Novak Djokovic's Vaccine Stance & Visa Troubles

[MargaretMcAleer]

Novak Djokovic v Minister case has been transferred from the FcFCOA to the Federal Court of Australia
The hearing listed before Justice O'Callaghan ( sounds like a good Irish surname to me)

 

[MargaretMcAleer]

At present Novak Djpkovic is in a interview with Immigration Officials.

 

[Chris Koziarz]

What’s the source for the mention that Novak was offered a jab in Australia that would count as a second jab, and so he could stay and play?

I’m not asking this to criticise him in any way, he’s got a right to refuse it and I respect that, but is there any truth to it? And is this kind of offer usually made?

You hit a nail in the head: socially, that would be the best outcome.
To elaborate my take on it: if I was Judge Kelly I would sentence Joker for mandatory public vaxxination show and forfeiting any prize money he wins in favour of a refugee support org, and then allow him to stay and play.
Sadly, such judgement, as simple as it sounds to an average reasonable person, is impossible to pronounce buy a lawyer, because our law does not make any provision like it.

 

[10isfan]

No

Sorry. That was misinformation. Nadal showed a negative test result before boarding. Ben Rothenberg looked into this because so many were yelling about Nadal skirting the rules. He stated everything is in order for Nadal.

 

[tented]

Australia declares Djokovic a risk to civil order and public health

 

[Kieran]

You hit a nail in the head: socially, that would be the best outcome.
To elaborate my take on it: if I was Judge Kelly I would sentence Joker for mandatory public vaxxination show and forfeiting any prize money he wins in favour of a refugee support org, and then allow him to stay and play.
Sadly, such judgement, as simple as it sounds to an average reasonable person, is impossible to pronounce buy a lawyer, because our law does not make any provision like it.

Well, if he wanted to take it then it’s a perfect solution. But I was thinking of it from this perspective - that he says he’s not vaccinated because he’s medically exempt. They say he can also be vaccinated and he decided that his personal choice is to not be vaccinated. Which is contrary to the claim that he’s not vaccinated because he’s medically exempt. I’m also surprised that this offer was made and I wonder if it’s commonly made by the Australians?

 

[Chris Koziarz]

Well, if he wanted to take it then it’s a perfect solution. But I was thinking of it from this perspective - that he says he’s not vaccinated because he’s medically exempt. They say he can also be vaccinated and he decided that his personal choice is to not be vaccinated. Which is contrary to the claim that he’s not vaccinated because he’s medically exempt. I’m also surprised that this offer was made and I wonder if it’s commonly made by the Australians?

(my emphasis embedded above)
I don't think such "vaccinate on arrival" offer even makes practical sense for border protection because vaccines do not work straight away: a host develops anti-bodies during 2-3 weeks after the injection and then becomes immune and does not catch potential virus and consequently is less likely to be a "spreading machine" in the community he interacts with. So, in a case like Joker, an alien visiting Australia for couple weeks up to a month, his vaccination on arrival would not affect his danger to Aus public health, but would have an effect starting from about his planned leave, e.g. in his home country. this is not in Australian interest.
Of course my idea of "punishment by vaccination" is a satire. And a bit more seriously a social lesson for Joker teaching him that he's not a god and should follow the rules. And an analogy how society treats people who break the law: e.g. in prison, everyone is forced to follow the rules - if vaxxing needed no ? asked everyone must obey, anti-vaxxer or not. Joker broke the rules, so some adequate punishment be in order.
Finally the second part of punishment by forfeiting prize money to a refugee org, is the most serious idea of mine: Joker could have used his celebrity status to stand for his fellow refugees but in his narcissistic mind, he didn't say anything about them refugees, even if his father hinted him for it...

