Novak Djokovic's Vaccine Stance & Visa Troubles

[Fiero425]

Brother @Fiero425 is a favourite poster of mine but he has a blind spot that makes him forget that not only is clay a slam surface and so titles there count the same as slams won off clay, but it’s actually the hardest surface to win on, and yet Rafa does it routinely every year. His 14 FOs stand with Rogers’ 5 in a row Wimbos & USOs, and Novaks “Nole Slam” as the three imperial crowns in this era - so it’s really unfair and impossible to separate them in greatness…

The FO is on par with all the other majors, but it's not really thought of much if you look at the history of tennis competition! Borg won 6 and it was a marvelous accomplishment at the time, but most people bring up his Wimbledon efforts and frustration of not winning "what I consider" the hardest slam to win in the USO! Lendl went thru the same fruitless efforts, making 8 straight finals, but only winning 3 USO's! It happens! Luck or a lack thereof comes into play! Like I said, Medvedev is nowhere near the greatest player, but at this moment, he's giving Djokovic trouble and he put an end to his hopes of a CYGS last year!

 

[Nadalfan2013]

The FO is on par with all the other majors, but it's not really thought of much if you look at the history of tennis competition! Borg won 6 and it was a marvelous accomplishment at the time, but most people bring up his Wimbledon efforts and frustration of not winning "what I consider" the hardest slam to win in the USO! Lendl went thru the same fruitless efforts, making 8 straight finals, but only winning 3 USO's! It happens! Luck or a lack thereof comes into play! Like I said, Medvedev is nowhere near the greatest player, but at this moment, he's giving Djokovic trouble and he put an end to his hopes of a CYGS last year!

Are you really going to go that route? Are you actually saying that the FO is not really thought of much if you look at the "history of tennis"? How about the AUSTRALIAN OPEN that was completely irrelevant for most of tennis history and that players used to skip left and right until maybe the 90's. Or is it because Djokovic is good there that you all of a sudden become conveniently clueless? You are such a blind noletard, I really hope you get to meet him one day and finally can hug him, kiss him and do other stuff to him. In terms of the history of tennis the AO is BY FAR the least prestigious one, like not even close. Stop being a fool.

 

[Moxie]

The "long in the tooth" argument can't be taken seriously for Nadal who's only a year older than Novak! Come on! Why do that? If Fed wants to use his age as an excuse, that's up to him, not me who thinks if he's out there on court, he's ready to compete and win! He did beat Nadal 5-6 times in a row a few years ago! No one talked about his age or the possibility of some kind of PE help! "Must be the racket!"

That argument CAN actually be taken seriously, as Nadal has for most of his career racked up enough matches to be more than a year older than Novak in "tennis years." Sure, he and Roger both have played to late career, but it's fair to say when their best days were. And they were mostly before Novak discovered his 2.0. No one, including Nadal, expected him to be playing post-30. He plays on gimpy knees and a bad foot. So, by argument, he wins on pure talent and grit, post-30. I know you find grit "unseemly," but most people find it inspiring. In any case, you can't deny the talent. He still beats most players with one leg tied behind his back.

 

[Moxie]

The FO is on par with all the other majors, but it's not really thought of much if you look at the history of tennis competition!

I have to agree with @Nadalfan2013 in terms of dismissing RG compared to the AO. In the history of tennis, it is a classic, whereas the AO was so dismissed for so many years that most players didn't even bother to make the trek. No wonder Margaret Court won it so many times.

Borg won 6 and it was a marvelous accomplishment at the time, but most people bring up his Wimbledon efforts and frustration of not winning "what I consider" the hardest slam to win in the USO! Lendl went thru the same fruitless efforts, making 8 straight finals, but only winning 3 USO's! It happens! Luck or a lack thereof comes into play! Like I said, Medvedev is nowhere near the greatest player, but at this moment, he's giving Djokovic trouble and he put an end to his hopes of a CYGS last year!

Funny, you make our argument as to the USO. You think it's the hardest slam to win. (It's not really, as RG is, but it's the 2nd hardest, due to placement in the calendar.) But, by that argument, of very hard to win, Rafa has won it 4 times, and Novak only 3, even though he is the HC specialist. Hard to explain, really.

 

[Fiero425]

That argument CAN actually be taken seriously, as Nadal has for most of his career racked up enough matches to be more than a year older than Novak in "tennis years." Sure, he and Roger both have played to late career, but it's fair to say when their best days were. And they were mostly before Novak discovered his 2.0. No one, including Nadal, expected him to be playing post-30. He plays on gimpy knees and a bad foot. So, by argument, he wins on pure talent and grit, post-30. I know you find grit "unseemly," but most people find it inspiring. In any case, you can't deny the talent. He still beats most players with one leg tied behind his back.

