Novak Djokovic's Vaccine Stance & Visa Troubles

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He's going to play. And everything will go as normal, to the extent that it can. The government will fine him, down the road, for some irregularities in his paperwork. He will pay the fines happily, because he can afford it, and it will all go quietly away. This is how rich people get to do what they want.
I'm thinking they'll fine him to the tune of 500G's to recoup those legal fees. :laugh:
 

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Whether he knew he was positive or not, he took a test for a reason (apparently because he thought he was exposed). Until you know the result of the test, you are supposed to isolate and wear a mask if you have to go out or come in contact with others.
 

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Whether he knew he was positive or not, he took a test for a reason (apparently because he thought he was exposed). Until you know the result of the test, you are supposed to isolate and wear a mask if you have to go out or come in contact with others.
This. I’m like he took the test for a reason. He shouldn’t be going anywhere if he can help it most certainly if he knows he is positive. He should be masked, and I wouldn’t say a photo shoot counts as a need to be place.
 
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This. I’m like he took the test for a reason. He shouldn’t be going anywhere if he can help it most certainly if he knows he is positive. He should be masked, and I wouldn’t say a photo shoot counts as a need to be place.
Again. His family is not helping him when they make these kind of statements.
 

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Again. His family is not helping him when they make these kind of statements.
Or hustle out the press when they ask awkward questions. TBH, who let those dogs out? I think the team should muzzle the family for the foreseeable future. They have never been great with the PR, and they are not helping now.
 
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Every news clip from "down under" seems to feel it would be better to be hypocrites and allow Novak to play over running him out of the country where the NEWS would go on for heaven knows how long! This is a Victorian event so Chris Smith (9) is on Dan Andrews' arse & doling out a lot of blame for changing his stance on the issue! :sick: :anxious-face-with-sweat::pleading-face::face-with-hand-over-mouth::laugh:
 
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If turns out Novak's positive test was somehow falsified or he has been dishonest, he should face consequences but so far, i agree with kyrgios, the media, politicians and many have been very unfair

Djokovic's crimes:

1. Has never wanted to get vaccinated as he probably feels he doesn't need it being healthy and having had covid before. He has never spread misinformation or discouraged others from getting vaccinated.
2. Followed Australia's rules. Australia gave him an exception and then he was denied after he completed a 15 hour or so flight. It's not his fault that Australia's system has failed him (tennis Australia, Victorian government and commonwealth government should be operating in unison)

Djokovic hasn't done anything wrong IMO. Media likes to divide, politicians like to take advantage of these situations and many just love to create villains they can unleash their anger towards.

Now, if Djokovic is guilty of something else, i won't defend it if i deem it to be wrong. The above, however, is totally harmless and people need to stop being so nasty.
 

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Btw, Djokovic just released a statement on instagram:

He states that he attended a basketball game in Belgrade on 12/14 where many tested positive for covid

On 12/16, he took a rapid antigen test, which was negative

Out of an abundance of caution, he took PCR test, on 12/16

The next day, he went to to an event before knowing of the result of PCR test. After event,. he was notified of positive result

The next day, he cancelled some events but did do 1 interview, wore a mask and practiced social distancing. He admits this was an error though

Next day he went home and isolated

He has also addressed the travel declaration. He claims that his support team submitted it and that it was a honest administrative mistake and that he has clarified facts with australian government.



So there you have it. We an certainly question why he conducted that interview but we now know about why he was at the earlier event with kids, he didn't know of positive result at the time. As far as travel declaration, well, a mistake by his team.... Will Australia deport him for this? The question i have is whether djokovic lied during the interview, if he didn't and its' just a matter of this administrative error.... hardly a big offense?


Deporting Djokovic and banning him for 3 years for above would be drastic and Australian government risks losing a court battle and humiliation yet again as Djokovic can challenge this as-well.

IMO, Australia needs to own their internal mess, how the different entities couldn't coordinate to properly handle this. If they deport and ban Djokovic, i', not sure they come out a winner here. The PM is probably just trying to figure out what would be the best political move, sadly.
 

