stop trying to be voice of reason sometimes, i have seen you do this... you get into arguments with Darth and then counter someone like me as 'hey, wait, i'm reasonable'
My point is VALID. When Darth mentions that Roger is OLD and that he is beating Nadal and Djokovic when he should be retired, what do you think he means? He means, very obvious, that 04-07 Fed would DOMINATE today's Novak and Nadal. What i argue and you should be smart enough to recognize this, is that it's not that simple. I never said Nadal and Djokovic, in their teen years, were dominating Federer, what i said is that they were giving him problems and they were. Nadal, at 18, straight stetted Federer on hard courts in 05 and Djokovic, at 19, beat Federer in a masters final, in 07. Djokovic then straight setted Fed in 08 AO, all this WAY before his prime. So what does this mean? If pre prime Novak and Nadal were already starting to give Fed hell... is Darth right that 04-07 Fed would dominate today's versions of them? NOT THAT SIMPLE. There are complicated dynamics at play here. Maybe Fed's 04-07 game wasn't better suited to handle today's Nadal and Novak, even if he was younger. Maybe today's 'OLD' Fed is older but has adjusted his game over many years to better handle Nadal, clearly he's had success. These guys make adjustments, Nadal was thoroughly OWNED by Novak in 11-12, he then made adjustments, over years. Similarly, Nadal owned Federer for years, Fed has made adjustments and at 37 doing better, took him years. Novak made adjustments against Federer, now Federer is looking to adjust. These guys all are good enough to make adjustments but it takes time. So, it is possible that 04-07 Federer, whilst younger, may have had big problems with today's Djokovic and Nadal, it's possible. My argument is strong and valid, there is contradictory evidence to support what Darth believes - that 04-07 Federer would fare better vs today's Novak/Nadal. One one hand, he was younger but he played a different style. On the other hand, baby Nadal and Novak were already giving him problems so it is logical to assume, today's versions would be even more of a problem.