Novak Djokovic's Vaccine Stance & Visa Troubles

[MikeOne]

kyrgios blasts nadal and australia:

Nick Kyrgios blasts Rafa Nadal for failing to support Novak Djokovic at Australian Open | Tennis | Sport | Express.co.uk

NOVAK DJOKOVIC was detained by Australian authorities once again on Saturday morning.

www.express.co.uk

The more i think about this situation, the more disgusting, sick and disgraceful it is. I understand how many have become crazed about covid but the treatment of djokovic is incredibly unfair. His stance on vaccines is not an extreme one, he is not out there spreading misinformation, telling people not to get vaccinated. He is anti mandate, doesn’t think people need to be forced to take vaccine. I respect that, even though i’m
Vaccinated. What’s amazing is omicron is spreading amongst vaccinated like crazy, all
over the world. Melbourne has over 90% vaccinated and there is a surge.

as far as australia, they are using djokobic as a political weapon, elections are around the corner and covid a huge political issue. For those on this forum who have stated the issue is djokovic’s invalid exemption or errors in visa application, seems alex hawke didn’t think he had a strong case to use his personal godlike powers to cancel visa on these grounds. In fact, seems he thinks exemption is valid. So now, he is claiming djokovic is a public threat? Like kyrgios states, treating him like weapon of mass destruction. This is a man who has done good things in australia, won 9 titles. Treating him like a danger to society.. and the australian authorities granted him permission to come in which alex hawke now seems to think was valid? So australia created this fissco and now deporting him cause djoker has become a public threat? WTF!

this is SICK and i hope judges overturn visa cancellation and djoker wins AO, tripple bagelling and humiliating nadal along the way. I have lost some respect for nadal and gained respect for kyrgios.

 

[tented]

So much has been written here and elsewhere, and said on TV, that I can’t remember if anyone has mentioned this:

Not only is the AO Novak’s best major, with a record nine wins; not only is this the chance for him to break the three way tie and get No. 21 — this is his only chance to go for the calendar year grand slam again. No AO = no CYGS.

He came so close last year, so he knows he has a realistic chance to complete it, but everything springs from Melbourne, which is a huge motivation to do everything possible to remain in Australia.

 

[MikeOne]

Wouldn’t be surprised if government is trying to have it both ways. Alex hawke could’ve tried using invalid exemption or visa app error as reasons for cancelling but he admits exemption was valid? And now wanting to deport djokovic for him being a threat to public?

It sounds to me alex is delibetately using this reason, politically - 1. Aussie public will think government took a stance for greater good 2. The reasoning will be harder to uphold by 3 judges. So novak had a valid exemption but due to him being a ‘public threat and high profile person’ being deported?

so, hawke and his cronies want to show they tried to be be ‘tough’ but making it easier for judges to overturn cancellation so novak gets to play and novak isn’t unfairly treated due to government’s own failures. It’s almost as if hawke is trying to help novak but covering it up, to save face. So everyone wins in the end

 

[don_fabio]

So much has been written here and elsewhere, and said on TV, that I can’t remember if anyone has mentioned this:

Not only is the AO Novak’s best major, with a record nine wins; not only is this the chance for him to break the three way tie and get No. 21 — this is his only chance to go for the calendar year grand slam again. No AO, no CYGS.

He came so close last year, so he knows he has a realistic chance to complete it, but everything springs from Melbourne, which is a huge motivation to do everything possible to remain in Australia.

Despite all this happening at the moment, I don't think he has much of a chance for CYGS attempt again. Competition is getting much closer IMO. He should consider this season a success if he gets to 21, everything else is a bonus. That should be his main goal, get to 21 with his biggest chance in Wimbledon.

He could easily find himself chasing Nadal again and that puts a lot of pressure back to him again. He then needs 2 slams to overcome Nadal and time is ticking (assuming that Rafa doesn't win AO).