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Btw, Djokovic just released a statement on instagram:

He states that he attended a basketball game in Belgrade on 12/14 where many tested positive for covid

On 12/16, he took a rapid antigen test, which was negative

Out of an abundance of caution, he took PCR test, on 12/16

The next day, he went to to an event before knowing of the result of PCR test. After event,. he was notified of positive result

The next day, he cancelled some events but did do 1 interview, wore a mask and practiced social distancing. He admits this was an error though

Next day he went home and isolated

He has also addressed the travel declaration. He claims that his support team submitted it and that it was a honest administrative mistake and that he has clarified facts with australian government.



So there you have it. We an certainly question why he conducted that interview but we now know about why he was at the earlier event with kids, he didn't know of positive result at the time. As far as travel declaration, well, a mistake by his team.... Will Australia deport him for this? The question i have is whether djokovic lied during the interview, if he didn't and its' just a matter of this administrative error.... hardly a big offense?


Deporting Djokovic and banning him for 3 years for above would be drastic and Australian government risks losing a court battle and humiliation yet again as Djokovic can challenge this as-well.

IMO, Australia needs to own their internal mess, how the different entities couldn't coordinate to properly handle this. If they deport and ban Djokovic, i', not sure they come out a winner here. The PM is probably just trying to figure out what would be the best political move, sadly.
So, he recognized that he'd had an exposure, and "out of an abundance of caution," took two tests. But then lacking that same caution, went to a few events. On the 16th, it was the commemorative stamp thingy, unmasked, and a kids event at his tennis center, unmasked. On the 17th, another event to honor youth tennis players at his center. On the 18th, a photoshoot for L'equipe, unmasked. So, not quite as Novak would have it on his Instagram. And if he isolated after that, it still was a couple of days of putting himself out there with a lot of people. (Photos below.)

I'm not trying to do a big "gotcha" on this, but you're choosing to believe what he put out there on Instagram, to mitigate his culpability after his positive test, and I'm just saying the proof that that is not really true is out there on social media, and not hard to come by.

16th December:

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17th December:

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18th December:

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So, he recognized that he'd had an exposure, and "out of an abundance of caution," took two tests. But then lacking that same caution, went to a few events. On the 16th, it was the commemorative stamp thingy, unmasked, and a kids event at his tennis center, unmasked. On the 17th, another event to honor youth tennis players at his center. On the 18th, a photoshoot for L'equipe, unmasked. So, not quite as Novak would have it on his Instagram. And if he isolated after that, it still was a couple of days of putting himself out there with a lot of people. (Photos below.)

I'm not trying to a big "gotcha" on this, but you're choosing to believe what he put out there on Instagram, to mitigate his culpability after his positive test, and I'm just saying the proof that that is not really true is out there on social media, and not hard to come by.

16th December:

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17th December:

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He said he had two negative tests before kids event.. read his ig post

reality is you don’t really care, no mattet what he says, you hate the man and will find a reason to attack
 
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He said he had two negative tests before kids event.. read his ig post

reality is you don’t really care, no mattet what he says, you hate the man and will find a reason to attack
I'm not on Instagram, I am reacting to what you reported. But I did see his PCR test, which only took 7 hours to come in. That was on the 16th, and he was concerned enough to take 2 (or, now you're saying, 3? tests.) I still think he was behaving cavalierly for a person who was that concerned that he'd had an exposure. And even after he knew he was positive, there was a kids event the following day, and a photo shoot the day after that.

It is a cheap shot to say that I'm attacking him because I don't like him. What I'm doing is rebutting what he said, according to you, because it's easily knowable. What's wrong with getting the facts straight? Would you prefer I ignore them, just to be kinder to him? I could just as easily say to you that you are ignoring what is out there to be known because it suits you. Anyway, that's why I attached photos from social media...for folks like you that need hard evidence. If you choose to blow it off, be my guest.
 

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Lies and more lies. I think he never took a test on Dec 16. He patched a bunch of events together to make his case, never suspecting his paperwork would become public due to the trial. His claims don’t hold up to scrutiny. I’ll be rooting loudly against him. A triple bagel set loss in round one, please!!
 
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