Nadal: 2010 vs. 2013

[Kieran]

Hard to get over the nonsense that guy has displayed over the years I'm afraid.

Maybe if Roger had been able to beat him once or twice you'd feel a bit better, eh? :smooch

 

[tented]

Hard to get over the nonsense that guy has displayed over the years I'm afraid.

Maybe if Roger had been able to beat him once or twice you'd feel a bit better, eh? :smooch

Oh, boy. I forgot you have access to the nuclear launch codes.

 

[Front242]

Hard to get over the nonsense that guy has displayed over the years I'm afraid.

Maybe if Roger had been able to beat him once or twice you'd feel a bit better, eh? :smooch

This has nothing to do with Roger and actually one of the examples of nonsense I was thinking of was actually in a match Roger won at Indian Wells 2012 where the "humble bull" (or maybe constipated bull) was so gracious as to go and take a dump before Roger served for the match. Thankfully his cunning ploy didn't work that time but he got the desired result in 2 matches at Wimbledon 2010 alright and knew it was all or nothing on the fast grass of week 1 to get through and he used every trick at his disposal to win those two matches.

 

[Kieran]

Yeah, it's just Fedfans whining.

None of this is relevant. I'm sure you don't believe in players making excuses for losses, right? So then...

 

[Front242]

Yeah, it's just Fedfans whining.

None of this is relevant. I'm sure you don't believe in players making excuses for losses, right? So then...

Actually wrong. Nothing to do with Fed fans. McEnroe and Becker and clearly Petzschner saw f**k all wrong with Nadal and neither did anyone watching the match.

http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/tennis/wimbledon10/columns/story?columnist=garber_greg&id=5331208

Was Rafa really hurt?

Boris Becker, in the BBC commentary box, questioned whether Nadal was seriously hurt. So did U.S. Davis Cup captain Patrick McEnroe after Nadal broke Petzschner by running down two balls in breathtaking fashion in the fourth game of the fourth set for a 3-1lead.

"Nadal breaks…injury?" McEnroe tweeted. "Doesn't look like it."

Petzschner seemed to agree with them.

"I thought he was moving great," the German said. "I only could say if I would be injured like this once I would be happy [to be moving that well]. No, but I don't know. Maybe he had something. Maybe it was just a clever part to take a timeout there. I don't know."

Nadal denied that his calls for help were merely gamesmanship.

 

[Kieran]

But you still don't believe in making excuses for losses, right?

Suddenly McEnroe and Becker are in vogue. :laydownlaughing

Get over it, buddy. As you say, it's within the rules.

And it happened four years ago, FFS...

 

[Front242]

But you still don't believe in making excuses for losses, right?

Suddenly McEnroe and Becker are in vogue. :laydownlaughing

Get over it, buddy. As you say, it's within the rules.

And it happened four years ago, FFS...

Yeah, I said it's within the rules but I also said it was an undeserved title and nothing will change my view on that ever. When that t**t has finished playing tennis his name will forever be tarnished to many who aren't blinded by his every action as he's used every trick in the book on numerous occasions to win when losing.

 

[Kieran]

Put an asterisk beside it and make yourself happy.

Just think, had he lost, Federer might have won it that year!

 

[Front242]

Put an asterisk beside it and make yourself happy.

Just think, had he lost, Federer would have won it that year!

He wouldn't as I already said 'cos he played crap all that tournament and lost to Berdych. This isn't the issue and no ill feeling about Federer not winning the title as he didn't play well enough to win it. The issue is Nadal's bending of the rules to win by whatever means necessary and it's not one bit cool.

 

[Fiero425]

Put an asterisk beside it and make yourself happy.

Just think, had he lost, Federer would have won it that year!

He wouldn't as I already said 'cos he played crap all that tournament and lost to Berdych. This isn't the issue and no ill feeling about Federer not winning the title as he didn't play well enough to win it. The issue is Nadal's bending of the rules to win by whatever means necessary and it's not one bit cool.

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[Kieran]

Nice to get two posters who are objective about young Ralph to agree on something.

 

[Front242]

As I said, anyone who isn't blinded by Nadal's every action could clearly see what he did to win those matches against Haase and Petzschner. Try defending taking a toilet break before your opponent serves for the match?! Knowing full well how much of a mental edge he has on Federer, that was a pretty low thing to do most people who aren't blind or biased would agree. He was clearly hoping Federer would have a concentration lapse, get broken, then back on level terms and then he'd likely then have not only won set 2, but probably won set 3 by a margin of 6-1 or 6-2. He knew exactly was he was doing on in all of these matches and there are numerous others in his career too. Worship him if you want, the non blinded tennis viewers can see right through his antics.

 

[Kieran]

It's amazing to watch you run with this one, Front, as if you're a neutral party.

You hate the guy. We get it.

It happened four years ago. It was within the rules.

No excuses for losses, right? So none for whoever it was you're defending either (I've forgotten who he was)...