 

[MargaretMcAleer]

Don Fabio,
Just saw your post to me earlier regarding hold a full Federal Court on a Sunday?
Yes it is out of the ordinary,but given the circumstances of the AO starting on Monday,the first judge on Saturday,Justice O'Callagham agreed to the case being heard on Sunday.

 

[don_fabio]

Don Fabio,
Just saw your post to me earlier regarding hold a full Federal Court on a Sunday?
Yes it is out of the ordinary,but given the circumstances of the AO starting on Monday,the first judge on Saturday,Justice O'Callagham agreed to the case being heard on Sunday.

Thnx Margaret, that's what I tought. They had to rush him in and finish the case before AO.

 

[MargaretMcAleer]

Thnx Margaret, that's what I tought. They had to rush him in and finish the case before AO.

With 3 Judges in Federal Court,either side cannot appeal the decision.

 

[don_fabio]

With 3 Judges in Federal Court,either side cannot appeal the decision.

Sounds like a boxing match with 3 judges , only there is no draw in this case. If Novak gets deported without 3 year ban maybe that is the closest to the draw it could be.

 

[MargaretMcAleer]

Sounds like a boxing match with 3 judges , only there is no draw in this case. If Novak gets deported without 3 year ban maybe that is the closest to the draw it could be.

Regarding the ban,of 3 years,that will be up to the judges to decide.

 

[tented]

Regarding the ban,of 3 years,that will be up to the judges to decide.

I thought the decision whether or not to enforce that was up to Hawke, and the judges are only making a decision about this year.

 

[MargaretMcAleer]

I thought the decision whether or not to enforce that was up to Hawke, and the judges are only making a decision about this year.

The Government can put that argument to the Federal Judges regarding 3 year ban,though what I am led to believe it that decision is in the hands of the Federal Court ( 3 judges)

 

[Kieran]

. His stance on vaccines is not an extreme one, he is not out there spreading misinformation, telling people not to get vaccinated. He is anti mandate, doesn’t think people need to be forced to take vaccine. I respect that, even though i’m
Vaccinated. What’s amazing is omicron is spreading amongst vaccinated like crazy, all
over the world. Melbourne has over 90% vaccinated and there is a surge.

I agree with these words. I left out the words before this, because I don’t believe he’s being treated unfair. He’s being treated with suspicion, because he’s acted illegally.

as far as australia, they are using djokobic as a political weapon, elections are around the corner and covid a huge political issue. For those on this forum who have stated the issue is djokovic’s invalid exemption or errors in visa application, seems alex hawke didn’t think he had a strong case to use his personal godlike powers to cancel visa on these grounds. In fact, seems he thinks exemption is valid. So now, he is claiming djokovic is a public threat? Like kyrgios states, treating him like weapon of mass destruction. This is a man who has done good things in australia, won 9 titles. Treating him like a danger to society.. and the australian authorities granted him permission to come in which alex hawke now seems to think was valid? So australia created this fissco and now deporting him cause djoker has become a public threat? WTF!

I’ve been trying to understand this part of the Australian case myself, but what I think it comes down to is a question of Djokovic’s character, based on his breaking isolation when he was tested positive, and lying on his visa application. Essentially, his behaviour marks off as somebody who might be considered a “covid denier”, a horrible term to use, I know, given the association it might have with a far more horrible personality trait - that of being a Holocaust denier.

I don’t think that Djokovic is a covid denier, but he’s acted like one, and he’s admitted this, and in lying on his visa forms he’s shown that he’s an Aussie-rules-and-regulations-denier too. He denies that truthfully entering the country matters, that he should get what he wants, because he is who he is. And the Australians feel that if they allow him in, then they’re setting a lousy precedence to anyone who wants to disregard their covid laws.

Don’t be easily fooled that this is simply a “Lock Up Your Daughters” threat to their people, that Novak is the boogeyman and he might deflower yer maidens if he’s let in. They’re saying the crime has been committed, not that it might be committed. The task for them now is to prove it.

