Is Federer safe for London (WTF)?

[herios]

Tsonga has now overtaken Gasquet.

I like the current crop of top-8 players. Hope they retain their positions
or only swap among themselves.

If so, Fed, Waw, Tsonga and Berdych should make it.

I think it has a high chance of happening.

With loss today, Milos is in deeper trouble. Only person who has
a practical (not mathematical) chance of uprooting one of the 4
above from WTF is Gasquet.

Raonic is not listed anymore for Basel either, so I assume he gave up on his attempt to qualify for WTF.
Honestly, he is not yet a top 10 calibre. If he finishes 11 in the world, I am perfectly content. He can build up on this season and improve from here on.

 

[GameSetAndMath]

Tsonga has now overtaken Gasquet.

I like the current crop of top-8 players. Hope they retain their positions
or only swap among themselves.

If so, Fed, Waw, Tsonga and Berdych should make it.

I think it has a high chance of happening.

With loss today, Milos is in deeper trouble. Only person who has
a practical (not mathematical) chance of uprooting one of the 4
above from WTF is Gasquet.

Raonic is not listed anymore for Basel either, so I assume he gave up on his attempt to qualify for WTF.
Honestly, he is not yet a top 10 calibre. If he finishes 11 in the world, I am perfectly content. He can build up on this season and improve from here on.

It is all Karma. Next year, he may make it. I think you are right, he has given up.
I was little worried about Tsonga as some people in the board were writing that he
was deteriorating. Actually, he still has his quality, he had down time due to injury,
that's all.

Incidentally, Tsonga is not there in the entry list for Basel/Valencia. I believe he
will seek and get a wild card for one of these two. It would be prudent for him to
see wild card in Valencia, as the field is very crowded in Basel with four contenders
(Fed, Berdych, Waw and Gas playing).

 

[isabelle]

Tsonga has now overtaken Gasquet.

I like the current crop of top-8 players. Hope they retain their positions
or only swap among themselves.

If so, Fed, Waw, Tsonga and Berdych should make it.

I think it has a high chance of happening.

With loss today, Milos is in deeper trouble. Only person who has
a practical (not mathematical) chance of uprooting one of the 4
above from WTF is Gasquet.

Raonic is not listed anymore for Basel either, so I assume he gave up on his attempt to qualify for WTF.
Honestly, he is not yet a top 10 calibre. If he finishes 11 in the world, I am perfectly content. He can build up on this season and improve from here on.

It is all Karma. Next year, he may make it. I think you are right, he has given up.
I was little worried about Tsonga as some people in the board were writing that he
was deteriorating. Actually, he still has his quality, he had down time due to injury,
that's all.

Incidentally, Tsonga is not there in the entry list for Basel/Valencia. I believe he
will seek and get a wild card for one of these two. It would be prudent for him to
see wild card in Valencia, as the field is very crowded in Basel with four contenders
(Fed, Berdych, Waw and Gas playing).

I would be surprised if Tsonga played Basel or Valencia, he said that Bercy was a priority this year, he'ld like to win it again. I guess he'll refuse a WC as Nole did it last week

 

[Moxie]

What does it mean that Gasquet just won Moscow? If that adds a full 250 pts. to his total, then that would put him above Wawrinka, Federer and Tsonga, with Fed then at #9 in the race. Can anyone verify if this is correct?

 

[drm025]

What does it mean that Gasquet just won Moscow? If that adds a full 250 pts. to his total, then that would put him above Wawrinka, Federer and Tsonga, with Fed then at #9 in the race. Can anyone verify if this is correct?

The current points from 7-10 are:

Wawrinka - 3150
Federer - 3145
Gasquet - 3120
Tsonga - 3055

Tsonga is the only one not playing this week, so he will have to do really well in Paris. Federer has the advantage of having played the least tournaments so he can add all the points he earns at Basel, whereas Wawrinka and Gasquet already have the maximum number of tournaments and will have to replace a 90-point result with their points from Basel. Since Paris is a mandatory, all 4 of them will add the points they earn, and then the race will be over.

Who knows which of these 3 will make the WTF, but at this point, it looks like Tsonga is the most likely to not qualify.

Federer is actually in the best position of these 4, but it will obviously depend on if he can win some matches at these last 2 tournaments.

 

[GameSetAndMath]

The race is getting crazier; less than 100 points separate a group of four
different players, Fed, Wawrinka, Gasquet and Tsonga.

 

[Kieran]

The race is getting crazier; less than 100 points separate a group of four
different players, Fed, Wawrinka, Gasquet and Tsonga.

In the event of a tie, who gets it? The one who played fewest events? Or the one with the best record in the majors? Or do they add up titles won by each of them in the last 12 months?

 

[Murat Baslamisli]

The race is getting crazier; less than 100 points separate a group of four
different players, Fed, Wawrinka, Gasquet and Tsonga.

In the event of a tie, who gets it? The one who played fewest events? Or the one with the best record in the majors? Or do they add up titles won by each of them in the last 12 months?

Roger gets it...Why, you might ask? Because I effin said so...lease:

 

[Kieran]

The race is getting crazier; less than 100 points separate a group of four
different players, Fed, Wawrinka, Gasquet and Tsonga.

In the event of a tie, who gets it? The one who played fewest events? Or the one with the best record in the majors? Or do they add up titles won by each of them in the last 12 months?

Roger gets it...Why, you might ask? Because I effin said so...lease:

It seems only fair! :laydownlaughing

 

[JesuslookslikeBorg]

The race is getting crazier; less than 100 points separate a group of four
different players, Fed, Wawrinka, Gasquet and Tsonga.

