Is Federer the biggest choker among ATGs?

Is he?

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Look at the stats, Fed was better than him in every area. There's nothing subjective about that. The stats tell the full story.
But you know the rules.
What is needed to win a match? Have the better stat or win the important points?
What are you talking about?
Choking is a part of mental skills, if he wasn’t able to win the important points, he simply wasn’t good enough.
Novak’s losses in the past, especially against bull, not so much against Fed, are still hurting, but I coud Not say he lost and was the better player that day. He wasn’t.
And overall Fed lost more matches against Novak so he wasn’t the better player.
 

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But you know the rules.
What is needed to win a match? Have the better stat or win the important points?
What are you talking about?
Choking is a part of mental skills, if he wasn’t able to win the important points, he simply wasn’t good enough.
Novak’s losses in the past, especially against bull, not so much against Fed, are still hurting, but I coud Not say he lost and was the better player that day. He wasn’t.
And overall Fed lost more matches against Novak so he wasn’t the better player.

It doesn't make you small to admit that this was faker's most undeserved slam.
 

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It doesn't make you small to admit that this was faker's most undeserved slam.
What is deserved and not is a discussion Impossible to clear out. Absolutely subjective.
 

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What is deserved and not is a discussion Impossible to clear out. Absolutely subjective.

Look pal, whether you admit it or not doesn't matter, the stats say everything one needs to know about this match. People are smart enough to connect the dots, you blocking the entire forum with your posts isn't going to help.

faker beat Fed at Wim 14 and 15 and there he was overall the better player. Here it was totally undeserved. Fed was the better player in sets 1,2,3,4 so this match shouldn't have even gone to a fifth set.
 
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I swear dishonest fakertards are totally shameless with their defenses.
 

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Look pal, whether you admit it or not doesn't matter, the stats say everything one needs to know about this match. People are smart enough to connect the dots, you blocking the entire forum with your posts isn't going to help.

faker beat Fed at Wim 14 and 15 and there he was overall the better player. Here it was totally undeserved. Fed was the better player in sets 1,2,3,4 so this match shouldn't have even gone to a fifth set.
The goal isn’t the stat, the goal is to win the tournament.
Finally we agree. It also doesn’t matter what you think.
I am happy, you don’t . That’s life.
Hope it didn’t affect your real life.
 

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The goal isn’t the stat, the goal is to win the tournament.
Finally we agree. It also doesn’t matter what you think.
I am happy, you don’t . That’s life.
Hope it didn’t affect your real life.

Your complete disdain for stats doesn't change the fact that Fed should've wrapped up this match in 3 sets, max 4. Whether you agree or not doesn't matter.
 
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I swear dishonest fakertards are totally shameless with their defenses.
I try to take caution in my tone, think I’m good with that so far.
Beside Novak winning titles I also would really enjoy to talk with people like you face to face. Think you wouldn’t use such words in front of me. Guess why?
Poor attitude and weakness.
 

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Your complete disdain for stats doesn't change the fact that Fed should've wrapped up this match in 3 sets, max 4. Whether you agree or not doesn't matter.
There is no end with that.
If and should and ......
If Novak served better and his return game was better he could won the match in 3 sets. No one can proof it’s wrong , but this conclusion brings me nothing!
You are disappointed and I respect that. I will no longer put my finger in this wound, that wasn’t my goal, believe me or not.
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There is no end with that.
If and should and ......
If Novak served better and his return game was better he could won the match in 3 sets. No one can proof it’s wrong , but this conclusion brings me nothing!
You are disappointed and I respect that. I will no longer put my finger in this wound, that wasn’t my goal, believe me or not.
Best regards

LOL you don't want to accept Federer was the better player in this match but still lost. That's your headache. The whole world agrees with me including most fakertards so it's ok. :smooch:
 
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It's funny how a few years ago Nadal was considered the strongest. Now as he slips into decline we assign the strongest tag to the one who is still pretty much in his prime. This is the cycle of life. You always look mentally strong in your prime. This will be revised again in the future as Novak starts to exhibit the same frailties all greats show in the end. It's just the way it is. There's no question that Roger has choked frequently, but both Rafa and Novak have capitulated a lot. Capitulate not choke. A different type of mental frailty but a frailty nonetheless. And then there's the ability to bounce back, I suspect there've been few with as much talent in that category as both Roger and Rafa. Novak is yet to show that quality to that degree. Basically nobody is perfect folks. And the script has not been fully written either..
I agree with this. Honestly, I thought Federer didn’t have a prayer before the final, but the way he played in the first set surprised me, even though he lost it. The problem with Federer is that he has put himself in a position to fight for titles so many times and has lost a tonne of finals. That taints his legacy somehow, but at the same reaching those finals and going toe to toe with much younger players is a sign of mental strength, which is in addition to his flair.

It is clear, however, that sometimes he gets nervous when the win is within touching distance. He almost blew it at at the AO last year against Cilic. If I am not mistaken, he did admit that he was already thinking about number 20 as he got closer to the title, but the match was still not yet over. This is happening more as he gets older. I think he has to learn to compartmentalize. He has to learn to focus on the task at a particular moment, instead of thinking about the trophy presentation when the match is still being played.
 
