Novak Djokovic's Vaccine Stance & Visa Troubles

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The process was archaic and unprofessional which is why Novak's walking around free as we speak! It might have been nice for him to follow along with the rest of us and "take his medicine," but there have been some other top athletes out there who've skipped "the poke!" Novak's skirting any responsibilty of his own, but that's why they do what they do! The elites are treated differently! The rules don't alway apply! It could have been done quietly, but "they blew it" trying to make an example of him! Now it's backfired and there's a possibilty this could have lasting affects on the tournament's future! A ton of top players have already bowed out; a few uncertain due to injury! The draws are already becoming decimated! Do they really want to "boot" Novak with that heavy contingent of Serbian fans? I mean it might get real ugly down there! :facepalm: :fearful-face::sick::anxious-face-with-sweat:
I would say the process is NOT archaic, as it only applies to the covid-times we live in, and the here-and-now. Clearly there has been confusion between the state of Victoria, Tennis Australia, the federal government, and now the courts that represent the government. But you are right to say that Novak has skirted responsibility, and gets away with it because that's what the elites do. It's just that that is a bitter pill to swallow for the man-on-the-street. And he/she/we don't like to have it thrown in our faces. This is a PR nightmare in many ways, not least for Novak. But I don't think the AO has to suffer. And the draws have not been "decimated," you drama queen. I think there is every chance of a really interesting tournament, men's and women's, even if Novak gets the boot, or gets shown the door early. Novak is far from the only story in tennis, and I thought you were a proponent of other players making a mark.
 

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Surely no proof for fake test, but it is beginning to smell like day-old fish. If the test was prerequisite for participating in any of those events, he didn't pass it, and should have passed on the event, never minding what else he should have done to avoid infecting others. If he took a test, he should have been at least curious how it came out within 24 hours. Ignorance of it is no excuse. And even if he believes that infection might cause no more symptoms than a mild flu, why should he risk that others get sick? Even mildly? No matter how you slice it, the taking of the test and the ignoring of the results doesn't really add up. Which is why it looks a bit reverse-engineered to me. Though, if you were really going to make a fake, why not make it prior to the expiry date for medical exemption to the AO. Many mysteries, or many idiots, and clearly a lot of both.
If someone is biased he will look at it this way or that way
not minding can explain a lot in this case
sure no excuse but a possible explanation other than cheating
agree no matter how you turn it, it doesn’t look good
exactly if you want to cheat you should have better done it before the 10th
 
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I've given you a lot in this thread. I'm not sure how to extract "nonsense" as you perceive it, but if you ask me a direct question, I am willing to reiterate it.

“Have you travelled or will you travel in the 14 days prior to your flight to Australia?” is an obvious example of stupidity. Maybe more than that. Maybe my English is bad?
 

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His lawyers argued he was pressured and not treated properly when questioned, so i dont think this could be used against him now
He said it on his traveler declaration, on 1 Jan., not when questioned by ABF. If so, he lied on his paperwork.
 
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I have a link to all the interviews at the airport. Please look at them and find the question about No1e's travel and his answer. I can't find it.
If you can't be bothered, you can't make me do it. See above. It was in his paperwork that he lied.
 
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“Have you travelled or will you travel in the 14 days prior to your flight to Australia?” is an obvious example of stupidity. Maybe more than that. Maybe my English is bad?
No, it's not stupidity, it's a straightforward question. And your English is clearly not that bad. Nor is his. On 1 Jan., he said that no, he wouldn't travel for 14 days prior to traveling to Australia. On 25 Dec., he was in Belgrade. Sometime after that, he was training in Marbella. All of this is on social media. On 5 Jan, he arrived in Melbourne. You do the math.
 

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He said it on his traveler declaration, on 1 Jan., not when questioned by ABF. If so, he lied on his paperwork.

The question was “Have you travelled or will you travel in the 14 days prior to your flight to Australia?”, is it not? That's what you wrote.
Tell me how to respond to this kind of nonsense?
 

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I would say the process is NOT archaic, as it only applies to the covid-times we live in, and the here-and-now. Clearly there has been confusion between the state of Victoria, Tennis Australia, the federal government, and now the courts that represent the government. But you are right to say that Novak has skirted responsibility, and gets away with it because that's what the elites do. It's just that that is a bitter pill to swallow for the man-on-the-street. And he/she/we don't like to have it thrown in our faces. This is a PR nightmare in many ways, not least for Novak. But I don't think the AO has to suffer. And the draws have not been "decimated," you drama queen. I think there is every chance of a really interesting tournament, men's and women's, even if Novak gets the boot, or gets shown the door early. Novak is far from the only story in tennis, and I thought you were a proponent of other players making a mark.

