Novak Djokovic's Vaccine Stance & Visa Troubles

[TheSicilian]

I’m not too sure how to interpret this. Would you believe that when one of our friends told her GP that she was fine, until she got her second jab on Tuesday and since then she’s not fine, that he didn’t believe it might be because of the vaccine? That he suggested it must be because of something else, something he couldn’t define or discover, and that although the uncommon event that happened in her life at this time was the second jab, he didn’t seem to wonder at all if this was a cause of her sudden downturn? In fact, he tried to steer her away from making that obvious conclusion.

As for long term side effects, we aren’t in the long term yet. They’re still discovering things about the vaccines, the virus etc. It’s interesting though that you dismiss something truthful that I told you as “anecdotal”, and yet when official stats show that covid is not a beastly plague, and certainly not a menace to the healthy, you talk down these stats in favour of anecdotal stories your own…

Sorry to hear about your friend who became ill after the vaccine. I myself have had two different health issues start very soon after my first dose last year. 18 months later the problems are still here... Maybe it's coincidental, but the timing of the problems which started within a month of the first vaccine, it's hard not to blame the vaccine for me. I will probably never know, maybe if I didn't have the vaccine things would be different. Other people have reported the same problems as me but in small numbers. In the beginning my Doctors were not interested but 18 months later when I bring up the vaccine causing the problems they take me very seriously. One of the Doctors was severely ill with Covid at the start of the pandemic I think he spent a month in hospital and said he almost died from it. So after his brutal experience with Covid it would have been easy for him to dismiss my vaccine theory but he didn't which says a lot. It's terrible your friends DR tried to steer away from the connection.

 

[MargaretMcAleer]

Sorry to hear about your friend who became ill after the vaccine. I myself have had two different health issues start very soon after my first dose last year. 18 months later the problems are still here... Maybe it's coincidental, but the timing of the problems which started within a month of the first vaccine, it's hard not to blame the vaccine for me. I will probably never know, maybe if I didn't have the vaccine things would be different. Other people have reported the same problems as me but in small numbers. In the beginning my Doctors were not interested but 18 months later when I bring up the vaccine causing the problems they take me very seriously. One of the Doctors was severely ill with Covid at the start of the pandemic I think he spent a month in hospital and said he almost died from it. So after his brutal experience with Covid it would have been easy for him to dismiss my vaccine theory but he didn't which says a lot. It's terrible your friends DR tried to steer away from the connection.

Can I ask what vaccination there are so many different ones, and people should be aware of some of the side effects, and if that is the case look for another vaccine. I always recommend Novavax which is a protein vaccine with little side effects

 

[TheSicilian]

Can I ask what vaccination there are so many different ones, and people should be aware of some of the side effects, and if that is the case look for another vaccine. I always recommend Novavax which is a protein vaccine with little side effects

I had Astrazeneca. I'm not keen on anymore vaccines, while I would like the protection I can't take the gamble. Novavax sounds like the perfect vaccine for Novax!

 

[MargaretMcAleer]

I had Astrazeneca. I'm not keen on anymore vaccines, while I would like the protection I can't take the gamble. Novavax sounds like the perfect vaccine for Novax!

Astrazenecea has many side effects, your GP should have made you aware of all the available vaccines to suit you, I personally do not like Astrazeneca sorry to hear you had that experience, Novavax is a good vaccine with not many side effects, no it wasnt named after you know who lol!

 

[TheSicilian]

Astrazenecea has many side effects, your GP should have made you aware of all the available vaccines to suit you, I personally do not like Astrazeneca sorry to hear you had that experience, Novavax is a good vaccine with not many side effects, no it wasnt named after you know who lol!

I think at the time it was AZ or Pfizer but I didn't get a choice.

 

[Moxie]

This says some interesting things.

Vaccines: What we know about long-term safety now

Despite concerns over Covid vaccines, most side effects occur with hours or weeks of having a jab.

www.bbc.com

 

[MargaretMcAleer]

I think at the time it was AZ or Pfizer but I didn't get a choice.

I understand at the start those 2 were the only ones available.

