Novak Djokovic's Vaccine Stance & Visa Troubles

[MargaretMcAleer]

Good to see you Imjimmy please dont be a stranger.

Sundaymorning Man I love your new photo.

 

[BratSrbin]

Just some updated news from Alex Hawke.

He is still considering all the ongoing facts in the Novak's case.

He cannot consider all the facts of the No1es case. All possibilities have been lost, there are only two possibilities left. I stated that in one of the previous attachments. In case he still wants to prevent No1e from competing.

 

[MargaretMcAleer]

He cannot consider all the facts of the No1es case. All possibilities have been lost, there are only two possibilities left. I stated that in one of the previous attachments. In case he still wants to prevent No1e from competing.

I would not count your chickens ,regarding all possibilities,Alex Hawke has a degree in International Law for starters.Lets see how this pans out.The government has already informed Judge Kelly,Chris Tran,that they will be considering their options after the court case,which is their right to appeal.

 

[Moxie]

First, is that document this:

View attachment 5781
What is false here?

Maybe something else is a forgery? Let's take another look.

Tell me, is this the document that No1e attached as proof that he was infected in December? Is this a document by which Ben Rothenberg builds his "tower of cards"?
Well, now, someone (antiNo1e fan, anyway) here asked that No1e be in prison for 15 years. May I ask all of you, which Australian law No1e violated and with what, in order to deserve this draconian punishment?

Ben Rothenberg's complaint is that in the next days after testing positive, Novak attended several events, unmasked and not distanced, including one with kids, and a photoshoot for L'Equipe. All of which he provides dated and photographic evidence for. (You can see it on his Twitter feed.) Which begs the question: if Novak wasn't in competition, was asymptomatic, and wasn't taking the test to tell him whether or not he was safe to participate in these events and potentially expose other people, (which obviously he had no regard for, since he DID test positive, and observed no protocols afterward, not even to mask or distance himself, much less cancel them,) then why did he take the test? Couldn't have been that he was running out of options for the AO, right?

 

[BratSrbin]

I would not count your chickens ,regarding all possibilities,Alex Hawke has a degree in International Law for starters.Lets see how this pans out.The government has already informed Judge Kelly,Chris Tran,that they will be considering their options after the court case,which is their right to appeal.

"According to Australian journalist Paul Karp, the immigration minister has the right under section 133C(3) of the Migration Act to cancel Djokovic's visa again. If it happens, Djokovic would face deportation again and miss the Australian Open even if he appeals against such cancellation as the tournament organizers had said they would not wait beyond January 11 to confirm the Serb's availability to feature in the Grand Slam tournament.
Djokovic could also be barred from entering Australia for 3 years if his visa is canceled again.
However, confirming that such a step, if taken, would bar Djokovic from the country for three years, judge Kelly warned the government lawyers that "the stakes have now risen, rather than receded."
Under the said section of the immigration act, the minister, Alex Hawke should be satisfied that a ground exists to cancel the visa -- in this case the purported threat to public health because he is unvaccinated and the visa-holder “does not satisfy the minister that the ground does not exist” and that it would be in the public interest to cancel the visa."

 

[BratSrbin]

Ben Rothenberg's complaint is that in the next days after testing positive, Novak attended several events, unmasked and not distanced, including one with kids, and a photoshoot for L'Equipe. All of which he provides dated and photographic evidence for. (You can see it on his Twitter feed.) Which begs the question: if Novak wasn't in competition, was asymptomatic, and wasn't taking the test to tell him whether or not he was safe to participate in these events and potentially expose other people, (which obviously he had no regard for, since he DID test positive, and observed no protocols afterward, not even to mask or distance himself, much less cancel them,) then why did he take the test? Couldn't have been that he was running out of options for the AO, right?

If what you say is true (although I doubt it), none of it is in the Australian jurisdiction, but in the Serbian.

 

[Moxie]

Uh, oh, here's a wrinkle. Djokovic has stated he did not travel for 14 days before flying to Australia, but this is not supported by social media, according to The Guardian, and everyone who participates on this website. He was in Belgrade on Christmas day. He went to Marbella to train after that, which we were allow following here. He flew from Spain via Dubai to Melbourne on 5 Jan. No matter how much some of us can never figure out what day it is in Melbourne, (@the AntiPusher LOL,) that is not 14 days. Did Novak lie to the ABF? That might not be good.

 

[MargaretMcAleer]

"According to Australian journalist Paul Karp, the immigration minister has the right under section 133C(3) of the Migration Act to cancel Djokovic's visa again. If it happens, Djokovic would face deportation again and miss the Australian Open even if he appeals against such cancellation as the tournament organizers had said they would not wait beyond January 11 to confirm the Serb's availability to feature in the Grand Slam tournament.
Djokovic could also be barred from entering Australia for 3 years if his visa is canceled again.
However, confirming that such a step, if taken, would bar Djokovic from the country for three years, judge Kelly warned the government lawyers that "the stakes have now risen, rather than receded."
Under the said section of the immigration act, the minister, Alex Hawke should be satisfied that a ground exists to cancel the visa -- in this case the purported threat to public health because he is unvaccinated and the visa-holder “does not satisfy the minister that the ground does not exist” and that it would be in the public interest to cancel the visa."

That is up to Alex Hawke to decide his options.

 

[Moxie]

If what you say is true (although I doubt it), none of it is in the Australian jurisdiction, but in the Serbian.

