Novak Djokovic's Vaccine Stance & Visa Troubles

[Nadalfan2013]

So naive and gullible! You probably believe Roger and Rafa are great buds too! You're living in a fantasy world of your own!

The lovely, beautiful and talented Eugenie Bouchard was right about Djokovic being a crybaby and we can now add his fans along with him.

Genie Bouchard's savage swipe at 'cry baby' Novak Djokovic

Eugenie Bouchard has caused an almighty stir after a tongue-in-cheek dig at Novak Djokovic. Find out what she said here.

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[Fiero425]

So wait, you think Rafa’s family were in on it too? They were yelling at him to stop playing. Taylor Fritz? He said Rafa’s serve speed went down like a leaf balloon. Just to avoid a match with Novak? Rafa was on a roll, unbeaten at the slams this year. He’d beaten every player of substance he’d faced…

So? You can count on one hand the number seasons where Nadal totally went all out to win most anything possible! It's been almost a decade (2013) w/ plenty of instances where he's obviously avoiding a loss! Many times he's totally shut it down after stealing another FO! He's a DIVA & every one knows it! It's terribly frustrating for Rafa to be as popular when he's running game on all of us!

 

[Kieran]

So? You can count on one hand the number seasons where Nadal totally went all out to win most anything possible! It's been almost a decade (2013) w/ plenty of instances where he's obviously avoiding a loss! Many times he's totally shut it down after stealing another FO! He's a DIVA & every one knows it! It's terribly frustrating for Rafa to be as popular when he's running game on all of us!

You could count it on the fingers of one finger the seasons where he’s won Australia, Paris and proceeded into the semis of Wimbledon - he’d hardly withdraw to avoid facing Novak, the form he was in, brother!

 

[the AntiPusher]

Novak should institute his own ban against the country and government of Australia for making him look like a world class dope. He should make them suffer for 2 more years to be privileged to his tennis brilliance live in that country. The nerve of that government not acknowledging that he is 10 to 20 k above the standards for covid that is set forth for an average citizen. Do they now realize he is thinks he IS? Just my two cents.

 

[Nadalfan2013]

Since the results that we got were:

2021 USO final - Medvedev def. Djokovic 6-4, 6-4, 6-4

2022 AO final - Nadal def. Medvedev 2-6, 6-7, 6-4, 6-4, 7-5

Then by my calculations in a scenario of a Nadal vs Djokovic meeting it would have been:

2022 AO final - Nadal def. Djokovic 6-4, 6-2, 6-0

@Fiero425

 

[Moxie]

What kind of data are you looking for? One that defines the word “plenty”? I personally know 3 who were fine before they got vaccinated, and haven’t recovered, and nor have they caught the virus. Some of them have virus-like symptoms. And I know people who know people who are the same, and we’ve read and heard of people who got vaccinated and were worse off after

Well, I'm sorry for your friends, and friends-of who are unwell. Personally, I'm skeptical that it could all be from the vaccination, given the very low percentage chance of long-term side effects. That would be incredibly unlucky in your specific circle. But, yes, I'd say the use of the word "plenty." It implies an overall plethora, the way you phrased it, rather than a few in your anecdotal environs.

Yes but that’s a good reason not to take it. He chose not to take it, for the good of his health. You make it sound as if it was an arbitrary thing, that he refused to take the vaccine because it’s like a pair of socks that aren’t the colour he was looking for…

I didn't mean to make it quite that dismissive, but I take your point.

 

[MargaretMcAleer]

I have no idea why this post has gone off subject this post is not about Rafa or any other player than Novak and his vaccine stance and visa issues

 

[Kieran]

Well, I'm sorry for your friends, and friends-of who are unwell. Personally, I'm skeptical that it could all be from the vaccination, given the very low percentage chance of long-term side effects. That would be incredibly unlucky in your specific circle. But, yes, I'd say the use of the word "plenty." It implies an overall plethora, the way you phrased it, rather than a few in your anecdotal environs.

I’m not too sure how to interpret this. Would you believe that when one of our friends told her GP that she was fine, until she got her second jab on Tuesday and since then she’s not fine, that he didn’t believe it might be because of the vaccine? That he suggested it must be because of something else, something he couldn’t define or discover, and that although the uncommon event that happened in her life at this time was the second jab, he didn’t seem to wonder at all if this was a cause of her sudden downturn? In fact, he tried to steer her away from making that obvious conclusion.

