Roger Federer and Rafael Nadal fans slammed by Alex Corretja for attitude towards rivalry

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I have no idea why you say that Nadal "cheats." What does he do to cheat? This is a Fedfans construct to offset how much Nadal has made Roger look ordinary, at best, and actually poor, at times. This is a Fractured Fairy Tale that you tell yourself, to make it seem better. Along with the one whereby you excuse Kyrgios for just being "brash, short-tempered, and a bad sport." All of that is good with you? Or at least excusable? He can talk about the sex lives of other players on court and on mike. He can tank sets and matches. He can jaw with the crowd, throw his racquet, insult the umpire, and somehow Nadal has done worse, as far as you see it? Strange standards, and no one wonders why.

Tanking sets/matches, throwing racquets and arguing with the umpire = him losing 99% of the time. As for arguing with the crowd, often justified if some wanker is taunting him for nothing. None of this is a deliberate way to try and win a match he's losing and that's pretty obvious.
 

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None of this is a deliberate way to try and win a match he's losing and that's pretty obvious.

This is the point that makes me chuckle because it's so arbitrary. Fact is, his constant arguments with everyone and everything, his non stop yapping, etc... all have an effect on his opponents. It's undeniable and more than one player has been bothered by it. If you're getting ready to serve and he starts randomly talking with the umpire as he's prepared to receive (which has happened), that's annoying, and whether Kyrgios is aware that it's off-putting or not doesn't matter (and unless we're pretending he's got the IQ of a 5 year old child, he surely is aware). So his intentions don't really matter. The effect his actions have is far more important. Turning the match into an ego-centric circus has to be annoying for so many opponents and it takes quite a bit of concentration in order not to be thrown off.
 

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Tanking sets/matches, throwing racquets and arguing with the umpire = him losing 99% of the time. As for arguing with the crowd, often justified if some wanker is taunting him for nothing. None of this is a deliberate way to try and win a match he's losing and that's pretty obvious.
Which is you, once again, deflecting from the main question, which is: how is it that Rafa cheats? I was asking Monfed, but you'll do, since you insist or insinuate all the time that he does.
 

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I have no idea why you say that Nadal "cheats." What does he do to cheat? This is a Fedfans construct to offset how much Nadal has made Roger look ordinary, at best, and actually poor, at times. This is a Fractured Fairy Tale that you tell yourself, to make it seem better. Along with the one whereby you excuse Kyrgios for just being "brash, short-tempered, and a bad sport." All of that is good with you? Or at least excusable? He can talk about the sex lives of other players on court and on mike. He can tank sets and matches. He can jaw with the crowd, throw his racquet, insult the umpire, and somehow Nadal has done worse, as far as you see it? Strange standards, and no one wonders why.

Nadal AVERAGES 30 seconds between points when the permissible time between points is 25(which btw was 20 but the tennis haters increased it to accomodate Nadal's timewasting.) They were all basically sitting in a room and looking at each other wondering what the fuck to do about this situation where a top player exceeds even average time between points knowing fully well what the rules are.
It's important to mention here that the time limit was always 20 so Nadal knew what was up.

Nadal willfully slows down play on important points like BPs that exceeds at times 35-40 seconds despite repeating warnings from umpires and then turns around and threatens them and acts as if his pop owns tennis and he can do whatever he wants. How dare the umpires question the humble fisherman from Spain?

Nadal has taken tactical MTOs, one that particularly sticks to mind is the RG 11 final when he was trailing in the first set and then ofcourse that one against Petchzner in Wimbledon in 2010 which he comes back running like a rabbit after the MTO.

Ofcourse all his MTOs are literally always when he's trailing.

Look you already know what Nadal does, I don't need to say anymore. What you're doing is whataboutism.
 

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Nadal AVERAGES 30 seconds between points when the permissible time between points is 25(which btw was 20 but the tennis haters increased it to accomodate Nadal's timewasting.) They were all basically sitting in a room and looking at each other wondering what the fuck to do about this situation where a top player exceeds even average time between points knowing fully well what the rules are.
It's important to mention here that the time limit was always 20 so Nadal knew what was up.

Nadal willfully slows down play on important points like BPs that exceeds at times 35-40 seconds despite repeating warnings from umpires and then turns around and threatens them and acts as if his pop owns tennis and he can do whatever he wants. How dare the umpires question the humble fisherman from Spain?

Nadal has taken tactical MTOs, one that particularly sticks to mind is the RG 11 final when he was trailing in the first set and then ofcourse that one against Petchzner in Wimbledon in 2010 which he comes back running like a rabbit after the MTO.

Ofcourse all his MTOs are literally always when he's trailing.