But you were asking about Rothensberg's complaint, and I just laid it out. We're not talking the court of law here, just the court of public opinion. You can doubt if it's true, if you like, but there is dated photographic evidence via social media. Novak went to several events in the 2-3 days following his positive test, with no masking, distancing, or in any way seeming concern that he was transmissible for covid. So, did he not care? Or did he not really have it? Because please don't try to convince me that someone forgot to tell him that he had tested positive.

 

[BratSrbin]

If, and i stress IF, it is shown he falsified his covid positive test to gain entry he faces a maximum 15 year prison sentence plus almost certain expulsion form the ATP tour. I am not accusing him of anything but Pam Shriver on twitter has been very forthright and that is surprising given the libel risk if she is wrong.

Open hunt for No1es bugs.

Some "found" something, others some other mistake, the third a third ... Please agree on where and what is wrong or falsified in all this to deserve a rigorous punishment.

 

[BratSrbin]

That is up to Alex Hawke to decide his options.

Yes, you are right, he decides but his options are now very limited, as you can see.

 

[MargaretMcAleer]

But you were asking about Rothensberg's complaint, and I just laid it out. We're not talking the court of law here, just the court of public opinion. You can doubt if it's true, if you like, but there is dated photographic evidence via social media. Novak went to several events in the 2-3 days following his positive test, with no masking, distancing, or in any way seeming concern that he was transmissible for covid. So, did he not care? Or did he not really have it? Because please don't try to convince me that someone forgot to tell him that he had tested positive.

Moxie as have read the Serbian Health orders
If testing positive to COVID you have to isolate for 14 days? as you stated Novak was seen out and about 2 days after testing positive?
or is he above all these health conditions in Serbia?

 

[MargaretMcAleer]

Yes, you are right, he decides but his options are now very limited, as you can see.

No they are not under Federal Law he cannot come into the country unvaccinated and having COVID within six months does not quality him.regardless if TA and the Victorian Health department Stuffed Up and did not heed the advice in November 2021 of our Federal Health Minister.when he wrote to them twice.
Anyway we shall see if and how Alex Hawke responds ....nothing more to said.
News just in a decision will be made tomorrow

 

[BratSrbin]

No they are not under Federal Law he cannot come into the country unvaccinated and having COVID within six months does not quality him.regardless if TA and the Victorian Health department Stuffed Up and did not heed the advice in November 2021 of our Federal Health Minister.

The case was in court and the Australian government lost the case. They had the opportunity to examine No1e on that issue for a maximum of 4 hours after the verdict was pronounced. That right was not used and was (is) lost. Bye, bye.

 

[Moxie]

Moxie as have read the Serbian Health orders
If testing positive to COVID you have to isolate for 14 days? as you stated Novak was seen out and about 2 days after testing positive?
or is he above all these health conditions in Serbia?

As is rightly pointed out by @BratSrbin, this doesn't really matter to the case at hand. That would be a matter for Serbia. I think the germane questions over his being out-and-about after testing positive are: a) does he really have such disregard for the dangers of covid that he would go out unmasked after a positive test? and b) if he wasn't in competition and was asymptomatic, and didn't care for covid protocols, then why would he have tested, in the first place, on 16 Dec? I think he was running out of options to give the AO for medical exemption, and PS, I think that medical positive test is a fake. There, I said it.

 

[10isfan]

If Hawke has a brain, he’d ask Djoke to leave Australia quietly and there will be no jail time for lying on the immigration form. If Djoke has any common sense, he would “escape” to Europe under cover of night.

This is all proving to be stranger than fiction (and highly entertaining, certainly more fun than watching Djoke play tennis).

 

[MargaretMcAleer]

The case was in court and the Australian government lost the case. They had the opportunity to examine No1e on that issue for a maximum of 4 hours after the verdict was pronounced. That right was not used and was lost. Bye, bye.

Dont be soo fast to dismiss...it is the governments right to appeal....Bye for Now!

 

[MargaretMcAleer]

As is rightly pointed out by @BratSrbin, this doesn't really matter to the case at hand. That would be a matter for Serbia. I think the germane questions over his being out-and-about after testing positive are: a) does he really have such disregard for the dangers of covid that he would go out unmasked after a positive test? and b) if he wasn't in competition and was asymptomatic, and didn't care for covid protocols, then why would he have tested, in the first place, on 16 Dec? I think he was running out of options to give the AO for medical exemption, and PS, I think that medical positive test is a fake. There, I said it.

Many people are questioning that the medical positive test is a Fake,dont think our Federal Minister Hawke is not investigating this right now.This has been all over our national news and from reporters down at the AO. today.

 

[Moxie]

If Hawke has a brain, he’d ask Djoke to leave Australia quietly and there will be no jail time for lying on the immigration form. If Djoke has any common sense, he would “escape” to Europe under cover of night.

This is all proving to be stranger than fiction (and highly entertaining), certainly more fun than watching Djoke play tennis.

If Novak lied to immigration about not traveling for 14 days prior to departure to Australia, he could be in real trouble. If that happened, or he was asked that. But given all the holes in his immigration papers, I still find it shocking that the judge let him in on procedural grounds.

 

[MargaretMcAleer]

If Novak lied to immigration about not traveling for 14 days prior to departure to Australia, he could be in real trouble. If that happened.

Yep in trouble big time