 

[Kieran]

I'm not trying to be unkind, at all. There ARE people that suffer side-effects of the vaccine. I'm surprised if your friend's GP didn't take her concerns to heart. It's not like people DON'T get side effects.


Forgive me, but your stories are anecdotal, by definition. Just from people in your life. I don't dismiss them as untrue, but what I'm saying is that more than 12.7 billion shots have been given, worldwide, and the percentage of significant side-effects, in the long term (by which in this case I mean other than a sore arm, slight fever and fatigue for a day or two,) is small. I don't doubt that you know people who may have them. It can happen. We all offer anecdotal stories. Identifying them as such is the key. Drawing broader conclusions from them, without identifying that, isn't quite kosher, IMO. You say we aren't in the long-term yet, but we're in a pretty long-term place. First doses were given nearly 2 years ago. Vaccinations have a more than 200 year history. We've all taken a lot of them to no ill-effects. (Polio, smallpox, MMR, seasonal flu.) Why is the Covid one so controversial? I know some questions of methodologies that are new, but, IMO, the difference is the internet, and the ability of people to freak each other out.

Well I’m pleased that you finally accept that people are having negative side effects from the vaccines. But you don’t know their numbers are small, if doctors aren’t recording them, and this is the point. So now another poster tells us the same, that the doctor didn’t take their complaint seriously. We’re in the short term with this. Just like when the death figures were deliberately exaggerated to make covid look more bogey than it is, the truth about vaccine side effects isn’t going to be fully explored for a long time, because the medical profession is not listening to its patients.

You don’t have to explain to me what anecdotal means, by the way, I’m surprised you think you do. “Anecdotal” in this case means that people are talking about it, but The Science isn’t recording it.Yet. Eventually they will, I suppose when they’ve developed a wonder drug to treat this too.

As you know, I’m not against the vaccine, but I’m not totally for it either. The reason why we’re not in the long term with this vaccine is because it’s innovative. If this vaccine was like the ones we took as children, they’d have known when they rolled it out that boosters were needed.

Remember when I got my second jab, Pfizer thought it unlikely that anyone would need a booster? It could provide lifetime protection. Huzzah! But “The Science” was wrong, and proven wrong within only a couple of short months, and they were so wrong that people are now on their fourth jabs. I dread to think that there are people who have taken more than 4 jabs, but you never know. I would think they should be wise to stop taking jabs until The Science stops playing checkout girl with this, and starts getting the vaccine right. But people over medicate these days, especially, I might say, in your country, and they’re using their children as pin cushions with this stuff too, and flu jabs. Totally unhealthy for kids to be taking this.

And it’s still short term in the sense that we don’t know if the innovative technology will have further negative effects down the road…

 

[tented]

Oh well that will be his decision, it wont look very favorably here in Aussie I can assure you.

Novak doesn’t care how he’s viewed in Australia. If he did, he wouldn’t have done everything he did in January. The last thing on Novak’s mind will be, “What will Australians think of me if I try to get this 3-year ban overruled?”

 

[rafanoy1992]

Well I’m pleased that you finally accept that people are having negative side effects from the vaccines. But you don’t know their numbers are small, if doctors aren’t recording them, and this is the point. So now another poster tells us the same, that the doctor didn’t take their complaint seriously. We’re in the short term with this. Just like when the death figures were deliberately exaggerated to make covid look more bogey than it is, the truth about vaccine side effects isn’t going to be fully explored for a long time, because the medical profession is not listening to its patients.

You don’t have to explain to me what anecdotal means, by the way, I’m surprised you think you do. “Anecdotal” in this case means that people are talking about it, but The Science isn’t recording it.Yet. Eventually they will, I suppose when they’ve developed a wonder drug to treat this too.

As you know, I’m not against the vaccine, but I’m not totally for it either. The reason why we’re not in the long term with this vaccine is because it’s innovative. If this vaccine was like the ones we took as children, they’d have known when they rolled it out that boosters were needed.