The same could be said about Novak, yr. in / yr. out making SF & Finals in every tournament he played! That has to take something out of him!

 

[Moxie]

The same could be said about Novak, yr. in / yr. out making SF & Finals in every tournament he played! That has to take something out of him!

No one says he's hasn't been amazing, but it did come after the best of the Fedal era. It made it a bit easier.

 

[Fiero425]

No one says he's hasn't been amazing, but it did come after the best of the Fedal era. It made it a bit easier.

So you're doing the pandering to Fedal & fans by undermining Novak's achievements! You're saying he had no competition out there during his decade long reign! I thought all 3 are inextricably linked, but so many love using that trope of Fedal was done while still winning majors in that same truncated decade of excellence from NDj! So you're in essense saying to the world, "if not for Novak, Fedal would continue trading #1 ranking between them!" BTW that's what actually happened when Novak was in the weeds from 2017-early '18! You've elevated Novak! I'm being stubborn since I grew up with #'s ruling sports! For some reason "passions run high" with this tennis argument! Because Federer made it look effortless, many think he's the Ultimate GOAT! IMO it's a more irrational with Nadal who's excelled on one surface! Then there's Novak with most of the numbers in his favor and only popularity seems to keep him from being anointed the Ult. GOAT!

 

[Kieran]

I don't know if we can agree that they would be of sufficient quantity to suppress,

There’d be no need to suppress them if there was virtually nobody reporting negative side effects. In fact, if the numbers were so low, they’d make news headlines about that, because it would be a USP for the vaccines.

There are books written and documentaries on the OxyContin scandal. The Sachler family has been hugely under the microscope for that, but looks like they'll escape relatively unscathed. But it's beyond unforgivable. They, via Perdue Pharma, willfully created an opioid epidemic in this country, and many are still dying from it. Rural towns decimated. And I think it lead to the fentanyl crisis, which is killing even more.

This is a perfect example why we should be careful about big pharma and only take medication in acute situations, when our natural resources can’t cope. It’s tragic and I expect it’s helping a lot of people to realise that they’re too reliant on big pharma solutions to their body’s every ailment…

 

[TheSicilian]

So you're doing the pandering to Fedal & fans by undermining Novak's achievements! You're saying he had no competition out there during his decade long reign! I thought all 3 are inextricably linked, but so many love using that trope of Fedal was done while still winning majors in that same truncated decade of excellence from NDj! So you're in essense saying to the world, "if not for Novak, Fedal would continue trading #1 ranking between them!" BTW that's what actually happened when Novak was in the weeds from 2017-early '18! You've elevated Novak! I'm being stubborn since I grew up with #'s ruling sports! For some reason "passions run high" with this tennis argument! Because Federer made it look effortless, many think he's the Ultimate GOAT! IMO it's a more irrational with Nadal who's excelled on one surface! Then there's Novak with most of the numbers in his favor and only popularity seems to keep him from being anointed the Ult. GOAT!

Novax should be miles ahead of Rafa in the slam race because he has gets to play 2 slams a year on his favourite service. Imagine Rafa's numbers if they played 2 slams a year on Clay! He would be close to 30 slams on Clay alone. Rafa has 2 more Clay slams then Novak has AO & USO combined

 

[Kieran]

Novax should be miles ahead of Rafa in the slam race because he has gets to play 2 slams a year on his favourite service. Imagine Rafa's numbers if they played 2 slams a year on Clay! He would be close to 30 slams on Clay alone. Rafa has 2 more Clay slams then Novak has AO & USO combined

He even leads Novak in the H2H on one of the two HC slams. The one where Rafa has been most affected by absence through injury (but has still won more times than Novak)…

 

[TheSicilian]

There’d be no need to suppress them if there was virtually nobody reporting negative side effects. In fact, if the numbers were so low, they’d make news headlines about that, because it would be a USP for the vaccines.


This is a perfect example why we should be careful about big pharma and only take medication in acute situations, when our natural resources can’t cope. It’s tragic and I expect it’s helping a lot of people to realise that they’re too reliant on big pharma solutions to their body’s every ailment…

I think it depends what the medical problem is. Certain drugs are over prescribed and have been for a long time, if you see documentaries people sent home from hospital after surgery with painkillers and 10 years later they are still on the drugs Why in this situation does the Dr keep prescribing the drugs

Nowadays Doctors want to prescribe things like meditation, mindfulness, gentle exercise, healthier diet etc but these things can't cure every medical problem. While it's better to avoid drugs sometimes it's just not possible, treating some medical problems can be extremely complicated. For example Rafa's chronic foot problem. Rest didn't help. The shoe insert has helped him at times but not always. Anti inflammatory drugs before/during a match won't always work. So he has to go down the injection route, etc.

