Novak Djokovic's Vaccine Stance & Visa Troubles

[BratSrbin]

His fault, at the very least, is the PR disaster of thumbing his nose at Australia's regulations and requirements.

Another anti No1e fan.

After the first sentence, I stopped reading because I see that you want to be the judge of the judge who judged No1e.

 

[Moxie]

Another anti No1e fan.

After the first sentence, I stopped reading because I see that you want to be the judge of the judge who judged No1e.

If you choose not to read it, that is your choice, but don't say I am anti-Nole if you won't read it. And if you stopped reading after the first sentence, how do you know I said anything about the judge?

 

[Moxie]

It comes down to A Zverev to right this wrong in a small way by winning the AO. I think the court is too slow for Medvedev.

That seems like limited options. I think a) the crowd can take him down, b) a positive COVID test can take him out, (no, I don't believe the one he submitted,) c) Medvedev is a threat, as he was in last year's final, and just won the USO, and d) I still think Rafa is in with a chance. (I'm a fan, and I'm not giving up.)

 

[BratSrbin]

If you choose not to read it, that is your choice, but don't say I am anti-Nole if you won't read it. And if you stopped reading after the first sentence, how do you know I said anything about the judge?

Why do you think I gave up reading, antiNo1e fan? And why do I think you are what you are?

 

[the AntiPusher]

That's OK Kieran. I think that's the first time in the history of this board (10 years?) that someone wanted to block me. LOL!

You mean all these years I could have block you(Kskate2) and Moxie jajaja .. Man.. Knowledge is a powerful thing!

 

[10isfan]

The final is played at night. Medvedev would play Djoke worse than AZ. I also suspect the positive test result is fake.

 

[BratSrbin]

The final is played at night. Medvedev would play Djoke worse than AZ. I also suspect the positive test result is fake.

It is strange that people think that their doubts are very important for this world and its existence.

 

[MikeOne]

Question. Nadal and kyrgios were vaccinated yet got covid. Why are vaccinated players allowed to enter country?
In United states, 200 million are vaccinated yet there are more cases of covid now than when 0 were vaccinated. What do facts show? Being vaccinated does not stop the spread. Vaccines do, however, help people not to get severly ill, this is why i’m vaccinated but this means djokovic is taking a risk of he getting sicker, he’s not more of a danger to others than vaccinated players are.

also, if he did get covid as he says, then he probably is as immune as vaccinated players

 

[Moxie]

Why do you think I gave up reading, antiNo1e fan? And why do I think you are what you are?

You didn't give up reading, because you commented on something I said further down in my comment. And the rest of your comment above is basically a kindergarten response. You are the type of Djokovic fan who is all about either he is 100% right, or we are against him. That is a classic, thin-skinned Novak fan response. Including staying away from these forums until you have something to cheer about. My comments were about the nuances of this situation, legal and political. If that's more than you can deal with, don't put that on me. Do I like what Novak has become? No, I don't. IMO, he's an entitled tennis star who lives in a bubble, surrounded by "yes-men" and believes that all of his own philosophies, theories and pseudo-science are sufficient for him to buck the system, not realizing that it's really his position in life that gives him a pass, though he counts and trades on that, too. And the Australian legal court just backed him up. Which is not "anti-Nole," it's anti-unfair treatment. Djokovic just proved (once again) to the world that the playing field is not level. That if you have money and power you get away with stuff that other people don't. This is what I am objecting to.

 

[MikeOne]

You didn't give up reading, because you commented on something I said further down in my comment. And the rest of your comment above is basically a kindergarten response. You are the type of Djokovic fan who is all about either he is 100% right, or we are against him. That is a classic, thin-skinned Novak fan response. Including staying away from these forums until you have something to cheer about. My comments were about the nuances of this situation, legal and political. If that's more than you can deal with, don't put that on me. Do I like what Novak has become? No, I don't. IMO, he's an entitled tennis star who lives in a bubble, surrounded by "yes-men" and believes that all of his own philosophies, theories and pseudo-science are sufficient for him to buck the system, not realizing that it's really his position in life that gives him a pass, though he counts and trades on that, too. And the Australian legal court just backed him up. Which is not "anti-Nole," it's anti-unfair treatment. Djokovic just proved (once again) to the world that the playing field is not level. That if you have money and power you get away with stuff that other people don't. This is what I am objecting to.

A lot of rant from a hater…

who are u to think you own this forum? You don’t get to act as if you have higher ground just because you post here more often

you can hate all you want but even you must separate djokovic’s philosophy of life (which seems to have worked better for him than 99% of the population given his successes and ability to focus in his craft) from facts of this case.

djokovic’s beliefs are totally irrelevant here, people are making this about his beliefs. This is about something simpler, due process. Australia granted him the medical exemption after tennis australia worked with victorian government and a medical review was performed. Djokovic didn’t break any rules, he followed them and was victom of incompetent and political brhaviour by australia. All they had to do is not grant him the exemption, that simple. Instead, they granted him the exemption, he follows the rules, flies 15 hours in, then denied and detained. Worse, it seems he provided all necessary documentation and even the judge stated these facts agitated him as he reviewed the case. The judge rightly gave djokovic the win.

djokovic’s beliefs are totally irrelevent, he can believe what he wants. Here. Australia f’d up and were incompetent. If they would’ve told djokovic early on he couldn’t enter, djokobic would’ve been able to make an informed decision. They messed up and i believe made it political, the PM took to they airwaves to denounce djokovic and vow to deport him, yet it was his own country’s system which granted the exemption. There are deep divisions in australia and some tried to use djokovic to score points.