As for long term side effects, we aren’t in the long term yet. They’re still discovering things about the vaccines, the virus etc. It’s interesting though that you dismiss something truthful that I told you as “anecdotal”, and yet when official stats show that covid is not a beastly plague, and certainly not a menace to the healthy, you talk down these stats in favour of anecdotal stories your own…

 

[Moxie]

Tennys Sandgren, an American tennis player, who like Novak didnt want a COVID vaccination, he looked at the exemption criteria, for the AO, realized he didnt meet it and stayed unvaccinated at home. In hindsight Novak should have done the same thing, now he has to wait for the Federal Immigration department to over turn the 3 year ban.

Pierre Hugues Herbert made the same decision. (I would make the point that the Frenchman had rather more to lose than Sandgren, being a top doubles player with a decent shot at a title, or deep run, anyway.) @Kieran has said many times that he'd have respected Novak more if he'd taken the same decision, as in, just stand by his principles on the matter. Instead, he chose to roll the dice, likely counting on his status to get him through, since he surely knew that his recent covid was not a legal reason for exemption.

With this renewed discussion, it made me think about that Polish woman who was in, and then sent off, for the same reason. Clearly, she got in under the radar. The Polish Federation offered to pay for her legal defense, and instead, she chose to leave without protest. Which surprised me a bit, at the time, since someone else offered to pay for the lawyers. Now, I wonder if she was informed that if she lost her case she could face a ban. Something that maybe she felt she wouldn't have the legal means to fight. Novak, with basically bottomless funds for top-lawyers wouldn't have felt the same distress. Because, even now, he can afford to contest the ban.

 

[Moxie]

I have no idea why this post has gone off subject this post is not about Rafa or any other player than Novak and his vaccine stance and visa issues

Perhaps you have Fiero on ignore, but it would be because he's chosen to jump in with non sequiturs as some kind of defense of Novak. It's basically a word salad.

 

[MargaretMcAleer]

Pierre Hugues Herbert made the same decision. (I would make the point that the Frenchman had rather more to lose than Sandgren, being a top doubles player with a decent shot at a title, or deep run, anyway.) @Kieran has said many times that he'd have respected Novak more if he'd taken the same decision, as in, just stand by his principles on the matter. Instead, he chose to roll the dice, likely counting on his status to get him through, since he surely knew that his recent covid was not a legal reason for exemption.

With this renewed discussion, it made me think about that Polish woman who was in, and then sent off, for the same reason. Clearly, she got in under the radar. The Polish Federation offered to pay for her legal defense, and instead, she chose to leave without protest. Which surprised me a bit, at the time, since someone else offered to pay for the lawyers. Now, I wonder if she was informed that if she lost her case she could face a ban. Something that maybe she felt she wouldn't have the legal means to fight. Novak, with basically bottomless funds for top-lawyers wouldn't have felt the same distress. Because, even now, he can afford to contest the ban.

As I said to Kieran in hindsight Novak should have taken the same path as Sandgren and Herbert, Novak did not fit the criteria, for the AO he should have stayed home.

 

[MargaretMcAleer]

Perhaps you have Fiero on ignore, but it would be because he's chosen to jump in with non sequiturs as some kind of defense of Novak. It's basically a word salad.

People who cannot say on the subject and have to deflect bringing up someone that is not involved in in this topic eg Rafa, have no valid defense of Novak as far as I am concerned.

 

[Kieran]

I have no idea why this post has gone off subject this post is not about Rafa or any other player than Novak and his vaccine stance and visa issues

We’re in the waiting room now with Novak, before he finds out if he’s allowed to enter Australia again, so what better than to sharpen our blades a little on the odd covid tussle and goat skirmish…

 

[MargaretMcAleer]

We’re in the waiting room now with Novak, before he finds out if he’s allowed to enter Australia again, so what better than to sharpen our blades a little on the odd covid tussle and goat skirmish…

You Irish have always loved a tussle lol!

