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^Donskoy played an won a challenger in Asia right after his win over Federer. He played a second one and fell on the the quarters to Blaz Kavcic, he ended up as champion, if I am not mistaken. He climbed from around #160 pre-Dubai to around #100 now.

I haven´t seen his name in the qualies for Miami, maybe he was too low ranked when they made the list. Could have fought for a WC, I guess.
 

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Isn't it a low bouncing court as well as being slow,it would be great if Rafa could finally win in Miami it is one Master's Trophy that is missing in his cabinet.

It is high bouncing and slow. A perfect HC for Rafa and it's kind of an anomaly that he has never won it. In 2005 Roger was just a much better overall player but his backhand could not handle Rafa's spin whatsoever and Nadal should've won that. In 2008 he faced Davydenko who always owned him on hard courts and then ditto with Novak in 2011 and 2014 but it's still surprising overall that he never won one. Madrid is considered a "clard" court, a clay court that plays a lot like a hard court and I guess that makes Miami a "hay" court, a hard court that plays a lot like clay.
 
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I don't believe too much in 'slow or fast' surface but I believe more in how every player is playing at that time and not just physically but more important mentally

Surface matters a lot. It always has and it always will. If it comes down to Roger and Rafa here this is a much better court for Nadal and it'd be very telling if Roger pulled out another win (just saying).
 

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mrzz said:
^Donskoy played an won a challenger in Asia right after his win over Federer. He played a second one and fell on the the quarters to Blaz Kavcic, he ended up as champion, if I am not mistaken. He climbed from around #160 pre-Dubai to around #100 now.

I haven´t seen his name in the qualies for Miami, maybe he was too low ranked when they made the list. Could have fought for a WC, I guess.

That guy is in the 80s on the ranks. Couldn't see why that would have been very low to enter the qualies.
 

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shivashish said:
mrzz said:
^Donskoy played an won a challenger in Asia right after his win over Federer. He played a second one and fell on the the quarters to Blaz Kavcic, he ended up as champion, if I am not mistaken. He climbed from around #160 pre-Dubai to around #100 now.

I haven´t seen his name in the qualies for Miami, maybe he was too low ranked when they made the list. Could have fought for a WC, I guess.

That guy is in the 80s on the ranks. Couldn't see why that would have been very low to enter the qualies.

Entry is based on your rankings six weeks before the tournaments.
 

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It is high bouncing and slow. A perfect HC for Rafa and it's kind of an anomaly that he has never won it. In 2005 Roger was just a much better overall player but his backhand could not handle Rafa's spin whatsoever and Nadal should've won that. In 2008 he faced Davydenko who always owned him on hard courts and then ditto with Novak in 2011 and 2014 but it's still surprising overall that he never won one. Madrid is considered a "clard" court, a clay court that plays a lot like a hard court and I guess that makes Miami a "hay" court, a hard court that plays a lot like clay.


Thanks for clarifying the bounce of the court,I remember the match against Davy in 2008.I learnt to play on the real red dirt in Europe so my favorite season is clay.
 

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Surface matters a lot. It always has and it always will. If it comes down to Roger and Rafa here this is a much better court for Nadal and it'd be very telling if Roger pulled out another win (just saying).

If the surface would matter a lot then Rafa would have won already in Miami, if he has won in fast court why not in slow?
 

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If the surface would matter a lot then Rafa would have won already in Miami, if he has won in fast court why not in slow?

That's why I said it is a bit of an anomaly. Miami is a better surface for him than IW but he has had much more success at the latter. The Paris masters was kind of similar for Roger but that one is not as extreme of an example since Roger skipped the tournament a few times. But it was still a great surface for Roger and he didn't win it until he was 30. Miami is also a tremendous surface for Novak so that's played a part in Nadal not winning there.
 
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If the surface would matter a lot then Rafa would have won already in Miami, if he has won in fast court why not in slow?


"Q. Actually since Beijing you seem to be playing better and better. Do you feel it? Do you think this surface in a way, which seems quite slow, helps your game more than others or not?
RAFAEL NADAL: I don't play very well in that slow surfaces. I play better in little bit faster surfaces, not slow.

