Novak Djokovic's Vaccine Stance & Visa Troubles

[Kieran]

It is not clear what transpired in serbia and spain. I need more facts. He apparently had multiple rapid tests done, they were negative. He went to some events. Pcr test was positive, he admits he did 1 interview knowing and practiced social distancing. Then i’m unclear of his travels in spain and what he may have violated.

but all this is irrelevant here. Serbia and spain will deal with djokovic as they see fit and in won’t defend him if they find his actions deserve punshment

but again, this the problem, you people can’t even think clearly,, i’m just focusing on how tennis australia and victorian government clear him to come, without complying with federal government. Why not simply coordinate with each other, advise novak properly early on, have him decide accordingly after advising him properly, they should’ve never granted him exemption and announced novak was going to participate

It's very clear what happened in Serbia - he did a test and then disregarded the result, and as a consequence even the Serbian PM said ther'll be consequences.

What happened in Spain is that he travelled there. Innocuous enough, we'd all love to, but he lied about this when he entered Australia. So that's not a matter for the Spanish, it's a matter for Djokivic. An immediate matter, actually.

And we are thinking clearly, you're just ignoring any facts that contradict what you want to hear. It's up to Novak to co-ordinate his travel plans. It's up to him to check if his exemption is valid. I don't see why two Australian government agencies are catching your flak, but poor Novak is the victim?

 

[MargaretMcAleer]

Case has been finally adjourned for the night (thank goodness)
Djokovic's case has been moved to Federal Court ( which the Government wanted)
New Hearing Sunday 16th January
Djokovic will stay detained the weekend.

 

[Kieran]

Until someone has been in your shoes , they will NEVER understand or will be incapable of having true empathy..

So you have no empathy, or understanding, and never will? A strange thing to confess on a public forum...

 

[Sundaymorningguy]

As Margaret has stated plenty of times, the Federal government sent 2 notices out in November that stated that a positive test within the past 6 months would not be a valid exemption for entry into the country. I don’t know how much clearer the Federal government needed to be.

 

[tented]

As Margaret has stated plenty of times, the Federal government sent 2 notices out in November that stated that a positive test within the past 6 months would not be a valid exemption for entry into the country. I don’t know how much clearer the Federal government needed to be.

Apparently it needed to be done like a child’s picture book so that Tiley would have understood it as well.

 

[the AntiPusher]

Thanks,though I am certain there are plenty of people out there who have true empathy.

Not on this thread or board.. Just keep reading, they will eventually come after the other players including their Beloved Rafa.

 

[MargaretMcAleer]

Not on this thread or board.. Just keep reading, they will eventually come after the other players including their Beloved Rafa.

Lets take one player at a time.....my head is spinning trying to listen to 'legal jargon' and Judge Kelly lol!

 

[Chris Koziarz]

Thanks,though I am certain there are plenty of people out there who have true empathy.

Empathy is not as hard skill as AntiPusher suggests: focus on people around you and their problems, rather than on your personal problems and eventually the skills to understand others will come. Some people, e.g. on autistic or narcissistic spectra have hard time developing such skills, but eventually after long stubborn training, the skill may come. Incidentally, the subject of this thread exhibits low level of empathy (and his current focus makes his even more ego-centric) but like everybody, he still has a chance to shape his brain and change his life attitude however he wants.

 

[MargaretMcAleer]

Empathy is not as hard skill as AntiPusher suggests: focus on people around you and their problems, rather than on your personal problems and eventually the skills to understand others will come. Some people, e.g. on autistic or narcissistic spectra have hard time developing such skills, but eventually after long stubborn training, the skill may come. Incidentally, the subject of this thread exhibits low level of empathy (and his current focus makes his even more ego-centric) but like everybody, he still has a chance to shape his brain and change his life attitude however he wants.

A great post Chris,I always enjoy reading your posts.

 

[Moxie]

As Margaret has stated plenty of times, the Federal government sent 2 notices out in November that stated that a positive test within the past 6 months would not be a valid exemption for entry into the country. I don’t know how much clearer the Federal government needed to be.