Incidently, why are vaccinated players allowed to play? Nadal and kyrgios recently contracted covid, despite having been vaccinated but that’s a separate point i want to make.

 

[GOATDAL]

Luckily, you and Pam have absolutely no power to judge No1e.

Well best you see Ben Rottenberg latest tweet as if true Djokovic's career is over.

 

[GOATDAL]

Personally wouldn't put a lot of stock in anything Shriver says. I would definitely need to see it from a few other credible sources.

Rottenberg has just posted a screenshot that appears to show Djokovic lied on his application form. If that is accurate Djokovic is going to prison.

 

[Moxie]

Question. Nadal and kyrgios were vaccinated yet got covid. Why are vaccinated players allowed to enter country?
In United states, 200 million are vaccinated yet there are more cases of covid now than when 0 were vaccinated. What do facts show? Being vaccinated does not stop the spread. Vaccines do, however, help people not to get severly ill, this is why i’m vaccinated but this means djokovic is taking a risk of he getting sicker, he’s not more of a danger to others than vaccinated players are.

also, if he did get covid as he says, then he probably is as immune as vaccinated players

HI, Mike,

This will likely get moved to the Covid vaccine thread. As you say, vaccines do help people from getting more seriously ill. As to the AO, that was their requirement...vaccination. You have to draw the line somewhere, right? Australia is an island nation, and they have fought hard to keep their people safe, whatever one thinks of their choices. And I don't think it's clear that Djokovic, as unvaccinated, poses the same risk of contagion to others. He could pose a larger risk, especially if that test was a fake. The US is a vastly different case, as we have porous state-to-state borders, and widely differing opinions on vaccination, and people move easily around the country. Different country, different rules, different results.

 

[GOATDAL]

Rottenberg is correct and Djokovic lied on his application form about not travelling to Spain he is in a world of sh*t.

 

[BratSrbin]

You are the type of Djokovic fan who is all about either he is 100% right, or we are against him. That is a classic, thin-skinned Novak fan response. Including staying away from these forums until you have something to cheer about.

Almost a professional analysis of my personality. I am amazed and honored.

 

[BratSrbin]

You didn't give up reading, because you commented on something I said further down in my comment.

Your words are truer than the facts.

I haven't read your post. Neither will I. You have the right to think what you want and to express various nebulae.

Do I like what Novak has become? No, I don't. IMO, he's an entitled tennis star who lives in a bubble, surrounded by "yes-men" and believes that all of his own philosophies, theories and pseudo-science are sufficient for him to buck the system, not realizing that it's really his position in life that gives him a pass, though he counts and trades on that, too. And the Australian legal court just backed him up. Which is not "anti-Nole," it's anti-unfair treatment.

I don't need to add anything to make it clear to this forum why and how much you are an antiNo1e fan.

 

[Moxie]

A lot of rant from a hater…

who are u to think you own this forum? You don’t get to act as if you have higher ground just because you post here more often

you can hate all you want but even you must separate djokovic’s philosophy of life (which seems to have worked better for him than 99% of the population given his successes and ability to focus in his craft) from facts of this case.

djokovic’s beliefs are totally irrelevant here, people are making this about his beliefs. This is about something simpler, due process. Australia granted him the medical exemption after tennis australia worked with victorian government and a medical review was performed. Djokovic didn’t break any rules, he followed them and was victom of incompetent and political brhaviour by australia. All they had to do is not grant him the exemption, that simple. Instead, they granted him the exemption, he follows the rules, flies 15 hours in, then denied and detained. Worse, it seems he provided all necessary documentation and even the judge stated these facts agitated him as he reviewed the case. The judge rightly gave djokovic the win.

djokovic’s beliefs are totally irrelevent, he can believe what he wants. Here. Australia f’d up and were incompetent. If they would’ve told djokovic early on he couldn’t enter, djokobic would’ve been able to make an informed decision. They messed up and i believe made it political, the PM took to they airwaves to denounce djokovic and vow to deport him, yet it was his own country’s system which granted the exemption. There are deep divisions in australia and some tried to use djokovic to score points.

Incidently, why are vaccinated players allowed to play? Nadal and kyrgios recently contracted covid, despite having been vaccinated but that’s a separate point i want to make.

I don't think it was a rant, I think it was my opinion. And I don't think it carries more weight because I post here often, only that it is my opinion. You get to post your opinion, too, as you have. You don't have to agree with me.

 

[BratSrbin]

Djokovic just proved (once again) to the world that the playing field is not level. That if you have money and power you get away with stuff that other people don't. This is what I am objecting to.

I'm sorry that your greatness can't be treated in this world as much as No1e. He is still the best athlete in the world, the best tennis player of all time...

 

[Moxie]

Your words are truer than the facts.

That's an interesting thought.

I don't need to add anything to make it clear to this forum why and how much you are an antiNo1e fan.

I think I've made my own case on that.

 

[Moxie]

He is still the best athlete in the world, the best tennis player of all time...

Both of those statements are up for debate.

But you ignore what I said about privilege. What just happened in Australia proves that money and status buy you entry. Unknown Czech player and anonymous official out, even though they claimed same grounds. Did he get into Australia because he was right with his paperwork? No, he got in on a procedural cock-up by ABF, according to the judge. If you have $50K to pay a lawyer, things might just to your way, too. You absolutely ignore what I say about the perception of unfair treatment, and just keep calling me a Nole-hater. If you were honest, you'd at least address the fact that the optics are terrible. But sure, just call me a "hater" and keep it easy and clear for yourself.