Novak Djokovic's Vaccine Stance & Visa Troubles

[MargaretMcAleer]

Djokovic blew it or Medvedev won it

Medvedev was too good on the day and he deserved his win
People forget that the USO is Novaks weakest GS
Novak has appeared in 9 finals at the USO, winning 3 of them
So it wasnt a given that Novak would have won, except Novak fans

 

[MargaretMcAleer]

Just some updated news, regarding Novak and his 3 year ban,

Novak said he is still waiting to hear, if he can play at the AO in 2023,
The AO 2023 was launched the other day, of course no mention as yet of Novak, in the AO launch.

 

[Kieran]

Medvedev was too good on the day and he deserved his win
People forget that the USO is Novaks weakest GS
Novak has appeared in 9 finals at the USO, winning 3 of them

Weakest?

He currently holds the record for most defeats in a slam final there!

 

[MargaretMcAleer]

Weakest?

He currently holds the record for most defeats in a slam final there!

I was trying to be kind okay....LOL! I have some feelings

 

[TheSicilian]

Medvedev was too good on the day and he deserved his win
People forget that the USO is Novaks weakest GS
Novak has appeared in 9 finals at the USO, winning 3 of them
So it wasnt a given that Novak would have won, except Novak fans

I only saw the end of the match, but remember Med got very nervous. Always tough to win slam #1!

 

[Fiero425]

Djokovic's record at Majors shows he owns AO, "down under," taking 3 in a row twice, w/ 9 Chps overall! Wimbledon may be his as well soon holding 7 titles & defeating the "so called" grass GOAT 3 times in finals! As for the USO, IDK what else he can do to show his dominance sans winning the title more? He's been in the final 9 times, winning 3! The FO thought to be his weakest is BS as he's been in contention 6 times w/ his 2 wins completing 2 CGS! His winning percentage is still 84% w/ 85 match wins; quite a few more than Federer who had more opportunities! After this Wimbledon we also find out Novak's the only player with 80+ match wins at all 4 Majors, well ahead of Fedal who own more USO's & FO Chps. respectively! His Nole-Slam stands alone along with several occasions he won 3 majors in a row to maybe complete 2 or 3 more! So many of Novak's accomplishments standalone in the record book!

 

[MargaretMcAleer]

I only saw the end of the match, but remember Med got very nervous. Always tough to win slam #1!

Of course nerves set in when serving for your first GS title, he defeated Novak in straight sets, good victory for him, even the other day when Med had to retire against Novak in Astana, he was the better player, even Novak said that, those 2 always have tight battles

 

[TheSicilian]

Djokovic's record at Majors shows he owns AO, "down under," taking 3 in a row twice, w/ 9 Chps overall! Wimbledon may be his as well soon holding 7 titles & defeating the "so called" grass GOAT 3 times in finals! As for the USO, IDK what else he can do to show his dominance sans winning the title more? He's been in the final 9 times, winning 3! The FO thought to be his weakest is BS as he's been in contention 6 times w/ his 2 wins completing 2 CGS! His winning percentage is still 84% w/ 85 match wins; quite a few more than Federer who had more opportunities! After this Wimbledon we also find out Novak's the only player with 80+ match wins at all 4 Majors, well ahead of Fedal who own more USO's & FO Chps. respectively! His Nole-Slam stands alone along with several occasions he won 3 majors in a row to maybe complete 2 or 3 more! So many of Novak's accomplishments standalone in the record book!

Impressive! But they all have records that stand alone e.g Nadal 14 RG titles. 14 RG titles is ridiculous enough but he did that in the era of the Goats, I think Nadal has faced either Fedovic or both on route to 11 out of the 14 titles which makes it even more astounding

 

[Fiero425]

Weakest?

He currently holds the record for most defeats in a slam final there!

The delusion's real w/ so many! Weak? Novak only made 9 finals, 1 > anyone else like Lendl who made all his in a row! How weak could he be if he's making all these finals from 2007-21? How many has Nadal made; 5? When was the last time Fed made a final; 2015? ND Weak? I think not!

 

[Kieran]

The delusion's real w/ so many! Weak? Novak only made 9 finals, 1 > anyone else like Lendl who made all his in a row! How weak could he be if he's making all these finals from 2007-21? How many has Nadal made; 5? When was the last time Fed made a final; 2015? ND Weak? I think not!

