Novak Djokovic's Vaccine Stance & Visa Troubles

[BratSrbin]

If Novak lied to immigration about not traveling for 14 days prior to departure to Australia, he could be in real trouble. If that happened, or he was asked that. But given all the holes in his immigration papers, I still find it shocking that the judge let him in on procedural grounds.

Ha ha ha...

 

[BratSrbin]

Many people are questioning that the medical positive test is a Fake,dont think our Federal Minister Hawke is not investigating this right now.This has been all over our national news and from reporters down at the AO. today.

Maybe No1e is a woman? And that needs to be examined.

 

[Moxie]

Ha ha ha...

Does this mean you are running out of arguments?

 

[Moxie]

Maybe No1e is a woman? And that needs to be examined.

Oh, clearly you are running out of arguments.

 

[MargaretMcAleer]

I would not laugh this off quite frankly,this is serious stuff if found to be correct.

 

[Numbers]

Ben Rothenberg's complaint is that in the next days after testing positive, Novak attended several events, unmasked and not distanced, including one with kids, and a photoshoot for L'Equipe. All of which he provides dated and photographic evidence for. (You can see it on his Twitter feed.) Which begs the question: if Novak wasn't in competition, was asymptomatic, and wasn't taking the test to tell him whether or not he was safe to participate in these events and potentially expose other people, (which obviously he had no regard for, since he DID test positive, and observed no protocols afterward, not even to mask or distance himself, much less cancel them,) then why did he take the test? Couldn't have been that he was running out of options for the AO, right?

could all be truth
maybe the test was a prerequisite for being able to participate in an event, still not clear when he found out about the result and thirdly whether he is interested at all
maybe he already gave up playing at the ao and things turned around for him after this result
we don’t know any of that

again we don’t know, but at least he could portray it that way

there is simply no proof for fake test

 

[10isfan]

I doubt the test result could be confirmed or denied. Serbians would go above and beyond to protect Djoke. The 14 day travel question is what will trip him up. Another open and shut case, although the obviousness of facts confused Judge Kelly. Let’s hope Hawke isn’t as obtuse. Not sure that’s even possible.

 

[BratSrbin]

Oh, clearly you are running out of arguments.

That's right. I have no answers to nonsense.

 

[Moxie]

could all be truth
maybe the test was a prerequisite for being able to participate in an event, still not clear when he found out about the result and thirdly whether he is interested at all
maybe he already gave up playing at the ao and things turned around for him after this result
we don’t know any of that

again we don’t know, but at least he could portray it that way

there is simply no proof for fake test

Surely no proof for fake test, but it is beginning to smell like day-old fish. If the test was prerequisite for participating in any of those events, he didn't pass it, and should have passed on the event, never minding what else he should have done to avoid infecting others. If he took a test, he should have been at least curious how it came out within 24 hours. Ignorance of it is no excuse. And even if he believes that infection might cause no more symptoms than a mild flu, why should he risk that others get sick? Even mildly? No matter how you slice it, the taking of the test and the ignoring of the results doesn't really add up. Which is why it looks a bit reverse-engineered to me. Though, if you were really going to make a fake, why not make it prior to the expiry date for medical exemption to the AO. Many mysteries, or many idiots, and clearly a lot of both.

 

[Fiero425]

I doubt the test result could be confirmed or denied. Serbians would go above and beyond to protect Djoke. The 14 day travel question is what will trip him up. Another open and shut case, although the obviousness of facts confused Judge Kelly. Let’s hope Hawke isn’t as obtuse. Not sure that’s even possible.

The process was archaic and unprofessional which is why Novak's walking around free as we speak! It might have been nice for him to follow along with the rest of us and "take his medicine," but there have been some other top athletes out there who've skipped "the poke!" Novak's skirting any responsibilty of his own, but that's why they do what they do! The elites are treated differently! The rules don't alway apply! It could have been done quietly, but "they blew it" trying to make an example of him! Now it's backfired and there's a possibilty this could have lasting affects on the tournament's future! A ton of top players have already bowed out; a few uncertain due to injury! The draws are already becoming decimated! Do they really want to "boot" Novak with that heavy contingent of Serbian fans? I mean it might get real ugly down there!

 

[Moxie]

That's right. I have no answers to nonsense.

Confronted with evidence, you choose to turn your head. These are not nonsensical arguments. You and your champion have a lot in common. You are not being slammed with fandom and hatred, but facts on the ground, which you are welcome to debate. Once you ran out of gas calling people "haters," it seems you haven't got a good counter-argument on Djokovic's behalf. If there were one, I'm sure you'd present it.

