Novak Djokovic's Vaccine Stance & Visa Troubles

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I’d hope most of us would be concerned, because this isn’t a small thing, and Djoker is an important component of what makes modern tennis so compelling. The whole thing is tragic, in its way.

What does it mean, they’re diplomatic assistance?
It is standard practice for governments to offer their citizens assistance if they are in need abroad. For instance, when you get thrown in jail. That is a big part of what diplomats do abroad. In the case of Djokovic, the guy is so popular in Serbia it is a national issue, so I would not be surprised if the prime minister or someone like that is in touch over this with the Australians. It is less likely this would happen for Joe the plumber, unless sufficient media attention is generated and people at home (usually not the case). Then you just get a consular officer visiting you once a month in jail asking you if you liked the food.
 

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Just stating what is happening: the Serbian government is offering diplomatic assistance to the most popular citizen in their country.

You can get all excited about deporting someone if you want, enjoy it. I am not going to advocate forced or voluntary expulsion of any tennis player for a particular tournament. It's a global sport. If Nadal files incorrect paperwork, I would not get excited like you about his prospects of getting deported, that is for sure. I would, however, get excited if he gets straightsetted by Djokovic.

Nice deflections, Denis.

You wouldn’t “advocate forced or voluntary expulsion of any tennis player”? Even if caught using PEDs? Or committing assault? You’d still advocate against expulsion? I guess you’re fully committed to their privilege getting them out of situations others would be expelled for.
 

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Nice deflections, Denis.

You wouldn’t “advocate forced or voluntary expulsion of any tennis player”? Even if caught using PEDs? Or committing assault? You’d still advocate against expulsion? I guess you’re fully committed to their privilege getting them out of situations others would be expelled for.
They’re great points, bro. I think we’d all chuck the book at any Lance Armstrong in our sport.

Just on the issue of privilege, I agree with you but I’d say also, that if I worked my socks off to get where Novak is, and I had the money he has, I’d be mad not to use it. It’s not always an unfair advantage to be rich. It’s often the result of effort. And if it takes a great wealthy man using his resources to expose a loophole in the law that’s inaccessible to a person of lesser means, then isn’t the law at fault?

But in so many ways - and I think that this is what you’re referring to - privilege plays a part in the negative, in situations like this, as in, the arrogance of somebody believing they’re too big to follow rules, and others treating them too deferentially out of fear of their power, wealth, or popularity…
 
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Nice deflections, Denis.

You wouldn’t “advocate forced or voluntary expulsion of any tennis player”? Even if caught using PEDs? Or committing assault? You’d still advocate against expulsion? I guess you’re fully committed to their privilege getting them out of situations others would be expelled for.
My goodness tented, read the post. I was talking about the paperwork.

And no, I would not advocate deportion from Australia if Nadal took PEDs. I would think a ban from the sport is more suitable.

In any event, you remined me why I stopped posting here: your presence. Lost my interest again. So to the others: enjoy the tennis and have a good one.
 
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My goodness tented, read the post. I was talking about the paperwork.

And no, I would not advocate deportion from Australia if Nadal took PEDs. I would think a ban from the sport is more suitable.

In any event, you remined me why I stopped posting here: your presence. Lost my interest again. So to the others: enjoy the tennis and have a good one.
That’s a bit unfair. You were criticising people for “getting excited about deporting someone.” You invited a reply from the person you were accusing. Tented made some good points that are at least worth engaging with on their merits…
 

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My goodness tented, read the post. I was talking about the paperwork.

And no, I would not advocate deportion from Australia if Nadal took PEDs. I would think a ban from the sport is more suitable.

In any event, you remined me why I stopped posting here: your presence. Lost my interest again. So to the others: enjoy the tennis and have a good one.
So, once again, instead of addressing the posts and specific points both Kieran and I posted, you run away. Bye!
 

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Nine hours for Hawke to make his move. Australia should fine Djoke at least a million dollars to pay the legal bills from his trial and other expenses associated with this circus.
Djoke should voluntarily withdraw from AO and fly to Serbia where he should keep quiet for a while. He’s become the Lance Armstrong of tennis.
 

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Nine hours for Hawke to make his move. Australia should fine Djoke at least a million dollars to pay the legal bills from his trial and other expenses associated with this circus.
Djoke should voluntarily withdraw from AO and fly to Serbia where he should keep quiet for a while. He’s become the Lance Armstrong of tennis.
I don’t think he has quite hit the level of being labeled the “Lance Armstrong of tennis” but it is bad. Very bad. His reputation will never fully recover from this, since it has become such a huge, international story.
 

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Quite frankly it is a 'sad day for tennis'....hopefully Alex Hawke will announce the Government's intentions later this morning.
 
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Nine hours for Hawke to make his move. Australia should fine Djoke at least a million dollars to pay the legal bills from his trial and other expenses associated with this circus.
Djoke should voluntarily withdraw from AO and fly to Serbia where he should keep quiet for a while. He’s become the Lance Armstrong of tennis.
Armstrong was a drug cheat his whole career and while the jury's out on the drug status of the ATP players, currently Djokovic is nothing more than a liar and a guy who broke a few isolation rules with a really annoying family. Hardly the same thing.
 

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I don’t think he has quite hit the level of being labeled the “Lance Armstrong of tennis” but it is bad. Very bad. His reputation will never fully recover from this, since it has become such a huge, international story.
I know Aus is not an ATP event, but could the ATP levy some kind of sanction against him because of his actions last month when he took that positive test?
 

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I know Aus is not an ATP event, but could the ATP levy some kind of sanction against him because of his actions last month when he took that positive test?

I’m not sure. Someone referenced the following, from Twitter, the other day, but I can’t find it on the ATP site.

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Anyway , why everything around Novak is always a mystery and controversy? his personality, his union with "Pepe", when he finished with his team and chanting different coaches, his extreme care with his body, his ambition so marked and now all of this? what a mess!
 

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Anyway , why everything around Novak is always a mystery and controversy? his personality, his union with "Pepe", when he finished with his team and chanting different coaches, his extreme care with his body, his ambition so marked and now all of this? what a mess!
Novak's flexiblity means rather than sitting, he could dodge the virus even better than this by doing the splits!

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The biggest problem for Novak in this whole situation is that he never saw it coming. I think he was quite convinced that all will go smooth from the moment he boarded a plane.

Why he went out to shoot photos day after tested positive to covid is probably because he never tought that info will get that far and see the light of the day. What was his plan if didn't get covid, he would just not play? Whole thing looks orchestrated and not played cautios enough.

What are the chances that he still doesn't play AO? Looks more probable it might happen now that he is getting crusified for reckless behaviour and not being honest.
 

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Novak's flexiblity means rather than sitting, he could dodge the virus even better than this by doing the splits!

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But according to him he has got the virus twice