Rafa’s better in New York than Novak, that’s statistically proven in many ways, including their matches against each other there, making a mockery of Djokolyte claims that without Novak there this year, there’s an asterisk due.

Very few Novak fans realise he benefited from Rafa’s absence and injuries over the years where he skipped New York, but Novak didn’t fully make the most of the opportunity and got D-Que’d in 2020, dropped a calf in 21, etc. Since 2009, Rafa has only played 9 USOs - winning it 4 times.

 

[TheSicilian]

The delusion's real w/ so many! Weak? Novak only made 9 finals, 1 > anyone else like Lendl who made all his in a row! How weak could he be if he's making all these finals from 2007-21? How many has Nadal made; 5? When was the last time Fed made a final; 2015? ND Weak? I think not!

Fed is old now lol he was 35 In 2015? Djokovic didn't make the final at the USO this year at the same age Novax didn't even make it through the qualifying rounds at age 35

 

[MargaretMcAleer]

Impressive! But they all have records that stand alone e.g Nadal 14 RG titles. 14 RG titles is ridiculous enough but he did that in the era of the Goats, I think Nadal has faced either Fedovic or both on route to 11 out of the 14 titles which makes it even more astounding

Rafa's 14 RG titles stands alone as probably the greatest sports stat in any sport, many sports journalists agree when he won his 14th title this year at RG.

 

[Fiero425]

Fed is old now lol he was 35 In 2015? Djokovic didn't make the final at the USO this year at the same age Novax didn't even make it through the qualifying rounds at age 35

If age has so much to do w/ it, why has Nadal been upset so many times in NY? True enuf Rafa won 1 > title, but overall rec. stinks w/ bad losses!

 

[TheSicilian]

If age has so much to do w/ it, why has Nadal been upset so many times in NY? True enuf Rafa won 1 > title, but overall rec. stinks w/ bad losses!

1 Title Rafa has 4 4 out of 9 trys in the last 15 years at a tournament many said he would never win

 

[Fiero425]

1 Title Rafa has 4 4 out of 9 trys in the last 15 years at a tournament many said he would never win

It looked bleak for Nadal in NY w/ so many bad losses early on in his career! He never got to a final until 2010! He seemed tired after winning those FO's so it was understandable the doubt he'd ever win, but after all this time he's still no king of HC's that's for sure! That moniker belongs to Novak w/ 12 Major HC wins to Nadal's 6!

 

[TheSicilian]

It looked bleak for Nadal in NY w/ so many bad losses early on in his career! He never got to a final until 2011! He seemed tired after winning those FO's so it was understandable the doubt he'd ever win, but after all this time he's still no king of HC's that's for sure! That moniker belongs to Novak w/ 12 Major HC wins to Nadal's 6!

Likewise Novak is no King of Clay 14 to 2

 

[the AntiPusher]

Rafa’s better in New York than Novak, that’s statistically proven in many ways, including their matches against each other there, making a mockery of Djokolyte claims that without Novak there this year, there’s an asterisk due.

Very few Novak fans realise he benefited from Rafa’s absence and injuries over the years where he skipped New York, but Novak didn’t fully make the most of the opportunity and got D-Que’d in 2020, dropped a calf in 21, etc. Since 2009, Rafa has only played 9 USOs - winning it 4 times.

Still can't believe Rafa lost to Frances Tiafoe.. SMH2

 

[Fiero425]

Likewise Novak is no King of Clay 14 to 2

Novak's at least a "Prince" w/ many wins over Nadal on clay; > anyone else; esp. Roger who s/b embarrassed AF w/ so many opportunities!

Good enough argument to be saved to Nole's Blog! Thanks!

 

[Moxie]

Well I’m pleased that you finally accept that people are having negative side effects from the vaccines. But you don’t know their numbers are small, if doctors aren’t recording them, and this is the point. So now another poster tells us the same, that the doctor didn’t take their complaint seriously. We’re in the short term with this. Just like when the death figures were deliberately exaggerated to make covid look more bogey than it is, the truth about vaccine side effects isn’t going to be fully explored for a long time, because the medical profession is not listening to its patients.