People thinks because I had a lot of success on clay, people thinks I play better on the slower surfaces. But the real thing is in hard court, in the courts that I had more success are in fast courts. Montréal is one of the fastest courts. I had a lot of success in Montréal. When I won the Olympics, was very fast court. Madrid 2005 was a fast court. And for sure Shanghai is fast, no?

When you are playing well, you are playing well in all the surfaces. When you are playing bad, you are playing bad in all the surfaces. Is not true that I play better because the surface is slow, no. I prefer to have little bit faster surface than a slower surface.

I am playing better since Montréal. I was practicing well there, in the US Open, too. If the results don't say that, you don't see the practices, but I know how I was practicing there.

Then the results on Beijing, Shanghai, Basel, Paris confirms that I am playing much better, no? So happy for that. As I said in Beijing, my main goal is try to start next year with my level, with the level that I want to be. I am working to make that happen.

Q. But you were just also saying when it's fast out there, you won Montréal, you were playing great, you won Wimbledon, it was fast. If it's fast here, maybe you can win it?
RAFAEL NADAL: I never say that it's fast here. I never say that is fast here. Here everybody is saying that it's slow. It's not that I'm saying it's fast.

The court is not fast. The court is okay. But it's obvious that I am playing against the best players of the world. I only won the first match. That's important for me, very important. But remain a lot to qualify for that semifinals. I cannot think about winning the tournament today when I only won the first match.

I think about the next match. Then if I am able to win next match, probably I will be in that semifinals. If not I going to keep fighting in the third match to try to be qualify for that semifinals.

I go day by day, that's all."
 
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^ I'm guessing that's from the 2015 YEC? Anyways I think with Nadal when it comes to surfaces the bounce is way more important than the speed. If the court does not have a high bounce he most certainly prefers a faster court to a degree. On high bouncing courts it may be another story and of course it also will depend on who is opponent is. There is no question against Federer he wants the court to be slow but at this stage of his career he might prefer faster surfaces vs. a lot of other opponents.
 
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There are lots of things to consider here. Not just the match against, let's say Federer but the matches of a whole tourney. On slow surfaces Rafa's matches go on forever and they make him kaput for the final. That's one of the reasons Rafa was more successful at the USO than at the AO, he hits more winners there and plays shorter matches. Then ofc lots of things influence the outcome of the final too, temperature which influences the speed and the bounce, etc etc.
 

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Rafa needs to win a tournament and then he will be ready to win more in slow, medium or fast court
 

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Read the comments, his tennis board members consistently ridicule Tignor..How in the Hell is he still employed..they could go train a chimp to reach his hands into a bucket or bowl with the player's name on chips and the outcome would make more logical sense.. Front I would like you to track your buddy's picks and see how he fares.
 

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ORDER OF PLAY - WEDNESDAY, MARCH 22, 2017

STADIUM start 11:00 am
ATP - [WC] M. Mmoh (USA) vs N. Mahut (FRA)
ATP - F. Fognini (ITA) vs R. Harrison (USA)

Not Before 3:00 pm
WTA - E. Bouchard (CAN) vs [WC] A. Barty (AUS)
WTA - C. Bellis (USA) vs [WC] A. Tomljanovic (CRO)

Not Before 7:30 pm
ATP - A. Pavlasek (CZE) vs T. Fritz (USA)

Not Before 9:00 pm
WTA - S. Cirstea (ROU) vs M. Puig (PUR)

GRANDSTAND start 11:00 am
ATP - M. Klizan (SVK) vs B. Paire (FRA)

Not Before 1:00 pm
WTA - [WC] B. Mattek-Sands (USA) vs K. Siniakova (CZE)
ATP - J. Monaco (ARG) vs F. Delbonis (ARG)
ATP - [Q] J. Donaldson (USA) vs K. Edmund (GBR)

Not Before 5:00 pm
ATP - G. Pella (ARG) vs [Q] T. Smyczek (USA)