'A bitter pill to swallow for the man-on-the-street' lol, because some tennis player gets to travel to Australia and play tennis? I can think of more bitter pills than that. The US tax (or most) code(s) for one. Or what about US kids getting boosters while the African continent has been denied vaccines because those kids need their booster first (not really of course, as it's a disease that affects the elderly)? People need to get some perspective.
 

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No, it's not stupidity, it's a straightforward question. And your English is clearly not that bad. Nor is his. On 1 Jan., he said that no, he wouldn't travel for 14 days prior to traveling to Australia. On 25 Dec., he was in Belgrade. Sometime after that, he was training in Marbella. All of this is on social media. On 5 Jan, he arrived in Melbourne. You do the math.

Since you already had everything against No1e, do you have a photocopy of this form? I want to let the whole world know which fools work in the Australian immigration department. Of course if what you wrote is true.
 

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If someone is biased he will look at it this way or that way
not minding can explain a lot in this case
sure no excuse but a possible explanation other than cheating
agree no matter how you turn it, it doesn’t look good
exactly if you want to cheat you could have it better done before the 10th
It's true that a biased person could read in. Are you saying that, if he didn't care so much about covid that this might explain his actions? Fine, but it then wouldn't explain why he took the test in the first place, would it? But I do agree that if you were going to cheat, why not make the deadline? Very weird.
 

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If you can't be bothered, you can't make me do it. See above. It was in his paperwork that he lied.
You first wrote that No1e claimed in an interview on the airport that he did not travel 14 days before the flight to Melbourne. After my questioning, I see that you have changed your mind. It is no longer an interview but a form. Of course, you don't have that to prove the truth of your claim either, but there is some idiotic question in your article that is allegedly from some newspapers...
 
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'A bitter pill to swallow for the man-on-the-street' lol, because some tennis player gets to travel to Australia and play tennis? I can think of more bitter pills than that. The US tax (or most) code(s) for one. Or what about US kids getting boosters while the African continent has been denied vaccines because those kids need their booster first (not really of course, as it's a disease that affects the elderly)? People need to get some perspective.
Hey, Denis! Nice to see you around. And massive deflection on your part. You can say that people need to get some perspective, but this is one of those things that DOES give perspective. There is a reason it has become an international story and that it reaches beyond tennis. A lot of regular schlubs in Australia, and the rest of the world have been trying to do the right thing, best we can assess, during this pandemic. Toe the line, curb our normal activities, and try our best for the common good. Get our vaccinations. Then a rich, famous athlete, (and he's not the only one, and it's not only athletes,) says that the rules don't apply to him, and suddenly they don't. Well, people get pissed off, and in this case, a lot of people, and not just in Australia. We don't like to be reminded that the rules are different for rich people. You may not like it that this has become a cause célèbre, but it has, and for a reason. Because it's all too true, and sometimes the rabble rouses over it.
 

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You first wrote that No1e claimed in an interview on the airport that he did not travel 14 days before the flight to Melbourne. After my questioning, I see that you have changed your mind. It is no longer an interview but a form. Of course, you don't have that to prove the truth of your claim either, but there is some idiotic question in your article that is allegedly from some newspapers...
I never said he said that at the airport. I am quoting the Guardian. According to them, he put it on a form. I have also said that I could never be bothered to read that whole document (41 pages) of what he said at the airport, so you can't ever claim I quoted that. Please don't try to misquote me.
 
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It's true that a biased person could read in. Are you saying that, if he didn't care so much about covid that this might explain his actions? Fine, but it then wouldn't explain why he took the test in the first place, would it? But I do agree that if you were going to cheat, why not make the deadline? Very weird.
I wrote it already:
maybe he took the test in first place because it was prerequisite for attending an event

i have to do this frequently for example to enter a restaurant or something, despite being vaccinated or not
 
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Reading about Djokers lies in this case, it might be more difficult to find examples of him telling the truth. This doesn’t surprise me about him, a certain mix of ambition and arrogance can be fatal to a persons moral choices, but I hope he has to face these questions sometime in Australia, if the government are too cowed to follow up. I imagine the media will do the proper searching for truth. I’m also a little amazed at the blatant stupidity of some of the lies, given that he’s such a high profile figure.

As for an alleged fake test result, it wouldn’t surprise me either way, if he faked it, or if it’s fake news to discredit him. Is there any type of blood test he could take to prove it either way? Or are the allegations of a fake result based upon natural suspicions about his moral character?
 
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