That is fair, if the numbers are being underreported, and, most disturbingly, if patients are not being listened to, as seems very much the case with The Sicilian, and your friend. I still have a hard time thinking that they are massively under-reported. Of everyone in my business, and we're required to be vaccinated and boosted in most states in the US, I have heard of no adverse reactions, and I participate on film businesses groups on FB, etc. Also amongst various friends, not just in my immediate circle, but I have a fairly promiscuous open-door policy on my FB and Insta, and you have to believe me that some of the people I grew up with are definitely Trumpers, and otherwise far, far to the right of me, and not a mention of the vaccine doing anyone ill with lingering reactions. As I said, I don't, and I actually never did believe no one has bad reactions. That can always happen, and you can google that it has with this vaccine.

You don’t have to explain to me what anecdotal means, by the way, I’m surprised you think you do. “Anecdotal” in this case means that people are talking about it, but The Science isn’t recording it.Yet. Eventually they will, I suppose when they’ve developed a wonder drug to treat this too.

I was not explaining to you what anecdotal means, but I think you are taking a more liberal definition than I would.

As you know, I’m not against the vaccine, but I’m not totally for it either. The reason why we’re not in the long term with this vaccine is because it’s innovative. If this vaccine was like the ones we took as children, they’d have known when they rolled it out that boosters were needed.

Remember when I got my second jab, Pfizer thought it unlikely that anyone would need a booster? It could provide lifetime protection. Huzzah! But “The Science” was wrong, and proven wrong within only a couple of short months, and they were so wrong that people are now on their fourth jabs. I dread to think that there are people who have taken more than 4 jabs, but you never know. I would think they should be wise to stop taking jabs until The Science stops playing checkout girl with this, and starts getting the vaccine right. But people over medicate these days, especially, I might say, in your country, and they’re using their children as pin cushions with this stuff too, and flu jabs. Totally unhealthy for kids to be taking this.

And it’s still short term in the sense that we don’t know if the innovative technology will have further negative effects down the road…

We can agree to disagree on some of this, but I have always appreciated your position on the vaccine...took it, but remaining cautious. I think that's fair.

 

[Moxie]

Novak doesn’t care how he’s viewed in Australia. If he did, he wouldn’t have done everything he did in January. The last thing on Novak’s mind will be, “What will Australians think of me if I try to get this 3-year ban overruled?”

I slightly disagree with this, in that I think it just didn't occur to him that everyone didn't simply want what he wanted, which was for him to play the AO, and that he'd be fully embraced when he showed up. It was a massive misreading of the room, and likely will happen again, when his ban gets lifted...meaning he won't expect push-back, if he should get it. That comes from being surrounded by yes-men. I do think he cares more about his ambition than what Australians think of him, but I also think that it doesn't occur to him that people might be against him when his actions benefit his interests, but run counter to theirs.

In my opinion Novak always wants to be liked or loved, worldwide, to me he did what he did as he was standing up for his principals on not taking a vaccine, which still stands to this day.

I do agree that Novak wants to be loved, (I would say he has a rather neurotic need to be.) We'll see what happens if he gets his ban revoked and how people react to that. They might be fine, and over it, and just happy to watch the tennis. But it might feel like unfair treatment towards the privileged, and he may not get the welcome back he's expecting.

A small quibble with the second part of your statement, however. Novak was not standing by his principles when he went to Australia. He had refused to make any statement as to where he stood on the vaccine, or if he had taken it, prior to showing up in Australia, brandishing his exemption (invalid, as it turns out,) due to recent Covid. He was asked repeatedly where he stood, as soon as the AO announced they would require the vaccine for players. He consistently refused to answer, and got very tetchy about it, citing privacy issues. Which might be fine, except that he had started it, declaring early in the pandemic, and completely unbidden, that he would have to think hard about it if a vaccine were required to play on the tour. So, once it was, he got asked, and he acted surprised. IMO, he evaded the whole thing, sought to get in through a backdoor, even though every other player on the men's side was vaccinated. He only took a stand about it after the Australia debacle, and, IMO, at that point he HAD to act like it was a principled one. And it still only came about a month later. If it was such a principled position, he would have had something to say about it prior to the AO, IMO.