 

[Moxie]

There are probably people who think that is going to be a simple matter, that since covid is largely in the rear view mirror and restrictions are being dropped like hot potatoes, it’s better now to be forget the past and move on. But of course, Novak’s issue is a matter for the law, he’s still serving his time for his actions and if the law is dispassionate, he’ll be treated - again - like everyone else who’s faced the same sanction…

This. In all of the back-and-forth about Novak and various international Covid regulations in the past year, I have never understood how some people don't understand that sovereign states make their own decisions and regulations, and that you mess with border controls at your own peril. Being a rich and famous athlete doesn't change the state's obligation as to how to treat you. Had Novak chosen the path of Sandgren and Herbert, i.e., to stay home as he wasn't eligible to enter Australia by their laws last January, he'd be waltzing in to fanfare this coming January. Instead, he believed that status and money for legal defense was all he needed.

 

[Moxie]

Do you think he will challenge again if the Federal Immigration uphelds his 3 year ban?. I hope he dosent, it could back fire big time on him, especially when he had COVID and was suppose to self isolate and went out the next day for photo shoots etc? and handing out tennis trophies to kiddies?....I respect his decision not to get vaccinated, though when he was positive, he put others at risk that is down right selfish in my point of viiew

Personally, I think he'll challenge it every year until it's over. Thinking being, they may hold tough this year, and next year it'll be well in the rearview mirror.

 

[MargaretMcAleer]

Personally, I think he'll challenge it every year until it's over. Thinking being, they may hold tough this year, and next year it'll be well in the rearview mirror.

Oh well that will be his decision, it wont look very favorably here in Aussie I can assure you.
As I tell my patients 'take your medicine' regardless if it tastes like hell lol!

 

[Fiero425]

Since the results that we got were:

2021 USO final - Medvedev def. Djokovic 6-4, 6-4, 6-4

2022 AO final - Nadal def. Medvedev 2-6, 6-7, 6-4, 6-4, 7-5

Then by my calculations in a scenario of a Nadal vs Djokovic meeting it would have been:

2022 AO final - Nadal def. Djokovic 6-4, 6-2, 6-0

@Fiero425

False equivalents, but what else c/b expected from someone that dishonest & fanatical? It would've been '19 all over again; Nadal w/ 7 games!

 

[Nadalfan2013]

False equivalents, but what else c/b expected from someone that dishonest & fanatical? It would've been '19 all over again; Nadal w/ 7 games!

Bro, Nadal at the 2022 AO was playing and moving 100 times better than in 2019. And Djokovic is playing less good than he was back then. Stop living in the past.

 

[Moxie]

I’m not too sure how to interpret this. Would you believe that when one of our friends told her GP that she was fine, until she got her second jab on Tuesday and since then she’s not fine, that he didn’t believe it might be because of the vaccine? That he suggested it must be because of something else, something he couldn’t define or discover, and that although the uncommon event that happened in her life at this time was the second jab, he didn’t seem to wonder at all if this was a cause of her sudden downturn? In fact, he tried to steer her away from making that obvious conclusion.

I'm not trying to be unkind, at all. There ARE people that suffer side-effects of the vaccine. I'm surprised if your friend's GP didn't take her concerns to heart. It's not like people DON'T get side effects.

As for long term side effects, we aren’t in the long term yet. They’re still discovering things about the vaccines, the virus etc. It’s interesting though that you dismiss something truthful that I told you as “anecdotal”, and yet when official stats show that covid is not a beastly plague, and certainly not a menace to the healthy, you talk down these stats in favour of anecdotal stories your own…

Forgive me, but your stories are anecdotal, by definition. Just from people in your life. I don't dismiss them as untrue, but what I'm saying is that more than 12.7 billion shots have been given, worldwide, and the percentage of significant side-effects, in the long term (by which in this case I mean other than a sore arm, slight fever and fatigue for a day or two,) is small. I don't doubt that you know people who may have them. It can happen. We all offer anecdotal stories. Identifying them as such is the key. Drawing broader conclusions from them, without identifying that, isn't quite kosher, IMO. You say we aren't in the long-term yet, but we're in a pretty long-term place. First doses were given nearly 2 years ago. Vaccinations have a more than 200 year history. We've all taken a lot of them to no ill-effects. (Polio, smallpox, MMR, seasonal flu.) Why is the Covid one so controversial? I know some questions of methodologies that are new, but, IMO, the difference is the internet, and the ability of people to freak each other out.