Novak Djokovic's Vaccine Stance & Visa Troubles

[MikeOne]

Well that'll be discussed in court, and if he did nothing, he'll be released. But there are good reasons why he ended up in court, and may still get into heavy trouble: lying on his visa application, missing the deadline for a medical exemption, making a false claim for medical exemption, breaking isolation when he knew he had Covid, this one could be used on character grounds. There are suspicions about the validity of his positive test, though these might be groundless. Even the Serbian government say he's in trouble over treating his positive test as something he needn't be concerned about.

Looking at it objectively, he's given them little option to at least examine his bona fides, which as the judge himself just said, "that part of the case remains unresolved."

It's irrelevant if he's not a danger to anyone, although he was a danger to people when he broke isolation, but that didn't matter to him one little bit...

How about australia woul’ve just told him no from beginning? Why provide exemption? Then create this mess

i’m not a conspiracy theorist but this sounds like one:

morrison: ‘hey, grant him exemption, then we will cancel his visa and show we are taking a hard stance on covid. This will be good for elections coming up’

victotian government: ‘sounds good, great idea. He is also an anti-vaxer so public will be on our side. We will coordinate with tennis australia. What if he appeals?

morrison: ‘alex has powers to revoke in case courts intervene, we have than covered’

 

[Sundaymorningguy]

The crazed covid people seem to forget australia granted him the exemption.

so let’s get facts straight. Tennis australia and victorian government grant him exemption and he follows rules. Then, border agents cancel his visa and covid crazed mob treats him as some mirderer

how about australia would’ve told him no from the beginning, allowing novak to either get vaccine or stay home? But no, they f up and tell him he could come

this is a disgrace by australia and shameful behaviour by the covid crazed zombies who aren’t even thinking straight. Deporting him and banning him for 3 years for their own incompetence. Shame on the djoker haters too..

Tennis Australia and the Victorian Government granted him an exemption. You forget the third hurdle the Federal Government who did not exempt him. You don’t get a visa if you don’t check all the boxes, and you don’t get a visa if that third box isn’t checked by the Federal Government. Oh by the way, you also have to fill the form out correctly which he didn’t do per his own words.

 

[MikeOne]

Listen, I'd defend him to the hilt on his vaccine stance. Go down and look in the Covid thread and you'll find opinions there. None of this is relevant to the case he's facing. You have to separate your fandom and look at the situation objectively.

And by the way, I've heard that Rafa may have entered Australia too early after having Covid. If so, that should be investigated also..

Nothing to do with being a fan. You cat argue againsg that australia gave hom exemption when all they had to do is tell him no from the beginning. This feels like w setup, to score political points. There is really nothing you can say to defende the incompetence actions by australia, they created this, fact. Again, had they never granted him exemption, we would’ve never been im this situation. Whether novak wants vaccine or not is totally irrelevant here, australia f up.

 

[Kieran]

How about australia woul’ve just told him no from beginning? Why provide exemption? Then create this mess

i’m not a conspiracy theorist but this sounds like one:

morrison: ‘hey, grant him exemption, then we will cancel his visa and show we are taking a hard stance on covid. This will be good for elections coming up’

victotian government: ‘sounds good, great idea. He is also an anti-vaxer so public will be on our side. We will coordinate with tennis australia. What if he appeals?

morrison: ‘alex has powers to revoke in case courts intervene, we have than covered’

How about he applies for the medical exemption on time? And he doesn't lie on his visa application? Etc?

 

[Kieran]

Nothing to do with being a fan. You cat argue againsg that australia gave hom exemption when all they had to do is tell him no from the beginning. This feels like w setup, to score political points. There is really nothing you can say to defende the incompetence actions by australia, they created this, fact. Again, had they never granted him exemption, we would’ve never been im this situation. Whether novak wants vaccine or not is totally irrelevant here, australia f up.

Okay, imagine we can't defend the Australian government on this - though as @Sundaymorningguy said above, the situation isn't as simple and straightforward as you're presenting - can you defend the "errors of judgment", lies and evasions by Novak?

 

[MikeOne]

Tennis Australia and the Victorian Government granted him an exemption. You forget the third hurdle the Federal Government who did not exempt him. You don’t get a visa if you don’t check all the boxes, and you don’t get a visa if that third box isn’t checked by the Federal Government. Oh by the way, you also have to fill the form out correctly which he didn’t do per his own words.

Again, he was told he could come, by australia. You would think tennis australia and victoriam government would comply with federal government? So they don’t have to but novak does? Again, none of you can defend australia’s actions here, they allow this to happen. So tennis australia and victoriam government can clear someone for an exemption but not bother to consult federal government?

 

[Sundaymorningguy]

The one thing I think that some people are missing is the Federal Government never waivered on its stance that they would not be exempting people who tested positive for Covid-19 in the past 6 months. That message has been out there. What Tennis Australia and the State did is irrelevant because Federal law trumps their laws.

 

[MargaretMcAleer]

BTW the Judge has said to Novak's lawyer's 'Novak is free to go' meaning he can leave Australia
He will be going back detention hotel on Saturday night pending the court case.

 

[Sundaymorningguy]

Novak has recourse he can sue Tennis Australia and the State of Victoria for wasting his time and not following their own Federal guidelines.

 

[the AntiPusher]

I dont Hate Novak Djokovic for starters.I am in the medical profession and work in ICU with COVID patients for 2 years,I invite you to come with me and see these people on ventilators,I have lost young people,people that are fit and healthy with no underlying issues.We have a strict policy here in Australia,they are the Rules.I have always respected Novak's views on vaccine,though if he wanted to come he and play he has to be vaccinated.

