Novak Djokovic's Vaccine Stance & Visa Troubles

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If the government is going to rely solely on the threat of ND exciting ant-vax sentiment in Australia, I would say his lawyers are doing a pretty good job of dismantling it. But they did skim quickly past the notion that the medical exemption documents were late. The government will clearly have a very different take, but I hope there is some legal question about the basis for his visa, on its face.
 
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A judge just pushed back on ND lawyer to ask if some of this might include the "vaccine hesitant." ND lawyer stuttered a bit, but presses on.
 

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They seem to be summing up, and repeat their argument that keeping ND in Australia might no more excite anti-vax sentiment, so much as its opposite, by expelling him. Their big point is that the only thing that Novak ever said about being against vaccination was said in spring of 2020, and in a theoretical way. (Citing the BBC.) They had previously made the argument that he played all 4 Majors last year, and other tournaments, without exciting anti-vax sentiment. They are vehemently contesting the "public interest" for expelling him. (Of course.)
 

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Reading body language, the judges look very bored at this summation.
 
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Reading body language, the judges look very bored at this summation.
I think they've lost one of the judges, maybe a second. He should stop now.
 

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Judge Stephen Lloyd looks WAY over him. (The one with the formal neckwear.) One other looks still engaged, one looks to be borderline bored.
 
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Counsel says he needs about 15 more minutes. He's beginning to stutter again, and he's losing his audience. Lloyd is over him.
 
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Which way do we think this is going?
I think he's lost one judge. He's got one still paying attention, and one that looks in the middle. EDIT: the middle ground one is fidgeting a lot. There is only one that looks completely engaged right now.
 
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A judge questioned the lawyer again. Same one that sought clarification before, and he is the one I would call "engaged."
 

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One of Djokovic's lawyers has left the room. Either he's scampering around looking for help in what the QF? or judge questioned him on, or he has quit. LOL.
 
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One of Djokovic's lawyers has left the room. Either he's scampering around looking for help in what the QF? or judge questioned him on, or he has quit. LOL.
Oh, he's back. Maybe he just had to pee.
 

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Oh, I got this wrong: Lloyd is the QC, so no wonder he looked so bored and disengaged. Government begins to present its position, having been advised that they may hit the lunch break. They were offered to start, or break early. They will start now.
 

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OMG, this guy Lloyd is terrible. He's going all in on the anti-vax thing. Which the ND lawyers have already blown holes in. If he's not going to go against his paperwork, the government is going to lose.
 
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The QC is all um's and er's. And he seems not to be addressing the fact that the government's anti-vax position has been decimated. This guy is playing stick ball and the ND layers were MLB. Unless he tells them the ND lied on his paperwork and that he was late on it, and proves it, he's going to lose.
 

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I can't believe this goof-ball is not even going to mention that he signed an immigration statement with a falsified statement on it. His argument is completely lame. He's even back to how he behaved in Serbia. He had no preparation for a counter-argument by the fancy lawyers.
 

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Wrong kieran, i’m following the court proceedings and the government’s case is 100% that they think djokovic is a ‘future threat’ and a public danger. Their core argument is that if he stays, there may be unrest and anti-vaxer sentiment will be validated. You and moxie are totally wrong about what government’s argument is, they don’t even seem to focus on past crimes, as you put it or the visa app errors or even questioning the exemption. I find this very interesting, maybe they thought this wasn’t a good route to take.

The djokovic lawyers tried to tear this to shreds so they are not looking for loopholes but attacking the Government’s arguments at their core. They basically argued that kicking djokovic out could also lead to unrest, that his stance on vaccines hasn’t created ‘unrest’ anywhere else and that alex hawke was bringing up statements djoker made 2 years ago but not asking djoker what his stance is today.

the government lawyer is trying to dismiss what djoker lawyers stated and that it’s in public interest to deport him.

this will be the case, not the visa erros or exemption but whether the judges believe alex hawke’s reasoning that novak is some sort of danger to Australia’s civil state is valid or not. It’s a strange argument to make, i’m surprised government is making it about this. Seems it’s easier for djoker’s lawyers to destruct but will be up to the judges. Covid has been very messy in australia so judges may take that into consideration and agree djokovic’s presence threatens order, stability or containment of covid. I’m still very surprised alex hawke used this reasoning.
 
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I think Lloyd is doing well,he just outline that Novak was positive and then went out 2 days later to a event?
You tell em Stephen
 
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