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LOL you don't want to accept Federer was the better player in this match but still lost. That's your headache. The whole world agrees with me including most fakertards so it's ok. :smooch:
he's always the better player according to you....the problem is that the better player usually wins....so Nole was the better player
 
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fuk off, Fed served 26 aces and even more unreturnables. He failed to put in first serve, which was why Djoko even had a chance to recover. One good first serve (which he's done throughout except those moments), BANG, and it's over.

What the fuk is wrong with Djokovic fans? make it up as you go. shameless bunch.

Your man lost... get over it you sore loser
 
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he's always the better player according to you....the problem is that the better player usually wins....so Nole was the better player
I would go a bit further and say not usually , always! I can’t remember a single match where the so called better player loses because the opponent hits so many clearly lucky balls , and win the whole match only because of luck.
 

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he's always the better player according to you....the problem is that the better player usually wins....so Nole was the better player

Faker was the better player in 2015 and marginally better in 2014. Faker was the worse player in USO 15 and way way worse in Wim 19. He won all of them. Fortune smiled at your boy so be grateful.

Looks like fakertards didn't learn anything from their idol's humiliation at RG 13 tripping like a piece of shit on the net. Hopefully that happens again to remind these pricks that karma is a bitch and it spares noone.
 

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Atleast my guy isn't a shirt ripping ape, doesn't bounce the ball a 100 times to stall play on big points and doesn't beg the crowd for applause. Fucking beggar player and beggar fanbase. 10 times worse than dullturds.
 

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Faker was the better player in 2015 and marginally better in 2014. Faker was the worse player in USO 15 and way way worse in Wim 19. He won all of them. Fortune smiled at your boy so be grateful.

Looks like fakertards didn't learn anything from their idol's humiliation at RG 13 tripping like a piece of shit on the net. Hopefully that happens again to remind these pricks that karma is a bitch and it spares noone.
I remember this match very well, it was a great match for tennis fans and also for me.
I could not and will not say Novak was the better player,he wasn’t. He did not bring enough on the court to put bull down.

I try to talk about tennis and not to offend others. I would appreciate it not to be called retarded or prick.
 
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I agree with this. Honestly, I thought Federer didn’t have a prayer before the final, but the way he played in the first set surprised me, even though he lost it. The problem with Federer is that he has put himself in a position to fight for title so many times and has lost a tonne of finals. That taints his legacy somehow, but at the same reaching those finals and going toe to toe with much younger players is a sign of mental strength, which is in addition to his flair.

It is clear, however, that sometimes he gets nervous when the win is within touching distance. He almost blew it at at the AO last year against Cilic. If I am not mistaken, he did admit that he was already thinking about number 20 as he got closer to the title, but the match was still not yet over. This is happening more as gets older. I think he has to learn to compartmentalize. He has to learn to focus on the task at a particular moment, instead of thinking about the trophy presentation when the match is still being played.

You thought Federer didn't have a prayer in finals after how he played against a red-hot Rafa? knowing his game is suited for grass and seeing how Djoker sort of didn't look that impressive vs Agut? My gosh, you federer fans are so harsh on Roger, cut him some slack.

He almost blew it vs Cilic, but he didn't did he? What about when he pulled through vs Roddick in 09 Wimbledon, against Rafa in 07 Wimbledon and more recently when he toppled Nadal in finals of AO a few years ago, i believe nadal was up a break early in 5th set. So much for Roger blowing it then..

I think you guys are too harsh on Roger, to me, there is a simpler explanation here. Roger's game is based on higher risk than Novak and Nadal. When calm, confident, he can produce more winners than UFEs but in pressure situations, he has less margin than Nadal or Novak. It is understandable that Nadal and Djoker's games will be more steady under pressure, most of the time. This is even more of a problem for Roger in his older age as in the past, he relied on defense A LOT more. Back during 04-07, Federer oftentimes relied on defense to make opponents miss in pressure situations, he also played offense, but he used defense more. In his older age, he has adopted a more risky, offensive approach and so he is more susceptible to making errors when nerves are at play. It's tough for him when he faces Novak or Nadal, two all time greats, who have more steady games. The fact that Djokovic made 0 UFE! 0 UFE! in 3 tiebreakers is CRAZY, OUTRAGEOUS. He forced Federer to play risk tennis and Federer couldn't execute. Not that easy to do...
 

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I remember this match very well, it was a great match for tennis fans and also for me.
I could not and will not say Novak was the better player,he wasn’t. He did not bring enough on the court to put bull down.

I try to talk about tennis and not to offend others. I would appreciate it not to be called retarded or prick.

You offended me long time back with your baseless arguments. Don't fall off that high horse, prick!
 

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You offended me long time back with your baseless arguments. Don't fall off that high horse, prick!
Haha i offend you? You poor bastard. You just a clown. Worthless idiot. I tried , but that’s the last post to you shithead.