Good and honest post Margaret. It takes real courage to go into a hospital every day to perform your day to day duties. Hats off to all of you and your fellow medical professionals. Until it's is actually proven that Novak's pantheon spray had previously infected someone I suspect it will fall on deaf ears with the anti and reluctant vaccas on this thread. The only decision by Novak I respect is whenever he leaves Australia to go home and surround himself with his unvaccinated brethren.

 

[MikeOne]

How about he applies for the medical exemption on time? And he doesn't lie on his visa application? Etc?

It was granted, period and tennis australia confirmed it. Lying on visa app, lol, wrong checkbox marked. Now you zone in on this but it’s so minor that it doesn’t seem even alex hawk cited it as reason to revoke

sorry but you all just have no strong case to pin this on novak without accepting that australia f’d up big time. All tennis australia and victorian government had to do is never grant the exemption as it didn’t comply with federal government… why aren’t they arrested for endangering public by granting exemptions in violation of federal statutes?

 

[Sundaymorningguy]

It was granted, period and tennis australia confirmed it. Lying on visa app, lol, wrong checkbox marked. Now you zone in on this but it’s so minor that it doesn’t seem even alex hawk cited it as reason to revoke

sorry but you all just have no strong case to pin this on novak without accepting that australia f’d up big time. All tennis australia and victorian govetnmeng has to do is never grant the exemption as it didn’t comply with federal government… why aren’t they arrested for endangering public by granting exemptions in violation of federal statutes?

Tennis Australia and Victorian Government officials their punishments are coming.

 

[Sundaymorningguy]

As I also stated, Novak certainly can try to sue Tennis Australia and Victoria for recoup of expenses and potential revenue loss.

 

[Kieran]

It was granted, period and tennis australia confirmed it. Lying on visa app, lol, wrong checkbox marked. Now you zone in on this but it’s so minor that it doesn’t seem even alex hawk cited it as reason to revoke

sorry but you all just have no strong case to pin this on novak without accepting that australia f’d up big time. All tennis australia and victorian government had to do is never grant the exemption as it didn’t comply with federal government… why aren’t they arrested for endangering public by granting exemptions in violation of federal statutes?

You’re missing the point and it’s been repeated here in posts that both follow and precede yours: there’s an issue about who can issue a medical exemption. The federal government aren’t obliged to uphold an exemption that’s got no validity and which was applied for too late anyway, according to the rules of the people who gave it.

And the lie on the visa isn’t a small thing, unless you consider “the small print” to be an invisible thing…

 

[MargaretMcAleer]

Good and honest post Margaret. It takes real courage to go into a hospital every day to perform your day to day duties. Hats off to all of you and your fellow medical professionals. Until it's is actually proven that Novak's pantheon spray had previously infected someone I suspect it will fall on deaf ears with the anti and reluctant vaccas on this thread. The only decision by Novak I respect is whenever he leaves Australia to go home and surround himself with his unvaccinated brethren.

Thanks,I am just part of a highly trained team of doctors and nurses,who I have the most respect for.I am grateful to be a part of their team.

 

[MikeOne]

Okay, imagine we can't defend the Australian government on this - though as @Sundaymorningguy said above, the situation isn't as simple and straightforward as you're presenting - can you defend the "errors of judgment", lies and evasions by Novak?

It is not clear what transpired in serbia and spain. I need more facts. He apparently had multiple rapid tests done, they were negative. He went to some events. Pcr test was positive, he admits he did 1 interview knowing and practiced social distancing. Then i’m unclear of his travels in spain and what he may have violated.

but all this is irrelevant here. Serbia and spain will deal with djokovic as they see fit and in won’t defend him if they find his actions deserve punshment

but again, this the problem, you people can’t even think clearly,, i’m just focusing on how tennis australia and victorian government clear him to come, without complying with federal government. Why not simply coordinate with each other, advise novak properly early on, have him decide accordingly after advising him properly, they should’ve never granted him exemption and announced novak was going to participate

 

[the AntiPusher]

Thanks,I am just part of a highly trained team of doctors and nurses,who I have the most respect for.I am grateful to be a part of their team.

Until someone has been in your shoes , they will NEVER understand or will be incapable of having true empathy..

 

[Chris Koziarz]

Novak has recourse he can sue Tennis Australia and the State of Victoria for wasting his time and not following their own Federal guidelines.

Absolutely, Joker will sue TA, no matter the outcome of his case against Minister Alex.
Renata Voracova has threatened to sue them (for relatively minor flight expenses), so a comparatively more copious suit by a Big Joker Boy is almost a certainty.

Deported doubles player frustrated by Djokovic decision

Renata Voracova had been kept in the same deportation centre as Novak Djokovic before flying out of Melbourne last Saturday.

www.smh.com.au

 

[tented]

i’m just focusing on how tennis australia and victorian government clear him to come, without complying with federal government. Why not simply coordinate with each other, advise novak properly early on, have him decide accordingly after advising him properly, they should’ve never granted him exemption and announced novak was going to participate

Yes, I agree. If everyone had been on the same page to begin with, a coordinated effort would have avoided all of this — which is how it should have happened. Since it didn’t, this shit show has ensued. If nothing else, I hope this serves as a lesson for all other tournaments to get things straight before telling players whether or not they can participate.

 

[MargaretMcAleer]

Until someone has been in your shoes , they will NEVER understand or will be incapable of having true empathy..

Thanks,though I am certain there are plenty of people out there who have true empathy.