Look you already know what Nadal does, I don't need to say anymore. What you're doing is whataboutism.

He never took a medical time out during the 2011 RG final. You can keep mentioning it, it won't stop being false.
 

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This is the point that makes me chuckle because it's so arbitrary. Fact is, his constant arguments with everyone and everything, his non stop yapping, etc... all have an effect on his opponents. It's undeniable and more than one player has been bothered by it. If you're getting ready to serve and he starts randomly talking with the umpire as he's prepared to receive (which has happened), that's annoying, and whether Kyrgios is aware that it's off-putting or not doesn't matter (and unless we're pretending he's got the IQ of a 5 year old child, he surely is aware). So his intentions don't really matter. The effect his actions have is far more important. Turning the match into an ego-centric circus has to be annoying for so many opponents and it takes quite a bit of concentration in order not to be thrown off.
I think it is the same. Nadal just does it differently.
 

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I think it is the same. Nadal just does it differently.

It's not close to the same. Taking time in between points is not at all the same. And you can keep saying "he does more than just take time" and I'll keep asking you to provide examples, and you'll keep either dodging the question or bring up a couple of MTOs from decades ago.
 

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It's not close to the same. Taking time in between points is not at all the same. And you can keep saying "he does more than just take time" and I'll keep asking you to provide examples, and you'll keep either dodging the question or bring up a couple of MTOs from decades ago.
Kyrgios’s behaviors are more or les the same and are repeated. Which is the same as Nadal. And Nadal does it with a purpose, and you know that. What disappointed me is what he did in the Wimbledon semi against Federer, because I thought he had outgrown that behavior. Clearly, he still has it in him. He knew what he was trying to do, but you appeared to be saying he merely did it at a questionable time. There is no doubt about what he was trying to do, and there is no need to gloss over it. It had nothing to do with taking time between points.
 
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He never took a medical time out during the 2011 RG final. You can keep mentioning it, it won't stop being false.

What are you talking about? He did, to check his ankle or something in the first set when he was getting his ass beat.

These dulltards really are clueless. It's embarrassing.
 

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What are you talking about? He did, to check his ankle or something in the first set when he was getting his ass beat.

These dulltards really are clueless. It's embarrassing.
He had a bandage cut off the foot by the trainer, but w/o MTO. Not every time the trainer comes out is a MTO taken. That's what you guys can't seem to distinguish. It's embarrassing.
 

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He had a bandage cut off the foot by the trainer, but w/o MTO. Not every time the trainer comes out is a MTO taken. That's what you guys can't seem to distinguish. It's embarrassing.

No it's not embarrassing. What's embarrassing is having the nerve to do this to break the opponent's rhythm while he was being soundly thumped in set 1. It wasn't a medical timeout, no, but it was an unsporting bucket of shit which he is too. He knew he had to do something to salvage that first set cos his tennis wasn't enough. That's why so many people worldwide can't stand him.
 

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Kyrgios’s behaviors are more or les the same and are repeated. Which is the same as Nadal. And Nadal does it with a purpose, and you know that. What disappointed me is what he did in the Wimbledon semi against Federer, because I thought he had outgrown that behavior. Clearly, he still has it in him. He knew what he was trying to do, but you appeared to be saying he merely did it at a questionable time. There is no doubt about what he was trying to do, and there is no need to gloss over it. It had nothing to do with taking time between points.
OMG, he had a bandage taken off his foot, same as above. You can read evil intent into it, but you can't know. Because it would imply that Nadal bandages his foot for not other reason than to opportunistically have it taken off if he's losing. Right? Because if it served a purpose, then having it removed would be a hinderance. However, rather than such a baroque conspiracy, one could chose to believe that he tapes his foot for a reason, but that sometimes it's either too tight, or gets bunched up and becomes bothersome and needs to come off. John McEnroe often tells us that things tend to hurt more when you're losing. It's a simple enough explanation.
 

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No it's not embarrassing. What's embarrassing is having the nerve to do this to break the opponent's rhythm while he was being soundly thumped in set 1. It wasn't a medical timeout, no, but it was an unsporting bucket of shit which he is too. He knee he had to do something to salvage that first set cos his tennis wasn't enough. That's why so many people worldwide can't stand him.
If it's during a changeover, it's not really a pause.
 

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If it's during a changeover, it's not really a pause.

He took a lot longer than they're entitled to. Give it rest a ffs. The guy could pull his pants down in public and you'd see no wrong.
 

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Nadal AVERAGES 30 seconds between points when the permissible time between points is 25(which btw was 20 but the tennis haters increased it to accomodate Nadal's timewasting.) They were all basically sitting in a room and looking at each other wondering what the fuck to do about this situation where a top player exceeds even average time between points knowing fully well what the rules are.
It's important to mention here that the time limit was always 20 so Nadal knew what was up.