 

[Kieran]

(my emphasis embedded above)
I don't think such "vaccinate on arrival" offer even makes practical sense for border protection because vaccines do not work straight away: a host develops anti-bodies during 2-3 weeks after the injection and then becomes immune and does not catch potential virus and consequently is less likely to be a "spreading machine" in the community he interacts with. So, in a case like Joker, an alien visiting Australia for couple weeks up to a month, his vaccination on arrival would not affect his danger to Aus public health, but would have an effect starting from about his planned leave, e.g. in his home country. this is not in Australian interest.
Of course my idea of "punishment by vaccination" is a satire. And a bit more seriously a social lesson for Joker teaching him that he's not a god and should follow the rules. And an analogy how society treats people who break the law: e.g. in prison, everyone is forced to follow the rules - if vaxxing needed no ? asked everyone must obey, anti-vaxxer or not. Joker broke the rules, so some adequate punishment be in order.
Finally the second part of punishment by forfeiting prize money to a refugee org, is the most serious idea of mine: Joker could have used his celebrity status to stand for his fellow refugees but in his narcissistic mind, he didn't say anything about them refugees, even if his father hinted him for it...

Yeah I agree with you. They seem to have almost too many valid reasons to break down his case, given his admission that he broke isolation, and that he’d misled on his visa application, and it seems from the article above posted by Tented that they’re going after him primarily based on his unreliable character, and the example his behaviour as essentially a covid-denier when he tested positive and blithely ignored it…

 

[Sundaymorningguy]

I think the best way to describe this is the optics around Djokovic weren’t great. What he proceeded to do during the month of December into January was turn a fuzzy situation into a sh*t show by doing nearly every stupid thing you could imagine before trying to enter a country with strict Covid guidelines. He isn’t honest on his documentation, blames his agent despite having to sign off it which further deteriorates the situation. Optics man they get ya everytime. Social media is the perfect gotcha too.

 

[MargaretMcAleer]

Novak Djokovic v Minister for Immigration,Citzenship,Migrant Services and Multicultural Affairs is listed before Justice O'Callaghan at 10.15am AEDT this morning Saturday 15th,January 2022.Both sides will give their submissions to the Judge.
The hearing will be live on our YouTube channel.
youtube.com/FederalCourtAus.
The hearing will commence in 7 mins from now

 

[Sundaymorningguy]

Do we know anything about this judge?

 

[Kieran]

Djoker should have hired Rake to defend him:

 

[MargaretMcAleer]

Do we know anything about this judge?

No...he has a posh accent

 

[imjimmy]

https://www.cnn.com/asia/live-news/novak-djokovic-australia-visa-ruling-01-14-22/index.html

Novak Djokovic should have received notification of his positive Covid-19 PCR test results on Dec. 16 — as outlined by the timestamp on his test certificate — a Serbian health official said Friday, despite Djokovic’s claim that he did not receive official notification of the test results until Dec. 17.

However, Djokovic claimed in a Jan. 12 statement that he did not receive notification of the positive PCR test result until the next day — after attending a tennis event, where he was photographed, without a mask, meeting with children.
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Does this mean that Novak knew he was positive and still attended a tennis event maskless?

 

[MargaretMcAleer]

They are talking about having a Full Court (which apparently means three judges) to hear the case.The Government is against this.
Looking for a 9.30am AEDT time on Sunday for the hearing

 

[MargaretMcAleer]

https://www.cnn.com/asia/live-news/novak-djokovic-australia-visa-ruling-01-14-22/index.html

Novak Djokovic should have received notification of his positive Covid-19 PCR test results on Dec. 16 — as outlined by the timestamp on his test certificate — a Serbian health official said Friday, despite Djokovic’s claim that he did not receive official notification of the test results until Dec. 17.

However, Djokovic claimed in a Jan. 12 statement that he did not receive notification of the positive PCR test result until the next day — after attending a tennis event, where he was photographed, without a mask, meeting with children.
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Does this mean that Novak knew he was positive and still attended a tennis event maskless?

Yes though he come out and stated in hindsight he should not have attended.Nice to see you here.

 

[MargaretMcAleer]

Just a few procedural items,now dealt with and the hearing is adjourned.Djokovic will now meet with his lawyers at their offices for several hours after which appears that nothing has changed and he must return to the detention hotel.

 

[Sundaymorningguy]

God, this is so mind numbing at times.

 

[MargaretMcAleer]

People bring your 'popcorn' for the 9.30am local time Sunday 15th,January,2022 for the hearing.
Which we could still see a full Federal Court of three judges.

 

[Sundaymorningguy]

I can’t even imagine wanting to compete at this point, but Djokovic like his matches long. What’s a never ending court case to him.