Miami Open, Miami, FL, 2025 - ATP 1000

[Moxie]

...and Bjorn Borg at #101...kind of surprising, especially Borg.

Yeah...so much for the ice water in his veins, huh? He lost that 4th set tb-er to McEnroe 18-16 at the Wimbledon final in 1980, famously.

 

[MargaretMcAleer]

Mensik 6-5 against Top Ten competition now, takes out Draper IW champ 76(2) 76(3)

 

[kskate2]

Mensik 6-5 against Top Ten competition now, takes out Draper IW champ 76(2) 76(3)

not a surprise he's having a letdown

 

[MargaretMcAleer]

Well done to Fonseca your bhand was on song today against Humbert

 

[MargaretMcAleer]

God I hate watching tall trees
Come on Rune Believe

 

[MargaretMcAleer]

Nòoooooooo Tall Tree won

 

[MargaretMcAleer]

Can we just cancel Miami and move onto the clay

 

[mrzz]

Can we just cancel Miami and move onto the clay

Fonseca hater

 

[MargaretMcAleer]

Fonseca hater

LOL not at all I was impressed with Fonseca he didnt face a BP at all in his match

 

[Fiero425]

Yeah...so much for the ice water in his veins, huh? He lost that 4th set tb-er to McEnroe 18-16 at the Wimbledon final in 1980, famously.

Borg's 1st horrible loss of a TB was back in the 1976 USO Final vs Connors! OTTH, they split the 1st 2 sets, got into a 3rd set TB where Bjorn got to set pt.! He wasn't being as courageous as he became much later, just looping the ball back! I was screaming at the TV, "you need to do more" as Connors was "tomahawking" his shots going for it! Connors finally just took a 2 handed BH rip cross-court, clipping the sideline! Borg lost yet another TB, losing all heart going into the 4th set! This was his best chance, on clay to win the USO he still covets! He blew it!

 

[MargaretMcAleer]

BTW,
Fonsecsa becomes the youngest man to reach ATP Masters 1000 3rd round since Alcaraz, 18, Paris 2021!
Fonseca will either face Alex de Minaur or Buyunchaokete ( I will have to look him up ) in the 3rd round

 

[mrzz]

LOL not at all I was impressed with Fonseca he didnt face a BP at all in his match

Liar, liar, pants on fire

 

[MargaretMcAleer]

All IW semifinalists lost their opening match in Miami!

 

[Fiero425]

Finally chk'd in to see the men have had their version of a "seeded massacre!" So many "up & comers" being brought back to Earth! Alcaraz, Draper, Lehečka, & Rune; all gone in 2nd Rd.! It appears this will be the new norm; make a final or 2, then crash & burn in early Rds. the following event! I'm not gonna cry for Shelton! Such a hotdog! My 91 yr. old Uncle absolutely hates the "hand to the ear" crap! We're just old fashion! ANYWHO, surprisingly this Fonseca kid is holding up quite well! Impressive I guess! I've only seen highlites!

 

[El Dude]

Fonseca is now the exact same age (to the month) that Alcaraz was when he won his first 500, at Rio in 2022. A month later he won his first 1000 in Miami, then added Barcelona and Madrid, and would eventually go on to win the USO.

Meaning, Fonseca is the same age as Alcaraz was when he began his breakout into elite status. I'm not sure Fonzie is quite there, but he's close. Carlos had also had a lot more match experience. He played a full year on the ATP tour in 2021, while Fonseca has played about half as much. That first Miami title was Alcaraz's 24th ATP tour level event; Miami this year is Fonseca's 12th ATP tour level event. So if we're comparing where they're at in terms of tour level experience, Fonzie will where Alcaraz was at in Miami of 2022, sometime later this year, probably after the US Open.

Also, I tend to find that winning a first big title is really hard to anticipate and tends to just happen. In other words, I don't expect him to win one of the four in the lead-up to Roland Garros, but wouldn't be surprised if he does. But also wouldn't be surprised if he doesn't win a big title until next year...there's still room to grow before then.

 

[PhiEaglesfan712]

Also, don't forget that Tien was the same exact age (to the month) in his Australian Open run as Sinner was when he made his run at the 2020 French Open. The Fonseca/Alcaraz and Tien/Sinner parallels are there. We just have to wait 3 or 4 years to see if Fonseca and Tien's careers pan out like Alcaraz and Sinner. Judging by their match on Thursday, it looks the beginning of the next great men's tennis rivalry.

 

[MargaretMcAleer]

Also, don't forget that Tien was the same exact age (to the month) in his Australian Open run as Sinner was when he made his run at the 2020 French Open. The Fonseca/Alcaraz and Tien/Sinner parallels are there. We just have to wait 3 or 4 years to see if Fonseca and Tien's careers pan out like Alcaraz and Sinner. Judging by their match on Thursday, it looks the beginning of the next great men's tennis rivalry.

Fonseca has more upside in his game than Tien at this early stage in his career.At this early stage noone can predict if either Fonseca or Tiens career paths pan out like Alcaraz or Sinner.

 

[mrzz]

I don't think Fonseca is quite up there just yet. Hope I am wrong, but untill he actually gets there, there's absolutely no guarantee that he will...

Having said that, there is one complicating factor in his case. Of all those players mentioned in the recent posts, Fonseca is by far the more aggressive one. And, to put it bluntly, it is simply more difficult and less effective to play like that. This means that everything is up to you. And if you are an 18 years old just finding out what it is like to be in a big court in the later stages of a big event, that responsibility seems like an impossible burden.

Of course that this is difficult for anyone, but less aggressive players will always have the option to just put everything back in play without changing completely his approach to the game, even if for just a few points, here and there. Fonseca does not have that luxury, and he knows that.

Actually, that is exactly what got him in the Draper match in IW. Fonseca was killing Draper in the first, the Brit simply was struggling massively just to deal with the pace of Fonseca's shots. But then a string of would be winners landed out for millimeters (I guess in five straight points), and that was it.

 

[kskate2]

I don't think Fonseca is quite up there just yet. Hope I am wrong, but untill he actually gets there, there's absolutely no guarantee that he will...

Having said that, there is one complicating factor in his case. Of all those players mentioned in the recent posts, Fonseca is by far the more aggressive one. And, to put it bluntly, it is simply more difficult and less effective to play like that. This means that everything is up to you. And if you are an 18 years old just finding out what it is like to be in a big court in the later stages of a big event, that responsibility seems like an impossible burden.

Of course that this is difficult for anyone, but less aggressive players will always have the option to just put everything back in play without changing completely his approach to the game, even if for just a few points, here and there. Fonseca does not have that luxury, and he knows that.

Actually, that is exactly what got him in the Draper match in IW. Fonseca was killing Draper in the first, the Brit simply was struggling massively just to deal with the pace of Fonseca's shots. But then a string of would be winners landed out for millimeters (I guess in five straight points), and that was it.

But his aggressiveness is a good problem to have, no? He could always be taught to play w/ more margin, patience, better shot selection and point construction.

 

[mrzz]

But his aggressiveness is a good problem to have, no? He could always be taught to play w/ more margin, patience, better shot selection and point construction.

Yes, this is true, and it is happening before our eyes. And, of course, this is the trajectory of most aggressive players (and by aggressive I mean something else than just hitting as hard as you can). But still...