Nadal willfully slows down play on important points like BPs that exceeds at times 35-40 seconds despite repeating warnings from umpires and then turns around and threatens them and acts as if his pop owns tennis and he can do whatever he wants. How dare the umpires question the humble fisherman from Spain?

Nadal has taken tactical MTOs, one that particularly sticks to mind is the RG 11 final when he was trailing in the first set and then ofcourse that one against Petchzner in Wimbledon in 2010 which he comes back running like a rabbit after the MTO.

Ofcourse all his MTOs are literally always when he's trailing.

Look you already know what Nadal does, I don't need to say anymore. What you're doing is whataboutism.
As to the time, you are incorrect. There is a shot clock, and Nadal does get warned when he's long, and he's been docked a serve before. Any notion of 40 seconds seems outrageous to me. Do you have your stopwatch on him?

As to only taking a MTO when he's trailing, also incorrect. He took a MTO after winning the first set over JMDP in Wimbledon '11. That I remember, so there must be others.
 

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He took a lot longer than they're entitled to. Give it rest a ffs. The guy could pull his pants down in public and you'd see no wrong.
You've got some nerve to tell me to give it a rest. You, the man who can't stop talking about Petzschner, 10 years later. I'm just saying that having a taping cut off your foot is hardly the "disgusting" behavior some like @atttomole would have it, and equate with the antics of Kyrgios, for example. Since you can't really make a better case, you tell me to "give it a rest." Hmm.
 

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You've got some nerve to tell me to give it a rest. You, the man who can't stop talking about Petzschner, 10 years later. I'm just saying that having a taping cut off your foot is hardly the "disgusting" behavior some like @atttomole would have it, and equate with the antics of Kyrgios, for example. Since you can't really make a better case, you tell me to "give it a rest." Hmm.

You fail to realize that 10 years later it remains a despicable unsporting act that won him the match and he then went on to win the title. You can obviously easily forget it as a hardcore fan, but like the hacker group Anonymous the non Nadal fans have the same slogan: "We do not forgive. We do not forget."

Once a pos, always a pos as was made clear in the Wimbledon semi versus Federer this year.
 

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Nadal AVERAGES 30 seconds between points when the permissible time between points is 25(which btw was 20 but the tennis haters increased it to accomodate Nadal's timewasting.) They were all basically sitting in a room and looking at each other wondering what the fuck to do about this situation where a top player exceeds even average time between points knowing fully well what the rules are.
It's important to mention here that the time limit was always 20 so Nadal knew what was up.

Nadal willfully slows down play on important points like BPs that exceeds at times 35-40 seconds despite repeating warnings from umpires and then turns around and threatens them and acts as if his pop owns tennis and he can do whatever he wants. How dare the umpires question the humble fisherman from Spain?

Nadal has taken tactical MTOs, one that particularly sticks to mind is the RG 11 final when he was trailing in the first set and then ofcourse that one against Petchzner in Wimbledon in 2010 which he comes back running like a rabbit after the MTO.

Ofcourse all his MTOs are literally always when he's trailing.

Look you already know what Nadal does, I don't need to say anymore. What you're doing is whataboutism.

Nadal is clean so if course he sometimes needs 30 seconds between points. He is not on PEDs like other players sometimes near 40 yrs old who can take only 10 seconds between points even in the 5th set after 5 hours of play. :rolleyes: I’d rather watch a clean player who takes a few more seconds to recuperate than a cheater who takes 10 seconds between points. :bye:
 

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You fail to realize that 10 years later it remains a despicable unsporting act that won him the match and he then went on to win the title. You can obviously easily forget it as a hardcore fan, but like the hacker group Anonymous the non Nadal fans have the same slogan: "We do not forgive. We do not forget."

Once a pos, always a pos as was made clear in the Wimbledon semi versus Federer this year.
I don't see any difference between that and Roger taking a MTO at the end of the 4th set after he lost it to Dimitrov at the USO this year. Or, for that matter, v. Safin at the AO in '05. Exact same kind of momentum stopper...except that a) it didn't work for Roger and b) Roger in '05 is far less believably injured, since he never was back then.
 

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I don't see any difference between that and Roger taking a MTO at the end of the 4th set after he lost it to Dimitrov at the USO this year. Or, for that matter, v. Safin at the AO in '05. Exact same kind of momentum stopper...except that a) it didn't work for Roger and b) Roger in '05 is far less believably injured, since he never was back then.

Or how about before the 5th sets vs Wawrinka and Nadal at the 2017 AO when they both had the momentum.