking for the next wave to form! Sasha barely got through, but did unlike my other fave 1 handed BH'r, Theim! MP's not enough I guess! I thought this kid would spray the ball when it counted in that TB! I'm pleasantly surprised he's moved on! Roger better watch out tomorrow! Down to 3 seeds out of the 8! :clap: :ptennis:

Only 2 seeds, not 3