 

[Kieran]

I think it depends what the medical problem is. Certain drugs are over prescribed and have been for a long time, if you see documentaries people sent home from hospital after surgery with painkillers and 10 years later they are still on the drugs Why in this situation does the Dr keep prescribing the drugs

Nowadays Doctors want to prescribe things like meditation, mindfulness, gentle exercise, healthier diet etc but these things can't cure every medical problem. While it's better to avoid drugs sometimes it's just not possible, treating some medical problems can be extremely complicated. For example Rafa's chronic foot problem. Rest didn't help. The shoe insert has helped him at times but not always. Anti inflammatory drugs before/during a match won't always work. So he has to go down the injection route, etc.

Absolutely, brother, if it’s acute and natural resources can’t help, then medicate. As for the question you ask, why do doctors keep prescribing drugs long after they’re needed, your guess is as good as mine: incompetence? Greed? Laziness? I don’t know. My mothers doctor of 30 years service died and when she went to the new bloke, he surveyed her cocktail menu and was shocked to see her long term on drugs that are effective only in the short term. I think my old Ma was also at fault, to an extent, but she came from a generation that never questioned doctors, priests, teachers etc, considering these peoples education to be proof of the rightness of their actions…

 

[Nadalfan2013]

So when do you guys think we will find out about whether Djokovic will be able to enter Australia or not. Do you think it will be soon or will it be like at the last minute? Hopefully it will be a quick decision that will be public very soon because we don't want many weeks of speculation and drama with tons of articles in the media repeating "will Djokovic play? Will he not?".

 

[Sundaymorningguy]

I think Djokovic likes to be liked while he is playing tennis. I think outside of the moment he doesn’t particularly care.

 

[TheSicilian]

So when do you guys think we will find out about whether Djokovic will be able to enter Australia or not. Do you think it will be soon or will it be like at the last minute? Hopefully it will be a quick decision that will be public very soon because we don't want many weeks of speculation and drama with tons of articles in the media repeating "will Djokovic play? Will he not?".

An hour before the AO draw

 

[Kieran]

So when do you guys think we will find out about whether Djokovic will be able to enter Australia or not. Do you think it will be soon or will it be like at the last minute? Hopefully it will be a quick decision that will be public very soon because we don't want many weeks of speculation and drama with tons of articles in the media repeating "will Djokovic play? Will he not?".

I read that chap called Yesjak Sjokovic has had a request for a Wild Card put in by the Serbian Tennis Association. Craig Tiley has said that the Serbs need to give some clue as to who Yesjak Sjokovic is. So far, the Serbs have not responded - but they're working on it...

 

[MargaretMcAleer]

I read that chap called Yesjak Sjokovic has had a request for a Wild Card put in by the Serbian Tennis Association. Craig Tiley has said that the Serbs need to give some clue as to who Yesjak Sjokovic is. So far, the Serbs have not responded - but they're working on it...

Craig Tiley needs to be very careful, he has been told to stop lobbying for any player, after he announced earlier, he hopes that Djokovic will be allowed to play at the AO in 2023, he needs to keep that confidential at present regarding wild cards.

 

[Kieran]

What the hell has Craig Tiley got to do with it? he has been told to keep mouth shout and stop lobbying for any player, especially Djokovic.

Shh! Yesjak Sjokovic isn't Novak Djokovic! The Serbians will release his records soon to show that he is a great tennis player in Serbia and very deserving of a wild card to their prestigious grand slam event. No photos please, he's shy!

 

[MargaretMcAleer]

Shh! Yesjak Sjokovic isn't Novak Djokovic! The Serbians will release his records soon to show that he is a great tennis player in Serbia and very deserving of a wild card to their prestigious grand slam event. No photos please, he's shy!

I said 'any player' please read my post

 

[MargaretMcAleer]

Shh! Yesjak Sjokovic isn't Novak Djokovic! The Serbians will release his records soon to show that he is a great tennis player in Serbia and very deserving of a wild card to their prestigious grand slam event. No photos please, he's shy!

Well if he is shy and wont have a photo my advice to him is to find another sport, I hear darts is very competitive