Novak Djokovic's Vaccine Stance & Visa Troubles

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I wrote it already:
maybe he took the test in first place because it was prerequisite for attending an event

i have to do this frequently for example to enter a restaurant or something, despite being vaccinated or not
Sure, exactly, so do I, for work, etc. But normally, if you DON'T pass the test, you don't go to work, attend the event, etc. But Novak took a test, for some reason; then he failed it, and then carried on with his life as if nothing, for 2-3 documented days on social media. Doesn't that seem odd to you? If he was required to take a test for one or more of these events, he failed it, and should have cancelled. If he wasn't required to take a test for any of these events, and he was asymptomatic, then why did he take a test? If he was symptomatic, then why did he attend these events, with no mask and no distancing? It doesn't add up.
 
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Is it true that the Australian government requested a delay to Mondays proceedings, until Wednesday? If so, could this be why they haven’t acted yet? They’re using the time they requested to collate the Intel and see if there’s a case?
 

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Reading about Djokers lies in this case, it might be more difficult to find examples of him telling the truth. This doesn’t surprise me about him, a certain mix of ambition and arrogance can be fatal to a persons moral choices, but I hope he has to face these questions sometime in Australia, if the government are too cowed to follow up. I imagine the media will do the proper searching for truth. I’m also a little amazed at the blatant stupidity of some of the lies, given that he’s such a high profile figure.

As for an alleged fake test result, it wouldn’t surprise me either way, if he faked it, or if it’s fake news to discredit him. Is there any type of blood test he could take to prove it either way? Or are the allegations of a fake result based upon natural suspicions about his moral character?
there is also no definite proof with a blood test, because individuals can have different immune responses to infection or vaccination, the immune response can also flatten out at different rates
in this case it could be the perfect crime;)
 

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Sure, exactly, so do I, for work, etc. But normally, if you DON'T pass the test, you don't go to work, attend the event, etc. But Novak took a test, for some reason; then he failed it, and then carried on with his life as if nothing, for 2-3 documented days on social media. Doesn't that seem odd to you? If he was required to take a test for one or more of these events, he failed it, and should have cancelled. If he wasn't required to take a test for any of these events, and he was asymptomatic, then why did he take a test? If he was symptomatic, then why did he attend these events, with no mask and no distancing? It doesn't add up.
The only thing I can tell you for sure is that I wouldn’t do so
and I’m repeating myself again if he didn’t mind it would explain a lot of these actions and we still don’t know when he exactly knew about it
 

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I wrote it already:
maybe he took the test in first place because it was prerequisite for attending an event

i have to do this frequently for example to enter a restaurant or something, despite being vaccinated or not

No1e got infected at the basketball game he was with with Pospisil, I believe. One of the Spanish players announced very quickly after match that he was infected and No1e probably went for testing at that time because all the Spanish players took pictures with him.
 
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Hey, Denis! Nice to see you around. And massive deflection on your part. You can say that people need to get some perspective, but this is one of those things that DOES give perspective. There is a reason it has become an international story and that it reaches beyond tennis. A lot of regular schlubs in Australia, and the rest of the world have been trying to do the right thing, best we can assess, during this pandemic. Toe the line, curb our normal activities, and try our best for the common good. Get our vaccinations. Then a rich, famous athlete, (and he's not the only one, and it's not only athletes,) says that the rules don't apply to him, and suddenly they don't. Well, people get pissed off, and in this case, a lot of people, and not just in Australia. We don't like to be reminded that the rules are different for rich people. You may not like it that this has become a cause célèbre, but it has, and for a reason. Because it's all too true, and sometimes the rabble rouses over it.

Hi Mox, good to see you posting here. I am a bit shocked to be honest to see all the self-rightousness and hate directed at people who do not want to be vaccinated. A more civil and respectful discourse would be preferable. I am vaccinated btw (it is sad I have to say it, but this is what is needed these days to not be portrayed as the anti-Christ), but I respect those who choose not to given the current situation. The vaccines are not as effective against transmission as we all hoped (or were told early 2021), and certainly not effective enough to justify running after people with needles. This really seems the direction people want us to go. Also considering COVID-19 is not exactly ebola or polio to justify such an intrusion into people's autonomy and human rights. I think for now it is still the best course of action to advocate the use of vaccines, but let us stay away from all the nastiness towards those who choose not to. The Djokovic crucifiction is a bit too much for my taste, unfortunately the Fedal fans seem to be getting the popcorn out on Golgotha. Djokovic has enough flaws to keep you going. At least his fear of needles or whatever it is seem to finally put any doping allegations of the past to rest.
 

