Miami Open, Florida, USA, ATP Masters 2017

[the AntiPusher]

There is at least perceived changing of the guards when the Miami organizers put Fed vs. Bird in the day and save Nick vs. Sasha for primetime.

But, I think it is actually good for Fed as the daytime conditions favor him in Miami.

Berdych is gonna get crushed by Federer

 

[Fiero425]

There is at least perceived changing of the guards when the Miami organizers put Fed vs. Bird in the day and save Nick vs. Sasha for primetime.

But, I think it is actually good for Fed as the daytime conditions favor him in Miami.

Berdych is gonna get crushed by Federer

I hope what happens is: "famous last words!" We can only hope! This Masters is about as open as any in the last several years! We need someone outside The "Big Four" to win this thing! :angel: :clap

 

[GameSetAndMath]

There is at least perceived changing of the guards when the Miami organizers put Fed vs. Bird in the day and save Nick vs. Sasha for primetime.

But, I think it is actually good for Fed as the daytime conditions favor him in Miami.

Berdych is gonna get crushed by Federer

I hope what happens is: "famous last words!" We can only hope! This Masters is about as open as any in the last several years! We need someone outside The "Big Four" to win this thing! :angel: :clap

Whatever happens, at the end of this tourney, top 5 = big 5 (big 4 + Cry Baby); order restored. :clap

 

[britbox]

Results from the Miami Men's Singles Quarterfinal matches on Wednesday

5-Rafa Nadal (Spain) beat 13-Jack Sock (U.S.) 6-2 6-3
Fabio Fognini (Italy) beat 2-Kei Nishikori (Japan) 6-4 6-2

 

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5-Rafa Nadal (Spain) beat 13-Jack Sock (U.S.) 6-2 6-3

 

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Fabio Fognini (Italy) beat 2-Kei Nishikori (Japan) 6-4 6-2

 

[Nekro]

A commentator in a Brazilian site (a good one) mentioned a study by some American TV network saying that the Miami courts are playing faster than IW. In fact I still did not screamed in disgust in front of the TV, like I did once some years ago (and no, it wasn´t on a Federer match). Does anyone have seen that? And what do you guys think?

i'm waiting for the Miami court pace index results to come out. Past few years Miami courts were faster. This year IW was slower than last year.

BTW don't forget that the speed you see also depends on the weather and the balls. Indian Wells is desert heat, Miami has humidity.

older one:

 

[El Dude]

Interesting. I'm surprised to see Shanghai faster than CIncinnati. I also thought Cincy was faster than Toronto.

 

[mightyjeditribble]

Terrible, multiple missed opportunities by sock on that game to go up double break and close the door on the set. :cry

Haven't watched, but maybe give some credit to Rafa? ...

Fed and Nadal will now be back in the top 5 where they belong!

Who will be ranked higher is yet to be decided - let's hope it comes down to the final.

I have a suspicion that Nadal will win the title now, and while I'll be rooting for Roger all the way, couldn't begrudge Rafa the success if he finally gets his hands on this trophy!

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[mightyjeditribble]

There is at least perceived changing of the guards when the Miami organizers put Fed vs. Bird in the day and save Nick vs. Sasha for primetime.

But, I think it is actually good for Fed as the daytime conditions favor him in Miami.

Berdych is gonna get crushed by Federer

I hope so but have a funny feeling about this one ... A lot of matches for Roger in the last few weeks.

Berdych has gone through pretty smoothly so far, admittedly not against the toughest of competition.

Even if Fed wins, if the match is too strenuous he could be in trouble in the semis against one of those young whippersnappers who can still recover more easily ...

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[isabelle]

The Fog played better, more aggressive tennis, particularly with the forehand. He also served when he needed to on the big points. Most importantly, any mental lapses he had were short-lived as in three or four points, rather than entire games. Finally, little man from Japan appeared to be a bit injured.

Kei's always injured...next tourney for him Barcelona (if he's healthy)

 

[isabelle]

Terrible, multiple missed opportunities by sock on that game to go up double break and close the door on the set. :cry

Haven't watched, but maybe give some credit to Rafa? ...

Fed and Nadal will now be back in the top 5 where they belong!

Who will be ranked higher is yet to be decided - let's hope it comes down to the final.

I have a suspicion that Nadal will win the title now, and while I'll be rooting for Roger all the way, couldn't begrudge Rafa the success if he finally gets his hands on this trophy!