Remember when I got my second jab, Pfizer thought it unlikely that anyone would need a booster? It could provide lifetime protection. Huzzah! But “The Science” was wrong, and proven wrong within only a couple of short months, and they were so wrong that people are now on their fourth jabs. I dread to think that there are people who have taken more than 4 jabs, but you never know. I would think they should be wise to stop taking jabs until The Science stops playing checkout girl with this, and starts getting the vaccine right. But people over medicate these days, especially, I might say, in your country, and they’re using their children as pin cushions with this stuff too, and flu jabs. Totally unhealthy for kids to be taking this.

And it’s still short term in the sense that we don’t know if the innovative technology will have further negative effects down the road…

PS: I get your point being in the middle of all this, I totally appreciate it.

I will just defend a little bit of the Science part of the drug. That's really the point of the creating something new whether its a drug, a car, video game or etc...

The goal of Science of something is to find something innovative, improve the product and hopefully the public will love the product whether or not it works.

I think a major problem of these new innovative is it becomes more of a business (sometimes political) than what the intended purpose of the product.

 

[Kieran]

PS: I get your point being in the middle of all this, I totally appreciate it.

I will just defend a little bit of the Science part of the drug. That's really the point of the creating something new whether its a drug, a car, video game or etc...

The goal of Science of something is to find something innovative, improve the product and hopefully the public will love the product whether or not it works.

I think a major problem of these new innovative is it becomes more of a business (sometimes political) than what the intended purpose of the product.

That’s the issue, that it has become political, and also huge business. Massive lucrative business, and we can’t naively expect that the interests of business and politics aren’t intertwined here…

 

[MargaretMcAleer]

Novak doesn’t care how he’s viewed in Australia. If he did, he wouldn’t have done everything he did in January. The last thing on Novak’s mind will be, “What will Australians think of me if I try to get this 3-year ban overruled?”

In my opinion Novak always wants to be liked or loved, worldwide, to me he did what he did as he was standing up for his principals on not taking a vaccine, which still stands to this day.

 

[Kieran]

In my opinion Novak always wants to be liked or loved, worldwide, to me he did what he did as he was standing up for his principals on not taking a vaccine, which still stands to this day.

He certainly didn’t like an adverse crowd, and he’ll likely face one in Oz. This is a bloke who burst out crying because the crowd liked him* in New York, forgetting completely the important business he was trying to do there.



*too lazy to dig up my Sally Field gif but you know what I mean!

 

[tented]

He certainly didn’t like an adverse crowd, and he’ll likely face one in Oz. This is a bloke who burst out crying because the crowd liked him* in New York, forgetting completely the important business he was trying to do there.



*too lazy to dig up my Sally Field gif but you know what I mean!

You mean this moment?

 

[Kieran]

You mean this moment?

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Yeah! Meant so much to him he forgot that the CYGS was slipping away…

 

[Fiero425]

Yeah! Meant so much to him he forgot that the CYGS was slipping away…

Djokovic blew it! Was too greedy! Going to Tokyo for the Olympics was a huge mistake; his father argued against him going! A real shame!

 

[Kieran]

Djokovic blew it! Was too greedy! Going to Tokyo for the Olympics was a huge mistake; his father argued against him going! A real shame!

Massive mistake. I suppose he saw the golden slam as a given, with Rafa missing. Who could stop him, but himself?

 

[TheSicilian]

Yeah! Meant so much to him he forgot that the CYGS was slipping away…

I think they were only cheering him because they wanted more tennis A bit like when the crowd cheers against him, sometimes it's because the crowd just want more tennis not because they dislike him.

 

[TheSicilian]

Djokovic blew it! Was too greedy! Going to Tokyo for the Olympics was a huge mistake; his father argued against him going! A real shame!

Djokovic blew it or Medvedev won it

 

[Fiero425]

Djokovic blew it or Medvedev won it

Both IMO! I mentioned before the USO began that for Novak to have a chance to win, Medvedev had to be upset! Going to Japan only made the job harder for him! BO3 matches on a slow or fast HC was only going to test his nerves even more while holding 3 other majors in 2021! He had a target on his back & was blown away 3 times; 2 in Tokyo and 1 in USO final! Mentally Novak had a better chance in NY without dropping unncessary matches in Japan! I was shocked he recovered enough to take Paris Masters over Daniil!