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there is also no definite proof with a blood test, because individuals can have different immune responses to infection or vaccination, the immune response can also flatten out at different rates
in this case it could be the perfect crime;)
Rumours that lieutenant Columbo is double jabbed, and is rummaging through his coat and trousers pockets for his passport at LAX are hopefully true! :lol6:
 

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Hi Mox, good to see you posting here. I am a bit shocked to be honest to see all the self-rightousness and hate directed at people who do not want to be vaccinated. A more civil and respectful discourse would be preferable. I am vaccinated btw (it is sad I have to say it, but this is what is needed these days to not be portrayed as the anti-Christ), but I respect those who choose not to given the current situation. The vaccines are not as effective against transmission as we all hoped (or were told early 2021), and certainly not effective enough to justify running after people with needles. This really seems the direction people want us to go. Also considering COVID-19 is not exactly ebola or polio to justify such an intrusion into people's autonomy and human rights. I think for now it is still the best course of action to advocate the use of vaccines, but let us stay away from all the nastiness towards those who choose not to. The Djokovic crucifiction is a bit too much for my taste, unfortunately the Fedal fans seem to be getting the popcorn out on Golgotha. Djokovic has enough flaws to keep you going. At least his fear of needles or whatever it is seem to finally put any doping allegations of the past to rest.
Me and Denis finally agree on something, except the stuff about Djokovic and Fedal, which by international law, we’re bound not to agree on…

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No1e got infected at the basketball game he was with with Pospisil, I believe. One of the Spanish players announced very quickly after match that he was infected and No1e probably went for testing at that time because all the Spanish players took pictures with him.
Where was this?
 

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Basketball match Zvezda - Barcelona, December 15 in Belgrade.
There is also a video of all the Barcelona players taking pictures with Novak, but I can't find that at the moment.

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Basketball match Zvezda - Barcelona, December 15 in Belgrade.
There is also a video of all the Barcelona players taking pictures with Novak, but I can't find that at the moment.


I found a picture (photo) of a man from No1e probably received covid.

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No1e određen za prvog nosioca na AO.
I am sorry that the announcement in Serbian remained.

No1e determined as the first holder of the AO.


 
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I found a picture (photo) of a man from No1e probably received covid.

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Or gave it to, we don’t know.

But if this timeline is right, then Novak tested on the 16th, but his positive result would be later. In the meantime, he should isolate, right?

So why didn’t he isolate?
 

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Sure, exactly, so do I, for work, etc. But normally, if you DON'T pass the test, you don't go to work, attend the event, etc. But Novak took a test, for some reason; then he failed it, and then carried on with his life as if nothing, for 2-3 documented days on social media. Doesn't that seem odd to you? If he was required to take a test for one or more of these events, he failed it, and should have cancelled. If he wasn't required to take a test for any of these events, and he was asymptomatic, then why did he take a test? If he was symptomatic, then why did he attend these events, with no mask and no distancing? It doesn't add up.
srpski brat helped with this:

we forgot to mention another reason that explains why Novak tested himself without having symptoms: he had contact to a person that was tested positive on 15th

sounds logic didn’t it?
 

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Or gave it to, we don’t know.

But if this timeline is right, then Novak tested on the 16th, but his positive result would be later. In the meantime, he should isolate, right?

So why didn’t he isolate?
We go circles with this frequently asked question, only he could answer it

but much more important for this case is , this fact makes a fake test unlikely
 

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srpski brat helped with this:

we forgot to mention another reason that explains why Novak tested himself without having symptoms: he had contact to a person that was tested positive on 15th

sounds logic didn’t it?
I think that the player, I forgot his name, announced a few hours after the game that was on December 15th. in the evening that he is positive on covid. I believe that this made No1e test him self, which was done on December 16th. This is also stated in the test document published by Rothenberg.
 
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I think that the player, I forgot his name, announced a few hours after the game that was on December 15th. in the evening that it is positive on covid. I believe that this made No1e test him self, which was done on December 16th. This is also stated in the test document published by Rothenberg.
yes you are absolutely right
I remembered it while reading your post above
Thx