If I was a Djokolite, I might kinda feel a little hopeful, not because he’s got truth in his side, but because he’s got the high priced Aussie lawyers who only need to find a loophole, like they did on Monday. But Djokovic might also have made government task a lot easier by admitting the actual things that they need to prove…

 

[Moxie]

Reportedly, Novak has left for the courthouse, and I think it's meant to start in a few minutes. I agree with Kieran that the high-priced lawyers may yet get him off, and into the tournament. Remember that whatever these 3 judges decide, that's it. No more appeals, either way.

 

[Kieran]

Reportedly, Novak has left for the courthouse, and I think it's meant to start in a few minutes. I agree with Kieran that the high-priced lawyers may yet get him off, and into the tournament. Remember that whatever these 3 judges decide, that's it. No more appeals, either way.

And of course the problem is that he won’t get off because he followed the rules and is clean, but because of a procedural loophole, which is different to saying he’s innocent. And again, if this is the result, he gets to play but he’ll face only more questions and suspicion. That’s my opinion, I might be wrong. It’s also my opinion that Rafa was correct today, in trying to deflect attention back to the tournament. This is the biggest tragedy of all, that the Australian Open’s greatest champion has gotten in his own way and made this mess that might still ruin him, but will definitely cast shade on him..

 

[Moxie]

And of course the problem is that he won’t get off because he followed the rules and is clean, but because of a procedural loophole, which is different to saying he’s innocent. And again, if this is the result, he gets to play but he’ll face only more questions and suspicion. That’s my opinion, I might be wrong. It’s also my opinion that Rafa was correct today, in trying to deflect attention back to the tournament. This is the biggest tragedy of all, that the Australian Open’s greatest champion has gotten in his own way and made this mess that might still ruin him, but will definitely cast shade on him..

I agree...it looks like his best chance is a loophole, because that's what he's been working with all along, anyway. If he DOES play, I think the circus and the disfavor of the crowd will do him in before the 2nd week, anyway.

I know you're about to take your 2-week Major sabbatical from posting, so, if I don't get another chance to say it, enjoy the tennis and ¡Vamos, Rafa!

 

[MargaretMcAleer]

Well the act "Section 133C (3) which Alex Hawke used for his cancellation of the visa.,I feel will be hard to defeat.
We shall see.
Either way tennis comes out 'second best'.....sad to say.

 

[Kieran]

I agree...it looks like his best chance is a loophole, because that's what he's been working with all along, anyway. If he DOES play, I think the circus and the disfavor of the crowd will do him in before the 2nd week, anyway.

I know you're about to take your 2-week Major sabbatical from posting, so, if I don't get another chance to say it, enjoy the tennis and ¡Vamos, Rafa!

Yeah thanks! I might check in tomorrow but I know tomorrow is a hectic day for me, as was today, but if I don’t get back here, enjoy the tennis, you and everyone!

And if Djoker is in, c’est la vie. He’s a man who believes in life lessons. He’ll gain something positive from this experience that might help him in the future…

 

[Kieran]

Well the act "Section 133C (3) which Alex Hawke used for his cancellation of the visa.,I feel will be hard to defeat.
We shall see.
Either way tennis comes out 'second best'.....sad to say.

Has that act been successful in court?

Tennis is the loser here, but as Rafa said, it’s bigger than one man. It’ll recover. But the whole Moby Djok obsession has made the whole thing seem less significant, actually..

 

[MargaretMcAleer]

Has that act been successful in court?

Tennis is the loser here, but as Rafa said, it’s bigger than one man. It’ll recover. But the whole Moby Djok obsession has made the whole thing seem less significant, actually..

I am not sure,but from what I have heard from legal eagles silks,they feel it will be hard to beat with that order Alex Hawke used

 

[Moxie]

I found a link to the court proceedings on youtube, and I am watching (paint dry,) but when I try to post, it comes up as "live stream is no longer available." Youtube says that 41K+ people are watching. There may be a limit.