Novak Djokovic's Vaccine Stance & Visa Troubles

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If it is the same judge as in the first case, Djokovic will play.

Man, it’s getting more crazier
My understanding is that it would go to the same judge who does seem somewhat sympathetic to Novak, so, yeah, he could keep playing while it goes through the courts. And we all know that court cases generally take longer than a grand slam tournament.
 
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It's his problem, not mine :) I got vaccinated, because of the job/frequent traveling. He could have done it too, but chose not to and now faces the consequences. Simple as that.
Well in my job I also have to be vaccinated I can relate Don.
 
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Again, you must be delusional! I haven't given Novak any excuses! Just stated facts "you don't treat the #1 player in the world like this!" It's far from funny! The future of the tournament w/b in question! WhoTF will want to go? It's a real trip as it is! W/ a possibility of being kicked out like this? IDK!
The ones that wanted to go got their vaccinations, which is most of them. They have no fear of not being allowed in the future. There's no reason to extract what is happening to Novak to other players. Novak is in many ways the author of his own destruction here. There were simple solutions to his dilemma, and they were offered to him.
 

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The ones that wanted to go got their vaccinations, which is most of them. They have no fear of not being allowed in the future. There's no reason to extract what is happening to Novak to other players. Novak is in many ways the author of his own destruction here. There were simple solutions to his dilemma, and they were offered to him.
Novak is just on a 'self destruction' trip at the moment,sad for a No 1 player to behave like this.
 
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Just heard that Novak's lawyers are about to put an injunction,hearing could be tomorrow,being Saturday in Melbourne
 

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Another thing is that if a judge allows Djokovic to play while having an appeal case going on, other players will definitely be “frustrated” or “angry.”
 
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If Djoke has any dignity left, he wouldn’t appeal. I’m incredulous he is putting up a barrier of lawyers and insisting on playing in a country that doesn’t want him.
But I don't think this is how he sees it. He's lost all perceptive. He thinks he's right, and he's being persecuted for no reason. He also does seem to think he's above the law, possibly abetted by Craig Tiley, and Judge Kelly. He's told he's right by his team and his family and his fellow Serbs, and now he's the victim here. He always turns himself into the victim when he's done something wrong.
 
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I think so too…but we will see!
But they are a country of laws, and it will have to go through process, I assume. I mean, as we know, any normal Joe or Jane would have been long gone, as the Czech Jane was, but if you have the money to prolong the process, it's still possible. And Novak does. But it is an immigration and border issue, and if they want to deport him, he should be on the next plane, full stop. But this is where money and power comes in. Which is sticking in people's craws, around the world. It's blatant.
 

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Given everything that’s happened, the Australians had no choice. But on what grounds can Novak appeal? I’m sure we already know the facts, and if they’re as true as Novak himself has even admitted, on what grounds can they be overturned?

I just read that even if Novak wins the appeal, the Australian government can appeal against that. The stakes are high here, but obviously the only thing that matters to Novak is playing tennis now. In some ways, that’s ballsy, to ignore the pressure and continue, but another way of looking at it is that this is all happening more or less the way he planned it. He had no right to be in the country in the first place, he knew that, but also he knew he could afford to assemble a top legal team that could challenge everything so it would be difficult to get him out of the country…
 
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Given everything that’s happened, the Australians had no choice. But on what grounds can Novak appeal? I’m sure we already know the facts, and if they’re as true as Novak himself has even admitted, on what grounds can they be overturned?

I just read that even if Novak wins the appeal, the Australian government can appeal against that. The stakes are high here, but obviously the only thing that matters to Novak is playing tennis now. In some ways, that’s ballsy, to ignore the pressure and continue, but another way of looking at it is that this is all happening more or less the way he planned it. He had no right to be in the country in the first place, he knew that, but also he knew he could afford to assemble a top legal team that could challenge everything so it would be difficult to get him out of the country…
I completely doubt that he thought it would go this way. Who could have? No one expected an utter international sh¡t storm. He absolutely believed he'd swan in with his exemption and it was all over. Now he's just trying to stick his big chin out and hope the expensive lawyers do him right.
 