COURT 1 start 11:00 am
WTA - J. Jankovic (SRB) vs Y. Shvedova (KAZ)
ATP - D. Young (USA) vs D. Brown (GER)
ATP - J. Vesely (CZE) vs [PR] T. Haas (GER)
ATP - K. Anderson (RSA) vs [Q] D. Lajovic (SRB)
WTA - J. Goerges (GER) vs A. Riske (USA)

COURT 2 start 11:00 am
ATP - J. Chardy (FRA) vs F. Bagnis (ARG)
WTA - Y. Wickmayer (BEL) vs L. Safarova (CZE)

Not Before 2:00 pm
WTA - H. Watson (GBR) vs [Q] P. Tig (ROU)
ATP - V. Troicki (SRB) vs T. Monteiro (BRA)
WTA - A. Cornet (FRA) vs [Q] A. Sasnovich (BLR)

COURT 7 start 11:00 am
WTA - C. Mchale (USA) vs A. Beck (GER)
ATP - [Q] E. Escobedo (USA) vs D. Evans (GBR)
ATP - [Q] C. Harrison (USA) vs D. Sela (ISR)
WTA - L. Davis (USA) vs [Q] V. Lepchenko (USA)
WTA - S. Rogers (USA) vs [Q] M. Erakovic (NZL)

COURT 8 start 11:00 am
ATP - Y. Nishioka (JPN) vs J. Thompson (AUS)
WTA - A. Petkovic (GER) vs [Q] J. Cepelova (SVK)
ATP - [Q] A. Bedene (GBR) vs J. Struff (GER)
WTA - [Q] R. Ozaki (JPN) vs L. Chirico (USA)
WTA - O. Dodin (FRA) vs P. Parmentier (FRA)

COURT 9 start 11:00 am
WTA - M. Doi (JPN) vs [Q] V. Cepede Royg (PAR)
WTA - [Q] M. Brengle (USA) vs J. Ostapenko (LAT)
WTA - [Q] D. Vekic (CRO) vs Q. Wang (CHN)
WTA - [WC] A. Anisimova (USA) vs [Q] T. Townsend (USA)
WTA - [Q] K. Nara (JPN) vs [Q] A. Kontaveit (EST)
 

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GameSetAndMath said:
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Rafa also gets tough draw, but not as tough as Roger's


R64: Qualifer
R32: Kohly
R16: Grigor
QF: Milos
SF: Kei
F: Roger/Stan

I disagree, I think Rafa has it harder every round except the R32 and maybe the semi though Stan is much more likely to be upset than Kei because his section is pretty brutal. Fed's draw is very nice aside from DP in R32.

Reasonable people can differ on whether Fed's or Rafa's draw is trickier.

However, Fed's draw is no cake walk; so much for getting the #4 seeding.

You agree that JMDP is tough customer. Uncle Sam recently won 500 on the other side of the yet to be built wall. Further Uncle Sam and related players usually tend to well in home soil. Thiem is having lot of power and his shots are heavy and will be particularly suited in the slow courts of Miami.
I don't expect Stan to reach SF. But, whoever reaches will be tough as well (Zverev beat Fed this year in Hopman cup and Nick has never lost to Fed).

I think Uncle Sam cannot trouble Fed, assuming Fed gets past JMDP. But Thiem and others can.

Finally, a Donkey can always beat Fed, if he takes his eye off the prize. :ras:

I agree it is far from clear cut who has the tougher draw when you factor in DP being an enormous difference from Kohlschreiber. Sam and Thiem would be tough but I think Grigor and Raonic is a significantly tougher gauntlet if the latter is healthy. Also of note is that if Nishikori gets upset before the semis then the winner of the other quarter, Rafa/Raonic/Dimitrov is going to have an easy semifinal whereas the winner of Fed's quarter is very unlikely to have an easy semi.
 

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the AntiPusher said:
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Tignor makes his picks for Miami . Jinxes Thiem in the process.
Glad he did not jump on the bandwagon and jinx Fed.

That SOB purposely made these picks to ensure another Federer championship..

He definitely doesn't make picks in hopes of Fed winning. Tignor is a self-admitted Rafa nut. I don't think his picks this tournament are that out there aside from Goffin winning his section. I like McFly but he isn't coming out of that quarter. I also don't see Thiem beating Roger or DP.