 

[BratSrbin]

Confronted with evidence, you choose to turn your head. These are not nonsensical arguments. You and your champion have a lot in common. You are not being slammed with fandom and hatred, but facts on the ground, which you are welcome to debate. Once you ran out of gas calling people "haters," it seems you haven't got a good counter-argument on Djokovic's behalf. If there were one, I'm sure you'd present it.

What evidence? Take them out. But if you can do without nonsense, please.

 

[the AntiPusher]

Uh, oh, here's a wrinkle. Djokovic has stated he did not travel for 14 days before flying to Australia, but this is not supported by social media, according to The Guardian, and everyone who participates on this website. He was in Belgrade on Christmas day. He went to Marbella to train after that, which we were allow following here. He flew from Spain via Dubai to Melbourne on 5 Jan. No matter how much some of us can never figure out what day it is in Melbourne, (@the AntiPusher LOL,) that
is not 14 days. Did Novak lie to the ABF? That might not be good.

So you are saying that they have caught this drama clown lying about his traveling pre Australia arrival?

 

[Moxie]

Yep in trouble big time

I doubt the test result could be confirmed or denied. Serbians would go above and beyond to protect Djoke. The 14 day travel question is what will trip him up. Another open and shut case, although the obviousness of facts confused Judge Kelly. Let’s hope Hawke isn’t as obtuse. Not sure that’s even possible.

This from the Guardian, as linked above:

"In his Australian traveller declaration, filed on 1 January, Djokovic declared “no” when asked: “Have you travelled or will you travel in the 14 days prior to your flight to Australia?”

The declaration is accompanied with a warning that giving false or misleading information is a “serious offence”, also punishable by civil penalties.

In documents filed to the federal circuit court, Djokovic said that on 1 January he authorised his agent to submit this declaration, before travelling to Melbourne from Spain via Dubai on 4 January.

In his interview with border force officials on 6 January, Djokovic confirmed the declaration was completed by his agent, “based on” his Tennis Australia-approved medical exemption, but was not asked in the interview about travel in the fortnight before arrival.

A Twitter post by a Portuguese tennis reporter, Jose Morgado, appears to show Djokovic was in Belgrade at Christmas, posing with the handball star Petar Djordjic."

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The timeline doesn't work for the declaration that he made on his immigration papers.

 

[Moxie]

So you are saying that they have caught this drama clown lying about his traveling pre Australia arrival?

Yes. See above,

 

[Moxie]

What evidence? Take them out. But if you can do without nonsense, please.

I've given you a lot in this thread. I'm not sure how to extract "nonsense" as you perceive it, but if you ask me a direct question, I am willing to reiterate it.

 

[Numbers]

It comes down to A Zverev to right this wrong in a small way by winning the AO. I think the court is too slow for Medvedev.

Thx for finally some tennis talk lol

it will be an interesting tournament with hopefully a lot of good tennis and surely also drama on and off court

if the courts really that slow it will be a disadvantage for both strong server AZ and DM, they depend more on the serve than Novak
I would still say Daniils chances are greater, he seems to be the smarter guy, biggest ? for him is his fitness, he was cramping in the 3 set of the F at the USO although not having hard matches in his previous rounds

I’m really looking forward to the draw

 

[MargaretMcAleer]

Yes. See above,

BTW this is on of the facts that the Government and Immigration Minister is also looking at the time line on which he declared on his immigration papers.

 

[MargaretMcAleer]

I am glad to see AP has not asked me what day it is in Australia

 

[Numbers]

This from the Guardian, as linked above:

"In his Australian traveller declaration, filed on 1 January, Djokovic declared “no” when asked: “Have you travelled or will you travel in the 14 days prior to your flight to Australia?”

The declaration is accompanied with a warning that giving false or misleading information is a “serious offence”, also punishable by civil penalties.

In documents filed to the federal circuit court, Djokovic said that on 1 January he authorised his agent to submit this declaration, before travelling to Melbourne from Spain via Dubai on 4 January.

In his interview with border force officials on 6 January, Djokovic confirmed the declaration was completed by his agent, “based on” his Tennis Australia-approved medical exemption, but was not asked in the interview about travel in the fortnight before arrival.

A Twitter post by a Portuguese tennis reporter, Jose Morgado, appears to show Djokovic was in Belgrade at Christmas, posing with the handball star Petar Djordjic."

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The timeline doesn't work for the declaration that he made on his immigration papers.

His lawyers argued he was pressured and not treated properly when questioned, so i dont think this could be used against him now