In the event of a tie, who gets it? The one who played fewest events? Or the one with the best record in the majors? Or do they add up titles won by each of them in the last 12 months?

Roger gets it...Why, you might ask? Because I effin said so...lease:

It seems only fair! :laydownlaughing

yes..it is very fair..roger's dressing room at the o2 arena is already being prepared.

:

 

[Kieran]

Just once he remembers which court side seat is his...

 

[NADAL2005RG]

Should go to the player with the least number of World Tour Finals appearances. Its only fair. Compared to the other guys, Federer has least to gain from being in the World Tour Finals. He's already won it.

 

[GameSetAndMath]

The race is getting crazier; less than 100 points separate a group of four
different players, Fed, Wawrinka, Gasquet and Tsonga.

In the event of a tie, who gets it? The one who played fewest events? Or the one with the best record in the majors? Or do they add up titles won by each of them in the last 12 months?

Here are the tiebreaker rules
When two or more players have the same total number of points, ties shall be broken as follows: 1) the most total points from the Grand Slams, ATP World Tour Masters 1000 mandatory tournaments and Barclays ATP World Tour Finals main draws, and if still tied, then, 2) the fewest events played, counting all missed Grand Slams, ATP World Tour Masters 1000 tournaments and Barclays ATP World Tour Finals they could have played (as described under A. above) as if played, and if still tied, then, 3) the highest number of points from one single tournament, then, if needed, the second highest, and so on.

The above paragraph is literally taken from ATP rulebook (and is general rule for
tie breaking in ATP rankings, that are published week to week).

However, when they apply it for eligibility to enter WTF, you should remove all
references to WTF points in the above paragraph (as WTF points will drop for
all players before WTF starts).

Now, can someone crunch the numbers and tell me the ordering between
Federer, Wawrinka, Gasquet, Tsonga as three of these four can only enter.
(I am assuming Berdych will qualify).

I am glad the rules are different from WTA where they do tie breakers based
on last name of player. If they do it in ATP, Wawrinka would be cursing his parents.

 

[NADAL2005RG]

WTA uses last name, that's absurd. Who is running that place, Srdjan Djokovic?

 

[tented]

The race is getting crazier; less than 100 points separate a group of four
different players, Fed, Wawrinka, Gasquet and Tsonga.

Wawrinka - 3150
Federer - 3145
Gasquet - 3120
Tsonga - 3055


Crazy, indeed. One or two matches are going to decide which one becomes an alternate.

 

[Murat Baslamisli]

The race is getting crazier; less than 100 points separate a group of four
different players, Fed, Wawrinka, Gasquet and Tsonga.

Wawrinka - 3150
Federer - 3145
Gasquet - 3120
Tsonga - 3055


Crazy, indeed. One or two matches are going to decide which one becomes an alternate.

One of the most exciting races in years...It's just that I did not expect Roger to be a part of it.:s

 

[herios]

The race is getting crazier; less than 100 points separate a group of four
different players, Fed, Wawrinka, Gasquet and Tsonga.

Wawrinka - 3150
Federer - 3145
Gasquet - 3120
Tsonga - 3055


Crazy, indeed. One or two matches are going to decide which one becomes an alternate.

One of the most exciting races in years...It's just that I did not expect Roger to be a part of it.:s

I think it is a surprise for everybody who follows tennis. From 1 in the world just a year ago to battle in the 6-10 range toe to toe with Gasquet is a long way drop. His back injury surely was a contributor, still is shocking.

 

[NADAL2005RG]

Because Federer lost in the QF of Wimbledon 2010 and 2011, I knew it was a real possibility he'd lose QF (or even earlier) in 2013. The fact that he won it in 2012 didn't change the fact that he could lose at Wimbledon when his opponent goes for broke and catches fire (same applies to most, and that includes Federer now that his retrieving skills are not as sharp as 2009). So I knew it was a real possibility he'd lose a lot of points at Wimbledon. And I knew he could struggle on clay because he is so focused on Wimbledon. The only thing that surprised me was his early exit at the US Open. There is no logic behind Federer losing to Robredo at the US Open.

 

[Xavier G]

I'm an admirer of Roger Federer and his career. I think he'll be alright for the Tour Finals, but the thing with Roger is, he's 32, won everything and been at the top for a decade. He's at an age now where it's to be expected that his form will dip and he will suffer some losses. I'm sure he's realistic himself. Roger has had a rough year by his standards, but we know he loves these Finals and playing indoors. Best of three set matches won't hurt either. It wouldn't surpise me too much if RF has a strong showing at the 02.

 

[GameSetAndMath]

I'm an admirer of Roger Federer and his career. I think he'll be alright for the Tour Finals, but the thing with Roger is, he's 32, won everything and been at the top for a decade. He's at an age now where it's to be expected that his form will dip and he will suffer some losses. I'm sure he's realistic himself. Roger has had a rough year by his standards, but we know he loves these Finals and playing indoors. Best of three set matches won't hurt either. It wouldn't surpise me too much if RF has a strong showing at the 02.

In order to be alright at the Tour Finals, he first needs to make it there.
I am, of course, hoping and wishing he makes it there. There is an element
of truth in what you say. If he makes it there, I think he will probably make
full use of it.

Actually, once he makes it to WTF, it does not matter whether he is
number 3 or number 8. This is because unlike in ordinary tournament, the
seeding does not play a huge role in WTF as it is a round robin tournament.
They just ensure that seeds 1 and 2 are in different group, 3 and 4 are in
different group, 5 and 6 are in different group and 7 and 8 are in different
group. IMHO, if you are not no. 1 or no. 2, it does not matter much as to
what is your exact seeding as far as having an advantage in WTF is concerned.