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the hairy Spaniard has to take care of the Fog first..you know Flavia"s husband can be dangerous sometimes...if Nadal qualifies, so he has a good opportunity to clinch the title (we already said that In AO and in Acapuilco !!)

 

[the AntiPusher]

Terrible, multiple missed opportunities by sock on that game to go up double break and close the door on the set. :cry

Haven't watched, but maybe give some credit to Rafa? ...

Fed and Nadal will now be back in the top 5 where they belong!

Who will be ranked higher is yet to be decided - let's hope it comes down to the final.

I have a suspicion that Nadal will win the title now, and while I'll be rooting for Roger all the way, couldn't begrudge Rafa the success if he finally gets his hands on this trophy!

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the hairy Spaniard has to take care of the Fog first..you know Flavia"s husband can be dangerous sometimes...if Nadal qualifies, so he has a good opportunity to clinch the title (we already said that In AO and in Acapuilco !!)

F3 is playing great..the one thing that I like is Rafa will put himself on notice just like he did last night vs Sock..if he drops the ball short, F3 will crush it..Rafa came forward last night just as he did the last 2 sets vs Khol..when he plays like this, the Right way, he will increase his chances to be very competitive in all his matches..

 

[mrzz]

i'm waiting for the Miami court pace index results to come out. Past few years Miami courts were faster. This year IW was slower than last year.

BTW don't forget that the speed you see also depends on the weather and the balls. Indian Wells is desert heat, Miami has humidity.

older one:

Thanks a lot, Nekro.

I checked a bit and found out the ITF methodology of calculation of what they call the Court Pace Rate. I can not be positively be sure that this is the exact same thing as the index shown here, but let´s assume it is. In a nutshell they put ball gun in one side, a sensor on the other, and calculate how much pace you can keep. But there is one piece of information that I could not find, which is how far away from impact location are both the gun and the sensor. If they are close, you need to factor in weather conditions, as you said, if not, the measurement already feels the effects of those conditions. I also assume that they measure it with the same balls that are being played.

I found some more data elsewhere that points to the fact that Miami is faster than IW. (http://www.tennisabstract.com/blog/2016/11/23/the-speed-of-every-surface-2016-edition/) I am still surprised, but fair enough. We repeat things so much that we start to accept them without further thought (this time I am only talking about tennis).

 

[Shivashish Sarkar]

As weird as it might seem, Fed and Rafa have the spotlight now. We expected to have two other people right there. Clay season will change things a little.

 

[Federberg]

i'm waiting for the Miami court pace index results to come out. Past few years Miami courts were faster. This year IW was slower than last year.

BTW don't forget that the speed you see also depends on the weather and the balls. Indian Wells is desert heat, Miami has humidity.

older one:

that's really interesting. They show Toronto, but not Montreal. Is that the same speed?

 

[Federberg]

Thanks a lot, Nekro.

I checked a bit and found out the ITF methodology of calculation of what they call the Court Pace Rate. I can not be positively be sure that this is the exact same thing as the index shown here, but let´s assume it is. In a nutshell they put ball gun in one side, a sensor on the other, and calculate how much pace you can keep. But there is one piece of information that I could not find, which is how far away from impact location are both the gun and the sensor. If they are close, you need to factor in weather conditions, as you said, if not, the measurement already feels the effects of those conditions. I also assume that they measure it with the same balls that are being played.

I found some more data elsewhere that points to the fact that Miami is faster than IW. (http://www.tennisabstract.com/blog/2016/11/23/the-speed-of-every-surface-2016-edition/) I am still surprised, but fair enough. We repeat things so much that we start to accept them without further thought (this time I am only talking about tennis).

I think the thing that makes IW faster over all than Miami is the high altitude versus humidity. It's not just the courts, that has to be factored in as well

 

[Moxie]

I think the thing that makes IW faster over all than Miami is the high altitude versus humidity. It's not just the courts, that has to be factored in as well

IW isn't at altitude...it's 89 feet, in the Coachella Valley. Madrid, however, is at just under 2200 feet. I'm glad you pointed out that the chart used Toronto to stand in for Rogers Cup, and forgot about Montreal.

 

[Carol]

As weird as it might seem, Fed and Rafa have the spotlight now. We expected to have two other people right there. Clay season will change things a little.

Why weird?