I think I posted this analogy before, and it is not mine, but it is apt, and might help @MikeOne: say you're a student going to study abroad. You get accepted to a program. You still have to do the paperwork right to get accepted into the country. If you don't, you still might not get that student visa. TA and Victoria basically approved him to play in the Australian Open, not to enter Australia, which is the purview of the Fed. Yes, it does seem that it was made clear ages back that a recent Covid case wasn't an exemption for the Fed. But Djokovic got that memo, too, and took his chances.

 

[Sundaymorningguy]

I would argue this point against anyone even my favorites. Immigration has many hurdles to cross if you don’t make sure you have everything in order that falls on you. I’m a paranoid person, so I am checking and rechecking any documents that I sign like 10 times over before I submit anything. Whether it was intentional or not, he didn’t submit factual information on his visa application, and he signs off on it not his agent who filled it out for him.

 

[the AntiPusher]

So you have no empathy, or understanding, and never will? A strange thing to confess on a public forum...

Where did I say I AP had no empathy, where did I say I had no understanding? Why do you read my post when you say I don't read yours ? Why ? I clearly said the anti and reluctant vaccas , KIERAN has no empathy towards those who works in the hospitals around Covid 19 victims.

 

[don_fabio]

I'm puzzled at Nick's change of stance: he's 100% standing by Joker this time (???)

Kyrgios is a rebel and what Novak is doing at the moment is rebelious too, completely opposite of that fake heart sending stuff so it makes sense that Nick is by his side. It is shame for Novak that he was caught being reckless while supposedly having covid, not sure what Nick thinks of that.

 

[Kieran]

Where did I say I AP had no empathy, where did I say I had no understanding? Why do you read my post when you say I don't read yours ? Why ? I clearly said the anti and reluctant vaccas , KIERAN has no empathy towards those who works in the hospitals around Covid 19 victims.

Here’s where you said it.

“AP” (as you now refer to yourself) has never been in Margaret's shoes. And you should watch what you're saying about me. You have no clue about me, or who I know who works in hospitals. And you have no basis to say I have no empathy with people who work in the hospitals. So stop the stupid personal attacks. If you had anything of substance to say, you'd say that instead - but you don't...

 

[the AntiPusher]

Until someone has been in your shoes , they will NEVER understand or will be incapable of having true empathy..

Read and comprehend KIERAN. It's only 19 words and a single period! My words are 'Someone'. How in the HELL can I be referring to myself? READ KIERAN Read. If you need help, use Google translate.

 

[Chris Koziarz]

This thread guys, will be the longest

Kyrgios is a rebel and what Novak is doing at the moment is rebelious too, completely opposite of that fake heart sending stuff so it makes sense that Nick is by his side. It is shame for Novak that he was caught being reckless while supposedly having covid, not sure what Nick thinks of that.

Good point, thanks. Your explanation of Kyrgios' motivation makes perfect sense.

 

[Kieran]

Read and comprehend KIERAN. It's only 19 words and a single period! My words are 'Someone'. How in the HELL can I be referring to myself? READ KIERAN Read. If you need help, use Google translate.

Are you a "someone" who has been Margaret's shoes in the ICU? No! Stop being ignorant. If I state that unless someone has been in a third persons shoes, then I am not excluding myself from that claim. And I'm not the one with a reading comprehension issue on this forum, remember?

 

[Moxie]

Kyrgios is a rebel and what Novak is doing at the moment is rebelious too, completely opposite of that fake heart sending stuff so it makes sense that Nick is by his side. It is shame for Novak that he was caught being reckless while supposedly having covid, not sure what Nick thinks of that.

Somehow I suspect we'll find out what Nick thinks.

 

[Kieran]

Somehow I suspect we'll find out what Nick thinks.

He'll belch or fart it out, as usual. Nick has become an embarrassment to the game. I think that I've seen few players so apathetic and wasteful of their talents as Nick...

 

[Moxie]

He'll belch or fart it out, as usual. Nick has become an embarrassment to the game. I think that I've seen few players so apathetic and wasteful of their talents as Nick...

I disagree. I think he WAS an embarrassment to the game, in his enfant terrible days, but he's become rather more interesting than that. To me, anyway. For no good reason, I rather like him.