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I completely doubt that he thought it would go this way. Who could have? No one expected an utter international sh¡t storm. He absolutely believed he'd swan in with his exemption and it was all over. Now he's just trying to stick his big chin out and hope the expensive lawyers do him right.
I don’t know, he had to have known his visa lie alone would be enough to get him stopped. Maybe I’m overthinking it, but I don’t see how he couldn’t have felt that this would happen.

By the way, I’m wondering if his legal challenge was inevitable anyway, to try get the judgement lessened. As in, that he knows he’s gone but that potential jail time or 3 year bans don’t happen?
 

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Section 133C(3) the affected person would not be able to be granted visa (while offshore) for a period of 3 years,except in certain circumstances...that is one of the laws Alex Hawke has stated in his offcial statement regarding Novak Djokovic

Novak Djokovic visa was cancelled on the grounds of 'public interest' relating to 'health and good order'.
 

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Good opinion on TA in my newspaper. I fully concur. Craig Tiley's position (to use our political language) became "untennable". I expect Craig to resign very soon, because all tennis fans (liking Joker or not) start blaming Craig for this mess. Even though this is Joker's personal fault, Craig has "coached" him into it, by offering false sense of "exemption" contrary to our immigration rules.
 

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I don’t know, he had to have known his visa lie alone would be enough to get him stopped. Maybe I’m overthinking it, but I don’t see how he couldn’t have felt that this would happen.

By the way, I’m wondering if his legal challenge was inevitable anyway, to try get the judgement lessened. As in, that he knows he’s gone but that potential jail time or 3 year bans don’t happen?
I think the time for deal-cutting has passed. Mostly. I don't know if you read above that it was revealed that Novak was offered to take one jab in Australia, by last Monday, and they would call that, with his Covid positive, a 2 x jab and let him in, no harm no foul. And he refused.

I'm inclined to think that there must have been some background talk about letting him leave quietly, and they might forgive some of that lying on government paperwork. That's me speculating, but that is what expensive lawyers do. Mitigate circumstances. But Novak forced the government's hand, and that pisses people off.

Here's what I think will happen: if he succeeds in playing the legal system, and gets to play this AO, the rest will go on in the court system for some long time, but Australia will enforce the 3-year ban. If he leaves the country in the next few days, conceding that he wasn't legal to be there, the 3-year ban will eventually be lifted, before the next AO. Some fines will be paid, etc. But this has all gotten too ugly for deal making, right now.
 

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I have no respect for Joker, especially now. I'm like Kyrgios from few months ago & I'm puzzled at Nick's change of stance: he's 100% standing by Joker this time (???) This must be purely political tactics by Nick; I don't believe he changed his mind just like that... I also don't lament about "the loss" in the tennis world as some other fans do. Other players will come (final time for it) with similar or even better play (likely with better character) and the world of tennis moves on...

To those who ask "what if Fedals were in this position ?" my answer is: impossible, Fedals with their character would be unable to "compete" with the law. If they found themselves in Joker's shoes by mistake, they would accept the mishap (in essence similar to Federer's injury mishap preventing him from competing in this AO in particular) and go/stay home. They would not risk a huge PR loss (affecting potential dozens mln in sponsorship assignments), for an imaginary gain of 3 mln max, if allowed to play and win. Joker has always been bad at PR and he's showing his bad now, big time.
 

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There will be a "directions hearing in 10 mins time (melbourne time 8.45pm) in the Federal Court before Judge Kelly.Djokovic vs the Minister for Immigration.
Hopefully will get some indication on what steps are for Djokovic next.
 
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I don’t know how he could win this. The other two who tried for the same exemption had their visas cancelled. Judge Kelly would set an awful example if he gave Novak a pass. Novak went one step further and signed off on a visa with inaccurate information. I would think a ruling in Novak’s favor would set up for a series of court challenges from other people who saw their visas cancelled depending on the grounds.
 
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