 

[Front242]

It's amazing to watch you run with this one, Front, as if you're a neutral party.

You hate the guy. We get it.

It happened four years ago. It was within the rules.

No excuses for losses, right? So none for whoever it was you're defending either (I've forgotten who he was)...

I mentioned 3 acts of unsporting antics/behaviour and 4 MTOs were taken in the match against Petzschner. I don't care if it happened 250 years ago and I know it's within the rules (but it shouldn't be and certainly not more than one MTO per match, and for an invisible injury that shows no signs before or after in terms of his movement I might add) but you'd think one MTO would be bad enough but yet the t**t had go and take 3 more and yet you think this is somehow fair?!

 

[Kieran]

I think it's within the rules and so it's not the players fault. He's not responsible for making or enforcing rules.

And I think that because it's Rafa it got your goat more than if it was anybody else.

I also think you're making excuses, and yet if Rafa was injured, you'd insist that no excuses are allowed.

Anyway, it's four years ago.

Apart from the hair, you notice any other differences between Rafa in 2010 and 2013?

 

[Fiero425]

I think it's within the rules and so it's not the players fault. He's not responsible for making or enforcing rules.

And I think that because it's Rafa it got your goat more than if it was anybody else.

I also think you're making excuses, and yet if Rafa was injured, you'd insist that no excuses are allowed.

Anyway, it's four years ago.

Apart from the hair, you notice any other differences between Rafa in 2010 and 2013?

..and so it goes! Yes, we know you don't care! Just as much as we should get over it, maybe his sychophants should do the same and stop defending his reprehensible behavior! You're being as repetitive as any of us! :nono uzzled :s :angel:

 

[Front242]

I think it's within the rules and so it's not the players fault. He's not responsible for making or enforcing rules.

And I think that because it's Rafa it got your goat more than if it was anybody else.

I also think you're making excuses, and yet if Rafa was injured, you'd insist that no excuses are allowed.

Anyway, it's four years ago.

Apart from the hair, you notice any other differences between Rafa in 2010 and 2013?

Well he's still as gracious as ever with the back and knee remarks, no? That article about the 2010 "win" against Petzschner had another snippet of his graciousness in case you missed it where he discredited Roddick's Miami 2010 win.

http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/tennis/wimbledon10/columns/story?columnist=garber_greg&id=5331208

"Sure, I am a little bit scared about the knee," he allowed. "But, you know, it happen. I had a treatment after Monte-Carlo. So I had the problem. I didn't say anything before. I had the problem against Roddick in the semifinals of Miami.

Btw, that 2010 Monte Carlo final featured imo the best clay court tennis display Nadal has ever produced where he destroyed Verdasco 6-0 6-1 and yet this happened well after Miami so exactly wtf is he saying was supposedly wrong when he lost to Roddick? The guy is a beaut.

 

[Kieran]

Possibly true, Fiero, and I have no problem with repetitiveness, nor with yours or Frints animosity towards Rafa. It's all grist to the mill, buddy...

 

[Moxie]

Hard to get over the nonsense that guy has displayed over the years I'm afraid.

Maybe if Roger had been able to beat him once or twice you'd feel a bit better, eh? :smooch

This has nothing to do with Roger and actually one of the examples of nonsense I was thinking of was actually in a match Roger won at Indian Wells 2012 where the "humble bull" (or maybe constipated bull) was so gracious as to go and take a dump before Roger served for the match. Thankfully his cunning ploy didn't work that time but he got the desired result in 2 matches at Wimbledon 2010 alright and knew it was all or nothing on the fast grass of week 1 to get through and he used every trick at his disposal to win those two matches.

Front, you've catalogued these few moments that you cry gamesmanship on, and replay them over and over. And you also claim to know what was going on with a player. (To the point of believing that you know what happened in Nadal's toilet break. :gross: - and, frankly, I think you've spent WAY too much time thinking about it.) While these stories become old and tattered, you continue to trot them out. I'd say the reason is obvious. :dodgy:

And then there's Fiero, riding on the coattails of a good Nadal slagging…and why? Because he's the nemesis of his favorite, as well. Where is the hew and cry for the changing of rules, then?

Murray took a toilet break after he lost 2 sets to Djokovic in the 2012 USO and gave himself a stern talking-to, which seemed to work. But, in a match that long, he probably needed one anyway. And after Roger lost the 5th set to Safin in the AO semi, he had a MTO to have his back worked on. Probably needed it, eh, Front? No reason to think it was cleverly timed to mess with the head of a guy with a notoriously iffy head. (And I doubt you'd be putting an asterisk on Roger's subsequent AO title had he survived that SF.)

Sometimes players need to go to the toilet, (best not to ask why,) and sometimes they have worries about their bodies. It's wrong to ascribe "gamesmanship" to some, and not to others, or certainly to be so sure about it.

 

[Front242]

So it's better to just give Nadal a pass on absolutely everything he's ever done basically. Ok, I get it now. Cool